2 minutes ago, Desailly123 said:

"What do you think that half time team talk would of been like in Jose or Contes reign"

 

Is this the same Jose Mourinho that led us to 16th place in the table and Conte who had a very similar draw last season against Huddersfield?

 

9 shots on target today. NINE. It's not Sarri's fault that we don't get 3 goals from 9 shots on target. And the comment about moving the ball fast? That's literally what Sarri ball is.What possession based football, but we don't move the ball fast enough. But Sarri out!1!1!1

But surely Sarri takes some responsibility when we have so much possession and only manage 9 shots on target? Its all very well having a lot of possession but most of the time we do very little with it. Perhaps we don't have the right players for Sarriball, but we are unlikely to improve the options much in the summer (especially with the ban). I haven't seen much evidence that he has made significant progress with the players that we do have. 

8 minutes ago, Desailly123 said:

"What do you think that half time team talk would of been like in Jose or Contes reign"

 

Is this the same Jose Mourinho that led us to 16th place in the table and Conte who had a very similar draw last season against Huddersfield?

 

9 shots on target today. NINE. It's not Sarri's fault that we don't get 3 goals from 9 shots on target. And the comment about moving the ball fast? That's literally what Sarri ball is.What possession based football, but we don't move the ball fast enough. But Sarri out!1!1!1

But surely Sarri takes some responsibility when we have so much possession and only manage 9 shots on target? Its all very well having a lot of possession but most of the time we do very little with it. Perhaps we don't have the right players for Sarriball, but we are unlikely to improve the options much in the summer (especially with the ban). I haven't seen much evidence that he has made significant progress with the players that we do have. 

 

Edit - Sorry for the accidental double post

Edited April 22, 20197 yr by forbzy

2 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

This is literally your argument for defending Sarri every single time anyone criticised him. Sarri is not the man to rebuild us, look at the signings he’s brought in. He wanted Jorginho and he wanted Higuain and they’ve both been sh*te. Why on Earth should the club trust him with another 7 or 8 signings to find we’ve spent hundreds of millions on more dud players. 

 

In answer to your question, we need a director of football who has a proven track record of signing good players. Then they need to be involved in the selection process of the new manager. If we’re honest - we should be able to attract any manager out there outside of the ones at the likes of Bayern, City, etc.

That's genuinely the equivalent of saying "Pep brought in Nolito and Bravo, why should we trust him with hundreds of millions on more players"

Um, maybe it's because Sarri has a history of good signings and those are just 2 poor ones? 

5 minutes ago, abramovich said:

Except we make awful defensive mistakes all the time. How long does it take to learn how to mark players when defending set pieces? The last time we ourselves scored from a corner was probably months ago. Time and again we've had a chance to stake a claim as a top four side and we failed. Again. And again. And again. Now we can't beat f**king Burnley at home.

?? Gutless, toothless, cluless.

I think it's a lack of leadership in our defence. That second goal was diabolical. Burnley literally player the same style of free kick we do and no one picked up Barnes. The whole point of their routine was to give it to Barnes in that area. Sarri would have known that because we do that exact free kick. But Luiz, Azpi, Christensen, Kepa, clearly no one shouted in that back line. Or Jorginho didn't pick anyone up. 

 

5 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

This is literally your argument for defending Sarri every single time anyone criticised him. Sarri is not the man to rebuild us, look at the signings he’s brought in. He wanted Jorginho and he wanted Higuain and they’ve both been sh*te. Why on Earth should the club trust him with another 7 or 8 signings to find we’ve spent hundreds of millions on more dud players. 

?  

? In answer to your question, we need a director of football who has a proven track record of signing good players. Then they need to be involved in the selection process of the new manager. If we’re honest - we should be able to attract any manager out there outside of the ones at the likes of Bayern, City, etc.

I agree. Sarri shouldn't be making signings. But neither should any other manager we bring in. 

And no, we aren't able to attract any manager. We would be if we had a proper system in place that you and I both propose and if we were shown to trust managers and have a stable squad. But we don't have that. We will have one world class player in our first XI next season...one. And he's a midfielder who scores 5 goals a season max. 

But until then, let's keep the Sarri train running. Because for me it's our most likely option for success whilst Roman sits on his thumbs and waits for an offer to come in.

Edited April 22, 20197 yr by bisright1

Sarri has to ask himself how he wants to survive that pressure. The team is nothing without Kante and Hazard, our football isn't really impressing, especially our defence. 

We don't take points, we don't win games when we have to, we have no proper leadership and motivation.

It's been known that our board is pretty sh*t, we have to refresh everything in our club if we want to build a new top Chelsea team. 

