I think Trossard would be a good move.

I think Mount has been great at times though he needs to want to stay here if not sell if a decent offer comes in  and wish him the best. 

Always think don't force players to stay if they want out, though a reasonable fee is a must in these FFP times,

I agree Gallager is still a wait and see for me. 

Trossard would be such a reactionary signing imo. 

Trossard is a good player, but is he a starter at Chelsea? It's going to be another extortion type of deal if we sign him, for 50-60M we should be looking into other options. We have no luck getting rid of players either ( got rid of 1 player we should have kept), add another player to the over loaded roster will only create more problems, unless he's a true elite player.

17 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Trossard is a good player, but is he a starter at Chelsea? It's going to be another extortion type of deal if we sign him, for 50-60M we should be looking into other options. We have no luck getting rid of players either ( got rid of 1 player we should have kept), add another player to the over loaded roster will only create more problems, unless he's a true elite player.

Is he thought? He is having a very good last season of his contract, playing for one big final contract. Reminds you of any one? A closer look at his stats of 25 g & 13 a in 115 league appearances shows he is an average winger. I wouldn’t go near him as he is at 28yrs already peaked, another LW who doesn’t solve our problems. Spending £100m on Sterling & Trossard who are are around the same age for one role is just insane, & typical Chelsea.

When thinking about Mount I can't help but thinking about an idea Tuchel brought to us: versatility. We have a bunch of versatile players...a follow-up thought is are these versatile players jack of all trades but masters of none? Kai is the other example of a versatile player. Another follow-up thought is about the best teams in the world and the best players in them: Kevin DeBruyne, Mo Salah, Virgil Van Dijk, Lewandowski...are they versatile or just damn good in what they do? 

When we are aspiring to be at the very peak, is versatility the key? I don't know.. 

22 hours ago, evissy said:

When thinking about Mount I can't help but thinking about an idea Tuchel brought to us: versatility. We have a bunch of versatile players...a follow-up thought is are these versatile players jack of all trades but masters of none? Kai is the other example of a versatile player. Another follow-up thought is about the best teams in the world and the best players in them: Kevin DeBruyne, Mo Salah, Virgil Van Dijk, Lewandowski...are they versatile or just damn good in what they do? 

When we are aspiring to be at the very peak, is versatility the key? I don't know.. 

Being versatile is a very good trait because you can play multiple role for your team or even different role in the same game. 

However in the end of the day, versatility is just another skillset. What matter is your overall skillset. 

Most great player are versatile though because they usually have massive skillset hence they can do multiple stuff. 

 

Edited December 19, 20223 yr by Bob stark

On 28/11/2022 at 11:29, RIP Mourinho said:

I like to come on here and see who says Mount should be sold so i can make note of who has absolutely horrendous football knowledge. 

The £200k p/w rumour is bs too as confirmed by Simon Johnson. CLub offered FAR less basic, the £200k is sensationalised with a number of unachievable add ons to get to that figure. 

Do you think he would sign for less than £200k p/w? I don't so I would hope he's already been offered that by the club. My gutfeeling is that he's been given a very good offer though and rejected it so at least at the moment I am not as optimistic about Mason extending as some.

Latest I heard was that it's a tense situation and also some chatter about him wanting to at least earn as much as James got with his new deal so i'm sure that's where it's stalled.

Another little thing is that Mount really wants to play as an 8. That's what he sees himself as but I don't think Potter have ever used (at least not over time) a system with 8s so perhaps Mount is aware of that as well.

2 hours ago, OriginalS said:

Do you think he would sign for less than £200k p/w? I don't so I would hope he's already been offered that by the club. My gutfeeling is that he's been given a very good offer though and rejected it so at least at the moment I am not as optimistic about Mason extending as some.

Latest I heard was that it's a tense situation and also some chatter about him wanting to at least earn as much as James got with his new deal so i'm sure that's where it's stalled.

Another little thing is that Mount really wants to play as an 8. That's what he sees himself as but I don't think Potter have ever used (at least not over time) a system with 8s so perhaps Mount is aware of that as well.

Not sure Mount has any leverage here. We suffer as a team when James is out and he is arguably Top 1-2 right backs in the world. Mount is a player that's already been improved on (Nkunku) and as you brought up we hardly ever play with #8s. Not to mention we have both Gallagher and Carney waiting for opportunities who both offer a similar skill set. 

Interesting game of chicken he is playing as the only club linked (Liverpool) will be utilising their funds for Bellingham or Enzo. 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 Mount is a player that's already been improved on (Nkunku) a

Based on what?

