3 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

No doubt if Mount had an exotic name like Mountinho he would be defended as aggressively as Jorginho is. 

Yet the very exotic names of Reece James and John Terry are/were widely considered world class amoung pretty much every single fan so that alone disproves this theory.

Regarding Mount I think it goes quite far both ways truth be told, some act like he's useless while others act like he has a similar standing to what Hazard did. The truth as usual is somewhere in between.

5 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

It really is amazing the disrespect Mount gets on here. It’s obvious he has underperformed compared to his and our standards this season. But who hasn’t? Barring maybe Thiago Silva and Kepa, every single member of the squad has been below par this season. It is not a problem exclusive to Mount. 

Even when he is underperforming, he’s still important to us. He leads the press so well and when he is absent it is noticeable how lacklustre we are without him doing the pressing. This argument about him only performing against the lower sides is quite frankly ridiculous. He has come up with plenty of high profile goals and assists in games against top opposition. Just because he scored a hat trick against Norwich last season doesn’t lessen the value of the goals he scored. 

Honestly with some of the takes I see on here I’m glad none of you having any say on decisions at the club because we’d be a lot worse off than we are now. No doubt if Mount had an exotic name like Mountinho he would be defended as aggressively as Jorginho is. 

I keep seeing people say Nkunku is coming into replace Mount. I’d be willing to bet that Nkunku and Mount will feature very often in the same team, rather than one featuring over the other. 

Its staggering how much disrespect he gets, he shouldn’t get a free pass just because he came through the academy, but it is annoying how some of our “fans” are so keen for an academy graduate to fail. 

For what it’s worth, I’m convinced this contract stand off ends with him signing a new long term deal. We saw this dance plenty of times with Lampard and Terry over the years, and it always ended in the same way. If we let Mount go I’d have no doubt we as the club would regret it, more than he did in the long run. 

Good post.
Jorginho isn't a fantastic example though as he's one of the few who gets it much worse than Mount. Down to being labeled a c*nt, tw*t etc which is just ridiculous.

12 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

It really is amazing the disrespect Mount gets on here. It’s obvious he has underperformed compared to his and our standards this season. But who hasn’t? Barring maybe Thiago Silva and Kepa, every single member of the squad has been below par this season. It is not a problem exclusive to Mount. 

Even when he is underperforming, he’s still important to us. He leads the press so well and when he is absent it is noticeable how lacklustre we are without him doing the pressing. This argument about him only performing against the lower sides is quite frankly ridiculous. He has come up with plenty of high profile goals and assists in games against top opposition. Just because he scored a hat trick against Norwich last season doesn’t lessen the value of the goals he scored. 

Honestly with some of the takes I see on here I’m glad none of you having any say on decisions at the club because we’d be a lot worse off than we are now. No doubt if Mount had an exotic name like Mountinho he would be defended as aggressively as Jorginho is. 

I keep seeing people say Nkunku is coming into replace Mount. I’d be willing to bet that Nkunku and Mount will feature very often in the same team, rather than one featuring over the other. 

Its staggering how much disrespect he gets, he shouldn’t get a free pass just because he came through the academy, but it is annoying how some of our “fans” are so keen for an academy graduate to fail. 

For what it’s worth, I’m convinced this contract stand off ends with him signing a new long term deal. We saw this dance plenty of times with Lampard and Terry over the years, and it always ended in the same way. If we let Mount go I’d have no doubt we as the club would regret it, more than he did in the long run. 

You've brought up another reason why I will continue to be very critical towards Mount. Ziyech, Pulisic, Havertz, CHO, or any other attacker not named Mount won't ever receive the amount of whataboutism counter arguments. The amount of people that rush to Mount's defence whenever anyone says anything critical towards him you'd think he had Eden Hazard levels of influence. 

"Leads the press well". I am not going to praise a player for doing the bare minimum. Ziyech had some of the best pressing stats in the league. Am I going to find any posts in his thread where fans are defending him because of his press? 

No one is keen for Mount to fail. Some set of fans have a set of standards given what we've been privileged to see at this club, and I for one find it rather distasteful our standards are dropped due to favoritism. 

8 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

You've brought up another reason why I will continue to be very critical towards Mount. Ziyech, Pulisic, Havertz, CHO, or any other attacker not named Mount won't ever receive the amount of whataboutism counter arguments. The amount of people that rush to Mount's defence whenever anyone says anything critical towards him you'd think he had Eden Hazard levels of influence. 

