1 hour ago, robdog said:

judging by those stats, shot accuracy seems to be a big issue for Chelsea

It's not a big issue in particular, i posted those stats to show were round about where we should be, plenty of shots coming from plenty of possession, 1/3rd of those on target. We have had 1 shot on target per game less than Liverpool, so being on target is not the main issue, but actually scoring them is. We hit the woodwork almost every game, so that doesn't help.

6 hours ago, rtwelch said:

The amount of people on here over the last few seasons that pretty much said these exact words - "I don't care if we lose I just want to see the team have a go" or "I don't care if we finish 10th I just want to see some attacking football". Well that's exactly what we have now and suddenly people have changed their minds. The short sightedness is incredible sometimes.

I don't see much attacking football this season, just poncing around with the ball in our half at the pace a fraction above walking football!!

Edited April 26, 20197 yr by chi blue

Sari has a purist and bigoted view of technical tactics which worked at Napoli....................altho they won nothing.

In PL, we have many top-notch coaches throughout, even the bottom clubs - all of them have worked Sarri out cos he has one method only and no plan b/c/d 

So here is why he should go:

1. one technically brilliant but flawed tactical system~
2. holding player can't tackle and is slower than the attackers
3. set piece defending zonal only and ineffective
4. set piece attacking predictable
5. centre-forwards can't deliver the movement/guile/speed/goals required
6. keeper makes low percentage of saves versus shots on target (scientific oddity?)
7. system not designed to get early crosses in as often 1 or no one in the box
8. players have no freedom to change tactics or do stuff off-script
9. our players don't best match his strategy - don't fit so easier to change the coach imv

So get rid - get someone attack minded in who can best use the players we do have and vary the tactics - go short or long - a la Carlo 4-3-3

 

  

90+ points in serie A with Napoli is an achievement. 
It's a country mile better than winning the league cup and managing a Norwegian team. 

In the next decade, no body will remember that.

Yeah, how is that working out for Ole Gunnar Solskjaer?  How did that work out for Darren Moore at West Brom?  Just because you're a legend and know your former club, doesn't make you a good manager.  Why didn't United go for Roy Keane?  Or Steve Bruce?  Former club legends that have managerial experience.  They went of OGS as an interim stop-gap, short term good results and a feel good atmosphere forced them into naming him permanent manager, and things aren't going well.  Maybe he'll turn it around, or maybe the job at hand is beyond his managerial abilities.  
I understand we love our legends.  But I also know how fickle we can be as supporters.  

Actually I didn't name any legend there, so my point is, I will give any of our former player a chance if they first prove somewhere else that they can come here and improve our team.

You got to be kidding me. Arsenal are where they are because Aubameyang and Lacazette have scored 19 and 13 goals, respectively. And then you go on to say you admire Emery because he manages to take Arsenal to the EL semifinals and contention for top 4 despite missing some defenders due to injury. Well, guess what, Chelsea with Sarri have done the same plus we've played a final which we lost to Manchester City on penalties. And all this having Hazard as the top scorer with just 16 goals and a very iffy defence. The lengths you go to defend any other coach for the sake of downplaying Sarri...

Haha, Aubameyang and Lacazette were there last season why didn't they have a great season. Before Aubameyang joined them, they had a far more better and influential player in Sanchez, yet they are now having one of there best season in recent times, so you have no point. And let me remind you that if they had Sarri as a manager and the midfielders were always passing the ball around instead of creating chances for the strikers, they won't have scored all those goals, so your point still don't make a sense for many reasons.
And you are claiming Sarri also got us to the semifinal as well, yeah, he did a great job getting us there because we were playing teams Wolves or Leicester will easily eliminate.
If you are trying to prove that Sarri is a better manager than Emery, just give up right now, because even Google has no facts to back it up!

29 minutes ago, wallosh said:

……. if they first prove somewhere else that they can come here and improve our team.

Which really was my point...….

4 hours ago, wallosh said:

Haha, Aubameyang and Lacazette were there last season why didn't they have a great season. Before Aubameyang joined them, they had a far more better and influential player in Sanchez, yet they are now having one of there best season in recent times, so you have no point. And let me remind you that if they had Sarri as a manager and the midfielders were always passing the ball around instead of creating chances for the strikers, they won't have scored all those goals, so your point still don't make a sense for many reasons.
And you are claiming Sarri also got us to the semifinal as well, yeah, he did a great job getting us there because we were playing teams Wolves or Leicester will easily eliminate.
If you are trying to prove that Sarri is a better manager than Emery, just give up right now, because even Google has no facts to back it up!

