There's no integrity in this proposal to complete the season with this nonsensical version of Premier League.  

the desperation to satisfy broadcasters and hang on to sponsorship money is making a mockery of our game.

I don't know any football fan who wants the season to restart , I'll always love our club but I'm afraid the game  stinks, from the Qatar World Cup to this disgraceful attempt to complete a season that will always be remembered for a time when the nation was overcome by a deadly virus , . Finish it, show some balls and moral fibre.

And what do the authorities think will happen if Liverpool win the title during the restarted season ?

do they think fans will celebrate their first title in 30 years by sitting quietly at home supping a pint ? 

I can see thousands on the streets and if the old bill have to get involved there's going to be mass disorder. It won't be their fault though.

incidentally,  auto correct changed my " supping a beer " to " dipping a beer" ! 

Edited May 2, 20206 yr by The Rising Sun
Correction

42 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

do they think fans will celebrate their first title in 30 years by sitting quietly at home supping a pint ? 

 

No they'll go straight round the players houses and burgle them.

1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:

There's no integrity in this proposal to complete the season with this nonsensical version of Premier League.  

the desperation to satisfy broadcasters and hang on to sponsorship money is making a mockery of our game.

I don't know any football fan who wants the season to restart , I'll always love our club but I'm afraid the game  stinks, from the Qatar World Cup to this disgraceful attempt to complete a season that will always be remembered for a time when the nation was overcome by a deadly virus , . Finish it, show some balls and moral fibre.

You're spot on, there is no integrity with the Premier League's proposal. I'd love to know what they mean by integrity. I suspect it means fulfilling obligations to broadcasters, sponsors suppliers rather than to fans, key workers and the health of the nation.

If we assume that the biggest sports in the U.K. are football, golf, rugby (both codes), cricket and motor sport and if one e.g. football starts up, others will wish to start-up and has been mentioned on several occasions, taking testing kit and resources away from key staff. I'm sure that everyone on this forum is either or a key worker or knows someone who is. I can think of four in my family. If I still worked, I would be deemed as a worker.

Many businesses wish to start up and they argue that by doing so will benefit the economy. If football does start up what benefit will be there to the economy? If people want new shirts they can buy them online. Pubs won't be open and a lot depend on people going to them to watch games so they'll miss out. If games are played at neutral venues, shops and cafes near where games are normally play won't benefit. Those people who have cancelled subscriptions to Sky, BT etc to watch matches at home may not sign-up again as they can't afford to. More important things to spend money.

So there is no integrity, no economic benefit and no consideration to health and safety. Well done football, showing that you are out of touch with reality.

27 minutes ago, Boyne said:

Many businesses wish to start up and they argue that by doing so will benefit the economy. If football does start up what benefit will be there to the economy? 

Football pumps billions through tax which in turn goes a long way to keep the NHS running and unemployed families fed. Each and every pro club employ thousands of workers who live by the paycheck, there's only so long any club (even one with resources like ours) can pay them with football at a complete standstill.

What has got lost in the whole restart dont restart discussion is it won't actually be the big cats and footballers that will truly suffer (in terms of to the point of poverty) in the grand scheme of things, they will be out of pocket and missing out on crucial parts of their career respectively but still have enough money to live on, it will be the average guy who's on the checkout at club megastore's skipping meals so rents paid and his daughter's fed that will truly be feeling the pinch.

Edited May 2, 20206 yr by Argo

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

Football pumps billions through tax which in turn goes a long way to keep the NHS running and unemployed families fed. Each and every club empty thousands of workers who live by the paycheck, there's only so long any club (even one with resources like ours) can pay them with football at a complete standstill.

What has got lost in the whole restart dont restart discussion is it won't actually be the big cats and footballers that will truly suffer in the grand scheme of things, they will be out of pocket and missing out on crucial parts of their career respectively but still have enough money to live on, it will be the average guy who's on the checkout at club megastore's skipping meals so rents paid and his daughter's fed that will truly be feeling the pinch.

True, football does pump money back into the economy through taxes but then so does every business and individual. Sadly there will be employees of clubs who will suffer but that is the same for every business. My point is that there are far more important businesses than football. If football does start up before other more important businesses what would be the justification? 

13 minutes ago, Boyne said:

True, football does pump money back into the economy through taxes but then so does every business and individual. Sadly there will be employees of clubs who will suffer but that is the same for every business. My point is that there are far more important businesses than football. If football does start up before other more important businesses what would be the justification? 

Ofcourse but in general society has to find a way to coexist with the virus because if we don't the virus will soon become the least of our worries. I don't envy whoever tasked with finding that balancing act but doing so is the single most crucial move that will be made for a long time in my opinion.

That includes not just footy but all sports, take out the taxes they all provide and the country and by extension health services and families incomes suffer.

By August most things will be back open again in as much of a capacity as humanly possible because in short the alternative is unthinkable for the long term sustainability of the country's health.