"Leads the press well". I am not going to praise a player for doing the bare minimum. Ziyech had some of the best pressing stats in the league. Am I going to find any posts in his thread where fans are defending him because of his press? 

No one is keen for Mount to fail. Some set of fans have a set of standards given what we've been privileged to see at this club, and I for one find it rather distasteful our standards are dropped due to favoritism. 

I think defence of him is warranted though when he’s the one getting the majority of stick, despite everyone else being as bad if not worse. If we were running away with the league and mount was playing as badly as he is, then yeah by all means I think criticism of him on his own is warranted. The fact that everyone else is underperforming then it strikes me as bizarre and lazy to just single one player out. 

You might not praise him for that. Fine. Plenty do though. If it’s the bare minimum why don’t we press as efficiently when he’s not in the team? If it’s the bare minimum, then the minimum expectation should be that when he’s not playing we press as efficiently as when he is playing. That obviously doesn’t happen. 

Your last paragraph is where the problem lies. You think just because we’ve been successful for the last 20 years we have a right to be successful forever? It doesn’t work like that. No football club on the planet has that right. Mount has been a part of one of the most successful nights in the clubs history, and played a massive part in it as well. Given the chance I’d like to think he will be involved in plenty more. 

2 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

Mount has been a part of one of the most successful nights in the clubs history, and played a massive part in it as well. 

So did Jorginho, and he carried on getting stick even shortly after that night.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

So did Jorginho, and he carried on getting stick even shortly after that night.

I don’t remember that as I wasn’t posting on here frequently back then, so will take your word for it. 

I don’t want to derail the Mount thread, but for what it’s worth my opinion on Jorginho is that he was one of our best performers under Tuchel, and was much better than he was under Sarri and Lamps, and I said as much to another poster ina private message earlier. My opinion now is whilst that he’s been a good player I think his legs have gone and his position is one we should be looking to upgrade on.

4 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

I think defence of him is warranted though when he’s the one getting the majority of stick, despite everyone else being as bad if not worse. If we were running away with the league and mount was playing as badly as he is, then yeah by all means I think criticism of him on his own is warranted. The fact that everyone else is underperforming then it strikes me as bizarre and lazy to just single one player out. 

You might not praise him for that. Fine. Plenty do though. If it’s the bare minimum why don’t we press as efficiently when he’s not in the team? If it’s the bare minimum, then the minimum expectation should be that when he’s not playing we press as efficiently as when he is playing. That obviously doesn’t happen. 

Your last paragraph is where the problem lies. You think just because we’ve been successful for the last 20 years we have a right to be successful forever? It doesn’t work like that. No football club on the planet has that right. Mount has been a part of one of the most successful nights in the clubs history, and played a massive part in it as well. Given the chance I’d like to think he will be involved in plenty more. 

It isn't warranted. At all. This is the difference between you and I.

I put Mount on the same pedestal as Havertz, Ziyech, and Pulisic. They have all been sh*t and I will not defend one or the other. With Mount, it's always, "Well what about player X. They've been sh*t too" when in all reality player X has equally been criticized but isn't in the fan's frame of mind as to avoid or deflect any criticism towards Mount. Willian bloody won POTS twice and people were still critical and wanted him improved on. 

"Plenty do though." This made me laugh mate. Out of curiosity, will I see any posts from you in the Ziyech or Pulisic thread praising them for doing the bare minimum? 

Given the investment this club has spent since our last title win, forgive me in wanting more. Forgive me in expecting more. Forgive me in aspiring for more when we've spent over a billion pounds since our last title win. Our aspirations should match our investment as well as our rich history this past two decades.  Jose Boswingwa was crucial in the club's biggest night in football, yet this didn't stop me realising in order to compete we need to improve on him. 

3 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

It isn't warranted. At all. This is the difference between you and I.

I put Mount on the same pedestal as Havertz, Ziyech, and Pulisic. They have all been sh*t and I will not defend one or the other. With Mount, it's always, "Well what about player X. They've been sh*t too" when in all reality player X has equally been criticized but isn't in the fan's frame of mind as to avoid or deflect any criticism towards Mount. Willian bloody won POTS twice and people were still critical and wanted him improved on. 

"Plenty do though." This made me laugh mate. Out of curiosity, will I see any posts from you in the Ziyech or Pulisic thread praising them for doing the bare minimum? 