I guess you are a gooner in disguise, but I'll still reply to you. According to the stats Coco posted we've created more chances than the arses, that team you love,and all this with Sarri as our coach. But that's it, I'm not replying any more to someone who defends that Solskjaer is a better coach with a better cv, or that Emery is having a better season than us, just embarrassing 

Edited April 26, 20197 yr by RMH

9 hours ago, abramovich said:

Not sure I remember someone not caring about finishing 10th, but 'having a go' isn't something I'd associate with this Sarri's side, if anything, they're very fragile mentally and are having serious confidence issues. Probably because they're struggling to create anything up front and are never sure if they can keep the opponents from  scoring, either. If we were an exciting to watch free scoring side but with some serious issues defensively, you could bring up the 'having a go' argument. As it stands, we're not that at all.

 

Where's all this coming from that were struggling to create anything?

It was sort of the case for about a month in the winter but apart from that we do create a lot of openings but finish badly or mess up the end pass (or hit the woodwork).

Apart from Prague and Cardiff I can't think of any games of late we have struggled at creating.

If we were to sack Sarri we need a manager in place who is playing possession football and likes to create from the back. 

I predict if we get to champions league the board will keep him on board, but I don't think they will offer him a contract renewal. Based off the stories about the board shaking up the technical part of Chelsea, I think next season will be akin to Pellegrini's last season at Man City where they will be preparing the way for the next manager rather than rushing into a decision this summer like what they did with Sarri.

Edited April 27, 20197 yr by Frankie8Lampard

12 hours ago, wallosh said:

17 hours ago, bisright1 said:

90+ points in serie A with Napoli is an achievement. 
It's a country mile better than winning the league cup and managing a Norwegian team. 

In the next decade, no body will remember that.

Well in Napoli they will. More so than Chelsea fans would remember a league cup win. 

15 hours ago, abramovich said:

Not sure I remember someone not caring about finishing 10th, but 'having a go' isn't something I'd associate with this Sarri's side, if anything, they're very fragile mentally and are having serious confidence issues. Probably because they're struggling to create anything up front and are never sure if they can keep the opponents from  scoring, either. If we were an exciting to watch free scoring side but with some serious issues defensively, you could bring up the 'having a go' argument. As it stands, we're not that at all.

I think we are hampered by squad deficiencies all across the pitch.

Since Mourinho moved on we have lost great defenders. Conte papered over that for a season with a formation change yet by his second season teams had worked it out and we didn't have an answer.

We have lost a mobile C/F that can stretch the play, a big loss for me.

In M/F we have been previously successful with two defensive M/Fs and one creative one.

Currently we have Jorginho as the creative one, and not as  good as Cesc or Lampard was.

Kante and another tend to be holding or attacking and again not as clear cut as earlier formations which leads to mental fragility when under attack on who is meant to be where defensively.

Defensively we are weaker, the personnel are just not the greats we previously had though they are not terrible just not great, Luiz's long range passing offsets some of Jorginho's creative weakness.

We certainly need another box to box m/f and one that can side step and shoot well at pace. We don't have that player. 

Any manager in the last two seasons is trying to paper over those cracks..................

 

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

I think we are hampered by squad deficiencies all across the pitch.

Since Mourinho moved on we have lost great defenders. Conte papered over that for a season with a formation change yet by his second season teams had worked it out and we didn't have an answer.

It was when Jose left out defense was at its lowest.

Say what you like about the current bunch but Conte inherited a back four of past it Ivan, 36 year old Terry, Cahill and Azpi. Probably our weakest in 20 years (at that point, it was obviously a good back four in the 2015 title season).

1 minute ago, Argo said:

It was when Jose left out defense was at its lowest.

Say what you like about the current bunch but Conte inherited a back four of past it Ivan, 36 year old Terry, Cahill and Azpi. Probably our weakest in 20 years (at that point, it was obviously a good back four in the 2015 title season).

Agree they got old without adequate replacements. 