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Based on what?

Based on Mount being a very average footballer I'm guessing 

24 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Based on Mount being a very average footballer I'm guessing 

Whatever your opinion on Mount, we haven't seen Nkunku in a Chelsea shirt yet. He may be brilliant, but he could equally end up being a flop. I don't think you can call any player an upgrade until we have seen how they play for us. 

14 minutes ago, forbzy said:

we haven't seen Nkunku in a Chelsea shirt yet. 

Have the club announced his signing? I’m very much an only believe it’s done when he’s on the website (and not called Robinho). 

On 18/12/2022 at 09:28, evissy said:

When thinking about Mount I can't help but thinking about an idea Tuchel brought to us: versatility. We have a bunch of versatile players...a follow-up thought is are these versatile players jack of all trades but masters of none? Kai is the other example of a versatile player. Another follow-up thought is about the best teams in the world and the best players in them: Kevin DeBruyne, Mo Salah, Virgil Van Dijk, Lewandowski...are they versatile or just damn good in what they do? 

When we are aspiring to be at the very peak, is versatility the key? I don't know.. 

I'm convinced that the best teams simply have their players performing at their individual role in the best possible way, a fully drilled team where everyone knows their role and what to expect from each other should win against a team where more than a few players are constantly expected to adapt and to be versatile. Most of the players that are given a more free role are basically the ones that are expected to do a key role with the ball, Messi walks around more than half the time because others do the extra leg work but once he gets the ball he can solve a match, in a similar way others have had that freedom, KDB is a great example of that as well as he's free to read the game and roam a lot because he's just that good.

With that said I want to argue that even when we won the CL with Tuchel, it wasn't about being versatile when all said and done;
Mount was our engine as one of the best pressing players out there, that's what he's amazing at and that's what Tuchel wanted from him, press and win the ball back and make it difficult for the opposition team to organize an attack. Mount does offer that high level press and intensity throughout the match, even if it is a more specific thing it's still proven that if he's used correctly that he can make his mark on any given match, be it against Real Madrid or Man City, where he is best at, you have a difficult time finding someone that does what he does, better than him.

1 hour ago, Munkworth said:

Have the club announced his signing? I’m very much an only believe it’s done when he’s on the website (and not called Robinho). 

Nothing yet. And absolutely the supposed deal could still fall through. Yet he is still apparently an upgrade on Mount.

5 hours ago, forbzy said:

Whatever your opinion on Mount, we haven't seen Nkunku in a Chelsea shirt yet. He may be brilliant, but he could equally end up being a flop. I don't think you can call any player an upgrade until we have seen how they play for us. 

Good point. I think Werner was the leading goalscorer in europe....up until he joined us.

2 hours ago, forbzy said:

Nothing yet. And absolutely the supposed deal could still fall through. Yet he is still apparently an upgrade on Mount.

Yep, this guy. Can't wait to see an upgrade. 

Mount's form has been poor, agreed, mainly becuase i don't think he's had a rest in 4 years and is used anywhere on the pitch. But he is still Chelsea and has a huge amount to offer in any system.

Fitness, energy and confidence. Thsi is what he needs right now, oh and a bit of tolerance i suppose. He's got the skill and ability in spades.

 

Saying that Nkunku is an upgrade over Mount make very little sense. 

It is like saying Haaland is an improvement over KDB. 

42 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Saying that Nkunku is an upgrade over Mount make very little sense. 

It is like saying Haaland is an improvement over KDB. 

The bloke has a few of these dramatic posts he chucks about the platform trying to look edgy with his horrific take on football. Its popular to hate on Mount at the moment, they'll create excuses when he wins POTY again.

13 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Yep, this guy. Can't wait to see an upgrade. 

Mount's form has been poor, agreed, mainly becuase i don't think he's had a rest in 4 years and is used anywhere on the pitch. But he is still Chelsea and has a huge amount to offer in any system.

Fitness, energy and confidence. Thsi is what he needs right now, oh and a bit of tolerance i suppose. He's got the skill and ability in spades.

 

Not aimed at you but it's hard to take Porto21 rolled out as a defense of a player seriously given the treatment of a certain player in that lineup of that night.

Edited December 21, 20223 yr by Argo

16 hours ago, Gol15 said:

I'm convinced that the best teams simply have their players performing at their individual role in the best possible way, a fully drilled team where everyone knows their role and what to expect from each other should win against a team where more than a few players are constantly expected to adapt and to be versatile. Most of the players that are given a more free role are basically the ones that are expected to do a key role with the ball, Messi walks around more than half the time because others do the extra leg work but once he gets the ball he can solve a match, in a similar way others have had that freedom, KDB is a great example of that as well as he's free to read the game and roam a lot because he's just that good.