3 minutes ago, Argo said:

Ofcourse but in general society has to find a way to coexist with the virus because if we don't the virus will soon become the least of our worries. I don't envy whoever tasked with finding that balancing act but doing so is the single most crucial move that will be made for a long time in my opinion.

That includes not just footy but all sports, take out the taxes they all provide and the country and by extension health services and families incomes suffer.

By August most things will be back open again in as much of a capacity as humanly possible because in short the alternative is unthinkable for the long term sustainability of the country's health.

The majority of the tax money that the government collect through football comes from Sky and BT subscribers. So if people unsubscribe basically all that money remains in the subscribers bank account, to spend on whatever they wish. Seems a good deal to me, cut out greedy football players and HMRC all together.

17 hours ago, Boyne said:

You're right. People will gather around venues in the hope of seeing players. Not what the police want. They have enough on their plate already.

F1 has in a lot of ways become like football. It's very money driven and a lot of the fans of F1 can't afford to go or feel distant from the drivers. One thing I like about going to the Goodwood Revival is not only can you get up close to the cars and bikes you can, if you're lucky, meet the drivers and riders and have a chat and take photos. Couldn't do that with F1.

Comparing modern day drivers and riders to those of years gone by is like comparing modern day footballers to those of past times. Lewis Hamilton or Jim Clark; Rossi or Sheene; Pele or Messi.

Goodwood sounds like something I'd like to do. My dad used to take me to the Isle of Man to watch the TT races. Bikes and football were his favourite things back then and he used to go on about good John Surtees was. He had graduated to F1 by then so I never got to see him ride. As for the comparison game, I subscribe to the Fergie view that great players could play in any era. I don't see why that couldn't be said of F1 drivers too.

1 hour ago, Stretford Ender said:

Goodwood sounds like something I'd like to do. My dad used to take me to the Isle of Man to watch the TT races. Bikes and football were his favourite things back then and he used to go on about good John Surtees was. He had graduated to F1 by then so I never got to see him ride. As for the comparison game, I subscribe to the Fergie view that great players could play in any era. I don't see why that couldn't be said of F1 drivers too.

Goodwood festival of speed and Goodwood Revival are great days out, I live  2 miles from Goodwood and can definitely recommend, make a weekend of it, Fri/sat/sun.

Former Chelsea doctor Eva Carneiro reveals how footballers are vulnerable to coronavirus

 

https://www.givemesport.com/1554721-former-chelsea-doctor-eva-carneiro-reveals-how-footballers-are-vulnerable-to-coronavirus

 

Lampard talking sense, as always.

I wonder if other clubs will follow Brighton's stance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52517532

Playing the remaining Premier League fixtures at neutral venues has the "potential to have a material effect on the integrity of the competition", says Brighton's chief executive Paul Barber.

On Friday, top-flight clubs were told on a video conference call that neutral venues will be the only way to complete the season.

"Up to 10 stadiums" would be used to resume the 2019-20 campaign.

But Barber says his club are "not in favour" of the proposal.

"Clearly, we must all be prepared to accept some compromises. We fully appreciate why playing behind closed doors is very likely to be a necessary compromise to play our remaining games while continuing to fully support the government's efforts to contain the spread of coronavirus," he said.

"But at this critical point in the season, playing matches in neutral venues has, in our view, potential to have a material effect on the integrity of the competition."

• No-one is suggesting we will play now, says Saints chief executive

The Premier League has been suspended since 13 March because of the coronavirus pandemic but all clubs are committed to playing the 92 remaining fixtures of the 2019-20 season.

A major factor in the decision to use neutral venues is it try to reduce any chance of fans congregating, and the selected grounds will be largely based on a rating from the police and the Sports Grounds Safety Authority.

Not all of the proposed eight to 10 neutral venues will necessarily be Premier League grounds, although the vast majority will be.

Brighton are 15th in the league, two points above the relegation zone, with nine games left to play - including home fixtures against Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool and Manchester City.

"Five of our nine remaining matches [are] due to be played at the Amex - all five matches are very difficult but four are against some of the biggest clubs in European football," Barber added.

"The disadvantages of us not playing the league's top teams in our home stadium and in familiar surroundings, even with 27,000 Albion fans very unlikely to be present at the Amex, are very obvious.

"Clearly, we must accept there may also be some benefit from playing our remaining four away matches at neutral venues but the fixture list simply isn't equally balanced at this stage of the season, and we didn't play our first 29 matches of the season in this way. So, in our opinion, one thing doesn't cancel out the other."

I've been weighing the pros and cons of this for some time now and I've finally come to the conclusion that Liverpool winning the league is too important, I say we restart it ASAP and finish it as soon as Liverpool win the league. 

22 minutes ago, Slojo said:

I've been weighing the pros and cons of this for some time now and I've finally come to the conclusion that Liverpool winning the league is too important, I say we restart it ASAP and finish it as soon as Liverpool win the league. 