3 hours ago, Argo said:

Where's all this coming from that were struggling to create anything?

It was sort of the case for about a month in the winter but apart from that we do create a lot of openings but finish badly or mess up the end pass (or hit the woodwork).

Apart from Prague and Cardiff I can't think of any games of late we have struggled at creating.

Perhaps we have different versions of what creating chances means. For me, it means creating a clear goal scoring opportunity. Messing up the end pass is too broad a definition, you can play like sh*t and have no shots on goal and then say your end pass wasn't working. We also have a number of what I'd call half chances every match, but again, you can't expect to have a high percentage of those turning into goals.

If you watch two best sides in the league at the moment, they create plenty of goalscoring chances every game, and the law of averages says, if you create enough, you're bound to convert some. We don't create even a third of what they do on a regular basis. 

13 minutes ago, abramovich said:

Perhaps we have different versions of what creating chances means. For me, it means creating a clear goal scoring opportunity. Messing up the end pass is too broad a definition, you can play like sh*t and have no shots on goal and then say your end pass wasn't working. We also have a number of what I'd call half chances every match, but again, you can't expect to have a high percentage of those turning into goals.

If you watch two best sides in the league at the moment, they create plenty of goalscoring chances every game, and the law of averages says, if you create enough, you're bound to convert some. We don't create even a third of what they do on a regular basis. 

Yes but at this stage it's unfair to compare to two finished products, one of which is a complete freak of nature the PL has never seen before, even Arsenal's invincibles are uncreative by comparison.

I think in December/January we went full LVGs United and it was like pulling teeth, but since then while we still got a way to go the build up play is a lot faster.

18 hours ago, coco said:

 

Liverpool, City, Spurs, United and Arsenal have all scored more goals than us this season. If anything this table is pretty damning for us.

It reads as if we take pot shots just for the sake of shooting.

It reinforces my opinion of us not knowing how to use the ball affectively and dominating possession for the sake of it.

Yes i can do maths as well. I posted those stats in reply to nibs who said we don't shoot that much, in my next post after i said the problem is we don't score enough goals from the chances we do create.

48 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

It reads as if we take pot shots just for the sake of shooting.

It reinforces my opinion of us not knowing how to use the ball affectively and dominating possession for the sake of it.

I dunno, the stats don't really bear out the part in italics. We don't particularly stand out in that regard, even among the top six:

 

The shooting stat which particularly concerns me is this, the percentage of shots taken from within the six-yard box:

I think this suggests your point in bold is correct. We are incredibly poor at fashioning effective chances when we get the ball into the final third, or around the penalty area.

(Stats from whoscored.com)

We have so few shots inside the box, because we never have anyone in there. Our wingers on both sides like to cut inside, our fullbacks rarely get to the byline to cross. Our midfielders hang on the edge of the box. Everything is so narrow and even when we have 6, 7, 8 players up in an attack, only our striker will actually be in the box. It's like Sarri doesn't know how to coach players to actually attack.

1 hour ago, PloKoon13 said:

I dunno, the stats don't really bear out the part in italics. We don't particularly stand out in that regard, even among the top six:

The second stat sort of helps my argument about the pot shots (sort of) we’re not necessarily shooting from outside the area (though Kovacic seems to have a tradition of ballooning one high and wide at least once a match from 20 yards).

We seem to play about with the ball on the edge of the area a lot, switching play from one side to the other without gaining ground or space and then eventually someone will just have a pop whether the angle or the space is decent or not.

We don’t seem to get players into the box to create options closer to goal so it just because a bit of a hit and hope to justify having the ball in the opposition half for so long.

If we were to sack Sarri we need a manager in place who is playing possession football and likes to create from the back. 

Well, that shouldn't be the priority!

Well in Napoli they will. More so than Chelsea fans would remember a league cup win. 

Mediocre team will celebrate mediocrity!

6 minutes ago, wallosh said:

7 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Well in Napoli they will. More so than Chelsea fans would remember a league cup win. 

Mediocre team will celebrate mediocrity!

You can troll all you like, but klopps achievement in getting Liverpool to 90+ points this year is a great achievement. As was sarris at Napoli. 

To state it was nothing if there is no title is just trolling. 

If Sarri got us to 90+ points and we didn't win the title next year, would you want him sacked?