It's Sarri's first season, I always believe that everyone deserves a second chance, give him what he wants and demand from him to fix himself when it's needed. A player like Jorginho can't play every game 90 minutes, I'd prefer to see Bakayoko here then. 2 players for every area from defence to attack. Next season as his final test would be fine for me. 

 

10 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I think Eddie Howe would be a brave and exciting appointment.

But he's won nothing, he's never managed in Europe, let alone latter stages of a cup competition and the backlash against him would start very quickly. In terms of pedigree, it would be a step back from Sarri. 

Eddie Howe would scare the life out of me. The bloke consistently has one of the worst defending teams in the league. We aren't great defensively now, it's scary to think that things would be much worse under Howe.

This team is seasoned bottlers. Every time they have a chance to do something, they bottle it. The manager sets the tone and he’s never won a trophy is all his years of management. I like the guy but he’s made us soft. Seeing Ashley Barnes laugh in Kovacic’s face sums it up. 

We wont make top 4 and we won’t win EL. 

20 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

He’s playing them because of the pressure from the fans/the media and the fact that the alternatives are absolutely hoaching. It’s RLC or Barkley/Kovacic. It’s Odoi or an aging and declining Pedro/Willian. It’s not some vast commitment to youth in my opinion.

I don't buy it, if he was buckling under fan pressure he would have moved Kante aswell.

I think he's started playing league games because he's improved his discipline off the ball.

1 minute ago, forbzy said:

But surely Sarri takes some responsibility when we have so much possession and only manage 9 shots on target? Its all very well having a lot of possession but most of the time we do very little with it. Perhaps we don't have the right players for Sarriball, but we are unlikely to improve the options much in the summer (especially with the ban). I haven't seen much evidence that he has made significant progress with the players that we do have. 

 

Edit - Sorry for the accidental double post

The ban I don't think will last.

 

And of course but Pep and City have games all the time where they struggle to score and completely dominate the game and only score 1. And they have much better forward players than us. The winning comfortably comes up with time.

The actual arrogance of some fans to act like Antonio Conte is a superior manager is laughable too. 

With the options available to replace Sarri, I would rather keep him. There's alternative solutions to just sacking the manager, like appointing a DOF or buying new players. 

Jorginho has been the unfortunate recipient of one of the major weaknesses of Sarri's system, the fullbacks. Jorginho's unable to spread the play wide quickly because of ineffective fullbacks. 

With the amount of chances we've created this season if we had a striker like Icardi or Jovic and a winger like Pepe, we'd be top 3 easily. 

We'll look a completely different team if we bring in a LB/RB, a winger, a backup to Jorginho and a ST. Because if we bring in another new manager we can basically throw away the progress towards attractive football the players have made this season and it'll just be another Conte. 

18 minutes ago, Desailly123 said:

That's genuinely the equivalent of saying "Pep brought in Nolito and Bravo, why should we trust him with hundreds of millions on more players"

Um, maybe it's because Sarri has a history of good signings and those are just 2 poor ones? 

Did Pep say that those two players were key to his philosophy and getting the team to play the way he wants? City also have a director of football

Edited April 22, 20197 yr by EdinburghBlue

He's just not good enough. His game management is awful, he doesn't seem to understand how football in this country works, and I see no progression under him compared to how we were last season.

I agree with everybody on here that says we can't keep hiring and firing coaches, but that doesn't mean we should keep one that is out of his depth. 

Every time we had a chance to gain a lead over our rivals that slipped up he blew it, every time and at least 3 times this season.

If it's so hard for him to win Burnley then we don't need Champions League at all, very simple. This is the man you want, go ahead lets play Europa League every year.

12 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

He's just not good enough. His game management is awful, he doesn't seem to understand how football in this country works, and I see no progression under him compared to how we were last season.

I agree with everybody on here that says we can't keep hiring and firing coaches, but that doesn't mean we should keep one that is out of his depth. 

Spot on

Just an observation. Do you think that when Sarri goes in the megastore for his weekly shop that a member of staff could, just for once, steer him away from the baggy tracksuit section and towards the formal / casual menswear department? Just for a change. My missus is complaining that Sarri is crushing her life long held stereotype of Italians as being a trend-setting, stylish, cultured race of people with his dishevelled, homeless look.

Me personally, I greatly admire his dress sense and also his choice of central midfielders.

2 minutes ago, just said:

Just an observation. Do you think that when Sarri goes in the megastore for his weekly shop that a member of staff could, just for once, steer him away from the baggy tracksuit section and towards the formal / casual menswear department? Just for a change. My missus is complaining that Sarri is crushing her life long held stereotype of Italians as being a trend-setting, stylish, cultured race of people with his dishevelled, homeless look.

Me personally, I greatly admire his dress sense and also his choice of central midfielders.