There's rumours finishing it in Perth now is an option

Even as someone who's preference is to end it when safe i find this ridiculous, however i can see the player's actually agreeing to it, what better way to mentally escape this nightmare than a month in the country that's almost killed the virus? 

10 hours ago, Slojo said:

I've been weighing the pros and cons of this for some time now and I've finally come to the conclusion that Liverpool winning the league is too important, I say we restart it ASAP and finish it as soon as Liverpool win the league. 

Why is it too important?

Edited May 4, 20206 yr by dkw

10 hours ago, Argo said:

There's rumours finishing it in Perth now is an option

Even as someone who's preference is to end it when safe i find this ridiculous, however i can see the player's actually agreeing to it, what better way to mentally escape this nightmare than a month in the country that's almost killed the virus? 

Great idea, lets take the potential for the virus to spread to a city that doesn't have the virus.

4 minutes ago, dkw said:

Why is it too important?

I'm assuming sarcasm...

30 minutes ago, bluedave said:

I'm assuming sarcasm...

I`m hoping so.

On 02/05/2020 at 12:02, Argo said:

That includes not just footy but all sports, take out the taxes they all provide and the country and by extension health services and families incomes suffer.

The vast bulk of the salaries of top  professional sport goes to the "talent", and the players are still being paid, according to all reports, so they will still be paying the minimal amounts of tax that their accountants can manage to get away with.

So the possibility of playing next season behind closed doors. With restrictions about crowds looking like they could be in for sometime it doesn't surprise me that the season or possibly part of it will be played without fans. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52528124

Football Association chairman Greg Clarke has said it is hard to see fans returning to matches "any time soon".

If the Premier League and Football League resume then those matches will be played behind closed doors.

The Premier League are also preparing for the possibility of playing the 2020-21 season without fans.

"The reality is that we just don't know how things are going to pan out," Clarke wrote in a letter to the FA governing council.

"But with social distancing in place for some time to come we do face substantial changes to the whole football ecosystem.

"For example it's hard to foresee crowds of fans - who are the lifeblood of the game - returning to matches any time soon."

Clarke said the FA's executive team has been "building out different scenarios that we might potentially face as a result of the pandemic."

He also warned a budget cut of £75m will be "sensible" this year.

"In a worst-case scenario, this would be necessary for the next four years to offset a £300m deficit," he added.

"Clearly that will impact many of our plans as every area of the game will be touched and projects that we all value will be affected."

'Clubs rebelling against neutral stadiums'

Top-flight clubs have been told that using up to 10 neutral stadiums will be the only way to complete the season.

Brighton say they are "not in favour" of using neutral venues because it may affect the "integrity" of the league.

Clubs near the bottom of the table feel it is unfair to play in such different conditions when at risk of relegation.

A growing number of Premier League clubs are open to playing the remaining fixtures at neutral venues but with the threat of relegation removed.

The BBC has learned that the Premier League fear between six or seven clubs are opposed to neutral stadiums.

But there is also a sense that within that group there are disagreements over how they want the season to end.

What next?

Prime Minister Boris Johnson will reveal his "roadmap" out of lockdown on Sunday and that means that the Premier League's next meeting will be delayed until next week.

The Premier League has been suspended since 13 March because of the coronavirus pandemic but all clubs are committed to playing the 92 remaining fixtures of the 2019-20 season if and when safe to do so.

End the season. Give Liverpool the title. relegate no one. Promote Leeds and West Brom. Cancel the league cup. Relegate 4 next season and promote 2.

It's been the most sensible solution for months. Why are we f**king about with any other scenario. 

17 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

End the season. Give Liverpool the title. relegate no one. Promote Leeds and West Brom. Cancel the league cup. Relegate 4 next season and promote 2.

It's been the most sensible solution for months. Why are we f**king about with any other scenario. 

Their shouldn't be any scenarios, you cant just change the rules with 9 games left, void it all and move on, yes, unlucky for some, lucky for others, but fair on everyone.

4 minutes ago, coco said:

Their shouldn't be any scenarios, you cant just change the rules with 9 games left, void it all and move on, yes, unlucky for some, lucky for others, but fair on everyone.

Leeds+West Brom promotion I am happy with, because they are clearly better than the rest in that league and it's a positive change. But if we said they can't get promoted in a voided season then fine 

I don't want to watch some weird end of season tournament that is purely designed to give Liverpool the title and ends up relegating clubs I feel unfairly. 

31 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

End the season. Give Liverpool the title. relegate no one. Promote Leeds and West Brom. Cancel the league cup. Relegate 4 next season and promote 2.

It's been the most sensible solution for months. Why are we f**king about with any other scenario. 

But thats basically creating 2 completely different rules for both ends of the league, the whole thing has to be completely consistent from top to bottom.