Given the investment this club has spent since our last title win, forgive me in wanting more. Forgive me in expecting more. Forgive me in aspiring for more when we've spent over a billion pounds since our last title win. Our aspirations should match our investment as well as our rich history this past two decades.  Jose Boswingwa was crucial in the club's biggest night in football, yet this didn't stop me realising in order to compete we need to improve on him. 

When you compare Bosingwa’s importance in 2012 to Mount’s in 2021 then any point you make is redundant. Wish you’d put that first so I didn’t have to read the rest of that nonsense. 

9 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

It isn't warranted. At all. This is the difference between you and I.

I put Mount on the same pedestal as Havertz, Ziyech, and Pulisic. They have all been sh*t and I will not defend one or the other. With Mount, it's always, "Well what about player X. They've been sh*t too" when in all reality player X has equally been criticized but isn't in the fan's frame of mind as to avoid or deflect any criticism towards Mount. Willian bloody won POTS twice and people were still critical and wanted him improved on. 

"Plenty do though." This made me laugh mate. Out of curiosity, will I see any posts from you in the Ziyech or Pulisic thread praising them for doing the bare minimum? 

Given the investment this club has spent since our last title win, forgive me in wanting more. Forgive me in expecting more. Forgive me in aspiring for more when we've spent over a billion pounds since our last title win. Our aspirations should match our investment as well as our rich history this past two decades.  Jose Boswingwa was crucial in the club's biggest night in football, yet this didn't stop me realising in order to compete we need to improve on him. 

What an absolute load of sh*t, your irrational dislike of Mount is embarrassing. 

6 minutes ago, dkw said:

What an absolute load of sh*t, your irrational dislike of Mount is embarrassing. 

Not going to get into it.

Edited December 21, 20223 yr by OriginalS

4 minutes ago, dkw said:

What an absolute load of sh*t, your irrational dislike of Mount is embarrassing. 

Cheers for sharing your diary.

Looking forward to the day you actually provide some substance of a counter argument instead of fishing for likes with petulant insults. 

9 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

When you compare Bosingwa’s importance in 2012 to Mount’s in 2021 then any point you make is redundant. Wish you’d put that first so I didn’t have to read the rest of that nonsense. 

There you go again. You and your Mount pedestal. 

Jose Bosingwa pocketed Lionel Messi at the Nou Camp and actually made the block that prevented Barcelona from scoring which led to the Torres counter only moments later. He then went on to pocket Frank Ribery at the Allianz for 120 minutes in the final. 

Much like the lovable @dkw, avoid the petulant insults and at least put an effort to prove I'm wrong. 

19 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

There you go again. You and your Mount pedestal. 

Jose Bosingwa pocketed Lionel Messi at the Nou Camp and actually made the block that prevented Barcelona from scoring which led to the Torres counter only moments later. He then went on to pocket Frank Ribery at the Allianz for 120 minutes in the final. 

Much like the lovable @dkw, avoid the petulant insults and at least put an effort to prove I'm wrong. 

You can’t have it both ways. I asked a valid question in my original reply to you which you chose to ignore. I also made valid points regarding Mounts contribution to this squad which again you ignored. 

Your default position is that defence of him is not warranted, and your reluctance to accept or even debate any counter point means it’s pointless even continuing this conversation. You have your views, I have mine. 

4 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

You can’t have it both ways. I asked a valid question in my original reply to you which you chose to ignore. I also made valid points regarding Mounts contribution to this squad which again you ignored. 

Your default position is that defence of him is not warranted, and your reluctance to accept or even debate any counter point means it’s pointless even continuing this conversation. You have your views, I have mine. 

No worries. I'll address them now. 

1. If it’s the bare minimum why don’t we press as efficiently when he’s not in the team?

We do. In fact, based on last season stats Ziyech was our best presser in the opposition half. Under Tuchel, our pressing as a collective was amongst the best in Europe, even with Mount out of the team. Spurs away last season for example. Mount was taken off at half time and our pressing game actually bettered which then led to our 3 goals. You'll regularly see that our pressing game is at its best when Kante is in midfield. 

 

He has come up with plenty of high profile goals and assists in games against top opposition. Just because he scored a hat trick against Norwich last season doesn’t lessen the value of the goals he scored. 