I don’t know when you went to the megastore last but it’s 99% overpriced Nike tosh. 

Just now, Munkworth said:

I don’t know when you went to the megastore last but it’s 99% overpriced Nike tosh. 

Fair enough. But surely Nike can knock out a stylish Chelsea blazer and tie for our manager? Or perhaps a CFC crested cashmere jumper that he could wear loosely knotted around his neck on these warm spring matchdays?

1 minute ago, just said:

Fair enough. But surely Nike can knock out a stylish Chelsea blazer and tie for our manager? Or perhaps a CFC crested cashmere jumper that he could wear loosely knotted around his neck on these warm spring matchdays?

It’d bankrupt the club the way they mark up their sh*te. 

4 minutes ago, just said:

Just an observation. Do you think that when Sarri goes in the megastore for his weekly shop that a member of staff could, just for once, steer him away from the baggy tracksuit section and towards the formal / casual menswear department? Just for a change. My missus is complaining that Sarri is crushing her life long held stereotype of Italians as being a trend-setting, stylish, cultured race of people with his dishevelled, homeless look.

Me personally, I greatly admire his dress sense and also his choice of central midfielders.

The man turned 60 so he prefers comfort, specially since his cigars got banned. You need to look deeply into his little eyes and only then you'll see sunny Naples and best quality lemonade.

2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

The man turned 60 so he prefers comfort, specially since his cigars got banned. You need to look deeply into his little eyes and only then you'll see sunny Naples and best quality lemonade.

No, no believe me I totally understand. I am around that age myself and thank the wife and my daughter everyday for the gift of elasticated waistband Chinos and Cotton Trader polo shirts with upturned collars that make me the trendy man about town that I am today. Left to my own fashion devices I would be a total Sarri clone, even employing the comb-forward hairstyle and white socks with Black trainers combo.

1 hour ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Did Pep say that those two players were key to his philosophy and getting the team to play the way he wants? City also have a director of football

I can't remember seeing anywhere that Sarri said Higuain was the key to his philosophy, he thinks he's a good player but he's a short-term option and Sarri knows that.

And Jorginho is poor because the rest of the team is poor. The ridiculous notion Premier League fans try to make that Sarriball has been figured out and by man-marking Jorginho you can simply shut down the team. To an extent that's true in the sense that man-marking Jorginho shuts down the team, but that happened all the time in Italy. The difference is Jorginho had Hysaj and Ghoulam who were fast full-backs who he had spread the play to. Jorginho has Emerson/Alonso & Azpi, none of which are good enough. You would see a completely transformed Sarri side if DaSilva and James were the starting fullbacks. 

The problems with Sarri are not new, his stubbornness and his lack of in-game tactical flexibility has always been there. Huge Italian Sarri fans admit that, but given time Sarri transformed Napoli, and no it wasn't perfect at first, in fact if they hadn't had Higuain they'd have probably had a similar season to what we have had. But given time Sarri learns the details of the squad and sees what parts he needs to fit the system.

I just don't think sacking the manager in this case is going to accomplish anything. Especially since there's not an obvious replacement and none of the potential replacements are better managers than Maurizio Sarri. Whether that be Eddie Howe, Steve Holland, Allegri and so on. Someone tell me genuinely, assuming we don't have a transfer ban and we go big on our targets, what's the harm of keeping Sarri for another year? 

....... and he could accessorize better. A scarf casually draped across his shoulders ala Roberto Mancini, or a baseball cap worn at a jaunty angle?

Edited April 22, 20197 yr by just

Season in one photo 

 

3 minutes ago, just said:

....... and he could accessorize better. A scarf casually draped across his shoulders ala Roberto Mancini, or a baseball cap worn at a jaunty angle?

a baseball cap?????? Wash your mouth out, Just! A nice Trilby at a jaunty angle, yes indeed. But a baseball cap is the anti-Christ of fashionable headgear!

Just now, moi said:

a baseball cap?????? Wash your mouth out, Just! A nice Trilby at a jaunty angle, yes indeed. But a baseball cap is the anti-Christ of fashionable headgear!

Moi, me and you both know and understand the fashion statement a smart Trilby can make. Especially one with a striped hat-band. But I think you forget Sarri is having to make an impression with, and alter the fashion perception of, a much younger generation of football players and fans. A generation for whom oversized hoodies and low-slung, beltless, bumcrack jeans are seen as the couture of choice and a sure fire way to impress the ladies. For this reason Sarri has to go with the baseball cap as a cross generational compromise to get the "yoofs" on-board with what he is trying to achieve.

@just I bow to your superb analysis of the sartorial nihilism of the toddlers of today! You should have been a personal fashion consultant for Wayne Rooney!