With that said I want to argue that even when we won the CL with Tuchel, it wasn't about being versatile when all said and done;
Mount was our engine as one of the best pressing players out there, that's what he's amazing at and that's what Tuchel wanted from him, press and win the ball back and make it difficult for the opposition team to organize an attack. Mount does offer that high level press and intensity throughout the match, even if it is a more specific thing it's still proven that if he's used correctly that he can make his mark on any given match, be it against Real Madrid or Man City, where he is best at, you have a difficult time finding someone that does what he does, better than him.

Is today's Mount willing to play like that? I am not sure.

Maybe it's only me but I felt like his desire and passion isn't the same this season and even parts of last season compared to the CL winning campaign. Maybe he is just tired of playing way too many games, in that case it's not him that should be blamed.

I also suspect that Mount thinks of himself as an elite-level footballing talent in the league of Hazard, Neymar etc. which he is simply not and never will be.

19 hours ago, forbzy said:

Whatever your opinion on Mount, we haven't seen Nkunku in a Chelsea shirt yet. He may be brilliant, but he could equally end up being a flop. I don't think you can call any player an upgrade until we have seen how they play for us. 

No we haven't but on the eye test he does look a much better player, although they are different types of player, surely any time you buy a player the club are under the assumption they're getting an upgrade but yeah we'll have to see.

wow mount has one bad season after been pos 2 times and the stick he gets is crazy.

5 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The bloke has a few of these dramatic posts he chucks about the platform trying to look edgy with his horrific take on football. Its popular to hate on Mount at the moment, they'll create excuses when he wins POTY again.

I mean you can dislike Mount but it make no sense comparing Nkunku to mount. If we sign kdb or even Madison. Then you can have a debate. 

 

 

5 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The bloke has a few of these dramatic posts he chucks about the platform trying to look edgy with his horrific take on football. It’s popular to hate on Mount at the moment, they'll create excuses when he wins POTY again.

I’m assuming this is aimed at me so when insulting someone please have the decency to at least @ them. 
 

I criticize players as I see fit. Mount hasn’t been good for almost a year now and he is supposedly our talisman. To add insult to injury, there’s speculation he wants to earn as much as Reece James when it’s completely unwarranted. Mount isn’t some special case either. I’ve been equally critical towards Havertz. 
 

Chelsea fans, more than any other set of fans, have a tendency to hold on to past events to sway their perception. We saw it with Oscar which bought him an extra 2 seasons because of his ‘Juventus goals’. We saw it with Ruben which bought him half a decade because of his performance against Europa league opposition. And now we are seeing it with Mount where I’ve now seen about 300 times people using that night in Porto as justification along with stat padding against bottom half clubs. 

44 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I mean you can dislike Mount but it make no sense comparing Nkunku to mount. If we sign kdb or even Madison. Then you can have a debate. 

 

 

I’m still waiting for your response by the way where you claimed I said we don’t need a midfield that can defend. 

It really is amazing the disrespect Mount gets on here. It’s obvious he has underperformed compared to his and our standards this season. But who hasn’t? Barring maybe Thiago Silva and Kepa, every single member of the squad has been below par this season. It is not a problem exclusive to Mount. 

Even when he is underperforming, he’s still important to us. He leads the press so well and when he is absent it is noticeable how lacklustre we are without him doing the pressing. This argument about him only performing against the lower sides is quite frankly ridiculous. He has come up with plenty of high profile goals and assists in games against top opposition. Just because he scored a hat trick against Norwich last season doesn’t lessen the value of the goals he scored. 

Honestly with some of the takes I see on here I’m glad none of you having any say on decisions at the club because we’d be a lot worse off than we are now. No doubt if Mount had an exotic name like Mountinho he would be defended as aggressively as Jorginho is. 

I keep seeing people say Nkunku is coming into replace Mount. I’d be willing to bet that Nkunku and Mount will feature very often in the same team, rather than one featuring over the other. 

Its staggering how much disrespect he gets, he shouldn’t get a free pass just because he came through the academy, but it is annoying how some of our “fans” are so keen for an academy graduate to fail. 

For what it’s worth, I’m convinced this contract stand off ends with him signing a new long term deal. We saw this dance plenty of times with Lampard and Terry over the years, and it always ended in the same way. If we let Mount go I’d have no doubt we as the club would regret it, more than he did in the long run.