He has 2 goal contributions against the Top 6 in 610 minutes of football. A goal contribution every 300 minutes of football against the better teams in the league. Is this good enough for our attack? And if we are going the route of "Mount isn't an attacker", why are players like Havertz, Pulsiic, and Ziyech not getting the same defence whilst constantly being played out of position? If we are going the "He does well in the Champions League" route, why is Jorginho constantly criticsed when he is one of our better players in Europe. 

This is what I mean about a pedestal. 

10 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

No worries. I'll address them now. 

1. If it’s the bare minimum why don’t we press as efficiently when he’s not in the team?

We do. In fact, based on last season stats Ziyech was our best presser in the opposition half. Under Tuchel, our pressing as a collective was amongst the best in Europe, even with Mount out of the team. Spurs away last season for example. Mount was taken off at half time and our pressing game actually bettered which then led to our 3 goals. You'll regularly see that our pressing game is at its best when Kante is in midfield. 

 

He has come up with plenty of high profile goals and assists in games against top opposition. Just because he scored a hat trick against Norwich last season doesn’t lessen the value of the goals he scored. 

He has 2 goal contributions against the Top 6 in 610 minutes of football. A goal contribution every 300 minutes of football against the better teams in the league. Is this good enough for our attack? And if we are going the route of "Mount isn't an attacker", why are players like Havertz, Pulsiic, and Ziyech not getting the same defence whilst constantly being played out of position? If we are going the "He does well in the Champions League" route, why is Jorginho constantly criticsed when he is one of our better players in Europe. 

This is what I mean about a pedestal. 

I can’t speak for everyone, but I think I’m fair in my criticism and praise for our players. If someone is playing well I’ll praise them, if someone is underperforming I will say so.. as I did in my very first post here today. 

You spoke earlier about the “what about player x” comparisons, yet you’re the one who continues to bring up Ziyech, Pulisic and Havertz and I haven’t mentioned them once. For the record I have given them praise and criticism whenever I have felt it is justified. Whereas it seems you are reluctant to praise Mount even when he does do well, or even acknowledge what he can bring to the team. 

I don’t know how far your stats go back and if they are exclusive to the premier league or not, my gut feeling is just premier league. But he scored against Liverpool in a 1-0 win, scored against United in an FA cup semi, scored at home V Madrid in 2021 and away in 2022, as well as scoring against Porto, and the assist in the final in 2021 against City. I’ve not looked but I’m pretty sure he got assists home and away against Arsenal last year too. 

Last season he scored 11 premier league goals and got 10 assists which isn’t a bad return for an attacking midfielder. I don’t think he will reach those numbers this season unless he has a really good second half of the season. This season I agree he has been underwhelming but to write him off when he has been one of our most consistent performers for the last 3 years is naive in my opinion. Maybe the reason those other players you mentioned don’t get defended as Mount does is because his dip in performances is probably seen as an anomaly, whereas for the others it’s the norm. 

1 minute ago, drjonesy1994 said:

I can’t speak for everyone, but I think I’m fair in my criticism and praise for our players. If someone is playing well I’ll praise them, if someone is underperforming I will say so.. as I did in my very first post here today. 

You spoke earlier about the “what about player x” comparisons, yet you’re the one who continues to bring up Ziyech, Pulisic and Havertz and I haven’t mentioned them once. For the record I have given them praise and criticism whenever I have felt it is justified. Whereas it seems you are reluctant to praise Mount even when he does do well, or even acknowledge what he can bring to the team. 

You have mentioned them. 

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"It really is amazing the disrespect Mount gets on here. It’s obvious he has underperformed compared to his and our standards this season. But who hasn’t?"

Mount seems to be the only attacking player that gets the whataboutism defense argument. Again, will I see any posts from you in the Pulisic, Ziyech, or Havertz thread suggesting they are disrespected? They contributed to our CL win as well given that seems to be your main fall back. 

7 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

I don’t know how far your stats go back and if they are exclusive to the premier league or not, my gut feeling is just premier league. But he scored against Liverpool in a 1-0 win, scored against United in an FA cup semi, scored at home V Madrid in 2021 and away in 2022, as well as scoring against Porto, and the assist in the final in 2021 against City. I’ve not looked but I’m pretty sure he got assists home and away against Arsenal last year too. 
 

The stats I provided were strictly 2022 in the league (the area where we need to improve in....)

Europe I have no question Mount can be a viable asset considering I still find him absolutely crucial against top elite club's midfields. It's the Premier League where I have my gripe in not just him but the majority of our midfield and attack. 1 goal and 1 assist in 600 minutes of football just isn't going to make us competitive and I don't see us playing with #8s any time soon given Potter's history. 

16 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

Last season he scored 11 premier league goals and got 10 assists which isn’t a bad return for an attacking midfielder. I don’t think he will reach those numbers this season unless he has a really good second half of the season. This season I agree he has been underwhelming but to write him off when he has been one of our most consistent performers for the last 3 years is naive in my opinion. Maybe the reason those other players you mentioned don’t get defended as Mount does is because his dip in performances is probably seen as an anomaly, whereas for the others it’s the norm. 

I see far too many similarities with Oscar I'm afraid. Jack of all trades, master of none. The very reason why Oscar was preferred over KDB. 

Strictly utilized for tactical reasons alone and given the state our midfield is in Mount becomes a favorable option to balance it out.  Mount's trajectory has stalled this past year whether you want to admit it or not. 

4 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

You have mentioned them. 

Mount seems to be the only attacking player that gets the whataboutism defense argument. Again, will I see any posts from you in the Pulisic, Ziyech, or Havertz thread suggesting they are disrespected? They contributed to our CL win as well given that seems to be your main fall back. 

The stats I provided were strictly 2022 in the league (the area where we need to improve in....)

Europe I have no question Mount can be a viable asset considering I still find him absolutely crucial against top elite club's midfields. It's the Premier League where I have my gripe in not just him but the majority of our midfield and attack. 1 goal and 1 assist in 600 minutes of football just isn't going to make us competitive and I don't see us playing with #8s any time soon given Potter's history. 

I see far too many similarities with Oscar I'm afraid. Jack of all trades, master of none. The very reason why Oscar was preferred over KDB. 

Strictly utilized for tactical reasons alone and given the state our midfield is in Mount becomes a favorable option to balance it out.  Mount's trajectory has stalled this past year whether you want to admit it or not. 

You keep beating that drum about posts in the other threads, if you’re that arsed go and look for them yourself.  Whether or not I’ve said they’ve been disrespected I don’t know, but I know for a fact I’ve praised them and criticised them when I’ve felt they deserved it. In fact I remember having a similar conversation about Havertz with yourself in his thread. 

I obviously rate him higher than you do. The fact is Mount remains a key player in this squad,  whether you want to admit it or not. 

1 minute ago, drjonesy1994 said:

You keep beating that drum about posts in the other threads, if you’re that arsed go and look for them yourself.  Whether or not I’ve said they’ve been disrespected I don’t know, but I know for a fact I’ve praised them and criticised them when I’ve felt they deserved it. In fact I remember having a similar conversation about Havertz with yourself in his thread. 

 

Oh that's right. You were praising Havertz for "working hard" whilst doing virtually nothing in the attacking end. 

I think our standards for this club, particularly for attackers, differentiate. 

6 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

I obviously rate him higher than you do. The fact is Mount remains a key player in this squad,  whether you want to admit it or not. 

Club may think otherwise. 

If Mount was performing anywhere near as you are suggesting his contract extension would of been settled already. Much like it was for James. 

Next few months will paint a better picture on this hold up. 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

Oh that's right. You were praising Havertz for "working hard" whilst doing virtually nothing in the attacking end. 

I think our standards for this club, particularly for attackers, differentiate. 

Club may think otherwise. 

If Mount was performing anywhere near as you are suggesting his contract extension would of been settled already. Much like it was for James. 

Next few months will paint a better picture on this hold up. 

 

 

That’s funny, because I’ve just read that conversation back and it looks as though I was praising him for scoring 6 goals in 10 starts when he had a run of starts as the main striker towards the back end of the season. Don’t let facts get in the way of your argument though eh 👍🏻

12 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

That’s funny, because I’ve just read that conversation back and it looks as though I was praising him for scoring 6 goals in 10 starts when he had a run of starts as the main striker towards the back end of the season. Don’t let facts get in the way of your argument though eh 👍🏻

Oh that's right. Thanks for the reminder. Apologies I mistaken you for that. 

Funny read though. You were so convinced we would improve with Havertz leading the line, to which I disagreed with you and you yet again fell back on the Champions League final. How is Havertz leading the line fairing now by the way? Same amount of PL goals as public enemy #1 in Jorginho since he first kicked a ball in this league. 

Again, our standards are just completely different. 

Edited December 21, 20223 yr by Sconnie Blue

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Oh that's right. Thanks for the reminder. Apologies I mistaken you for that. 

Funny read though. You were so convinced we would improve with Havertz leading the line, to which I disagreed with you and you yet again fell back on the Champions League final. How is Havertz leading the line fairing now by the way? Same amount of PL goals as public enemy #1 in Jorginho since first kick a ball in this league. 

Again, our standards are just completely different. 

Auba has led the line more often than Havertz this year. On the 4 occasions Havertz has started as the main striker he’s scored in two of those games. Add to that when he came off the bench against West Ham to score the winner as the main striker, and when he scored in the champions league against Salzburg as part of a 2 with Aubameyang. Thanks for asking. 

18 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Oh that's right. Thanks for the reminder. Apologies I mistaken you for that. 

Funny read though. You were so convinced we would improve with Havertz leading the line, to which I disagreed with you and you yet again fell back on the Champions League final. How is Havertz leading the line fairing now by the way? Same amount of PL goals as public enemy #1 in Jorginho since he first kicked a ball in this league. 

Again, our standards are just completely different. 

That was probably me.

I still to this day maintain we (and he) would have been better off giving him a run at number 9 in the 21/22 season as opposed to signing you know who but I accept it's got to the better for both parties to move on point now.

3 hours ago, drjonesy1994 said:

Honestly with some of the takes I see on here I’m glad none of you having any say on decisions at the club because we’d be a lot worse off than we are now. No doubt if Mount had an exotic name like Mountinho he would be defended as aggressively as Jorginho is. 
 

I don't know how to react to this... And honestly, sad that you had this dig on me, it really is quite sad that I'm getting the stick even after I'm trying to argue positively about Mount. I didn't even expect it to be from someone like you, sure I did fight with multiple people in the past but that someone with no prior history of disagreements with me does this kind of spin well it is quite surprising.

I'll just ask this question, Is there any actual evidence of anyone defending "aggressively" Jorginho part from me? If I'm to defend myself I could say that if the hatred on Jorginho wasn't aggressive as the starting point, maybe I wouldn't need to aggressively defend Jorginho. Maybe if the attacks on some player weren't so aggressive, Sindre would have still been a part of this forum.

You might get a hundred hearts for what you said, and congrats and all the best, but this broke my heart and desire of being here. I never cared how exotic a player's name is or the perception of it, I actually think that the name George is much better than Jorginho but I'm not really sure if that's the equivalent either.

16 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

Auba has led the line more often than Havertz this year. On the 4 occasions Havertz has started as the main striker he’s scored in two of those games. Add to that when he came off the bench against West Ham to score the winner as the main striker, and when he scored in the champions league against Salzburg as part of a 2 with Aubameyang. Thanks for asking. 

I really don't care about Aubameyang as my argument is that Havertz isn't good enough for this club. Aubemeyang I hope we terminate his contract if things continue. 

 

12 minutes ago, Argo said:

That was probably me.

I still to this day maintain we (and he) would have been better off giving him a run at number 9 in the 21/22 season as opposed to signing you know who but I accept it's got to the better for both parties to move on point now.

The inconsistency argument would of still been raised. People want to point at Chilwell and James being out, along with injuries to our midfield, but this didn't cause Havertz, Mount, CHO, Ziyech, etc to be inconsistent up top. We created the third most chances in the league whilst being one of the worst converting sides in the league. 

That being said, we would be in a hell of a better position now had we bought Tchouameni instead of Lukaku. 

9 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I’m assuming this is aimed at me so when insulting someone please have the decency to at least @ them. 
 

I criticize players as I see fit. Mount hasn’t been good for almost a year now and he is supposedly our talisman. To add insult to injury, there’s speculation he wants to earn as much as Reece James when it’s completely unwarranted. Mount isn’t some special case either. I’ve been equally critical towards Havertz. 
 

Chelsea fans, more than any other set of fans, have a tendency to hold on to past events to sway their perception. We saw it with Oscar which bought him an extra 2 seasons because of his ‘Juventus goals’. We saw it with Ruben which bought him half a decade because of his performance against Europa league opposition. And now we are seeing it with Mount where I’ve now seen about 300 times people using that night in Porto as justification along with stat padding against bottom half clubs. 

I’m still waiting for your response by the way where you claimed I said we don’t need a midfield that can defend. 

Aren't you the one who keep saying that we should sign Enzo.

With Enzo this is our midfield 

Enzo, Kova, Ruben, probably jorgi