Just now, just said:

Doesn't have to be electric shock. It could be needles. I still thinking this through.

Maybe one of those remote controlled love egg things?

VAR was brought in simply because football is overanalysed by boring middle aged men like Danny Murphy and Jamie Redknapp. It should have never been brought in but we're stuck with it and no one has suffered more than Chelsea fans. But I do agree organising I wouldn't use the word snowflake is ridiculous especially under the current climate. Women protesting because their afraid to walk the streets at night absolutely have a right to demonstrate a few anoraks protesting about basically football rules and regulations is off the scale embarrassing.

It's like fans hiring choppers for things like when Moyes out when he was at Man United are nothing but publicity stunts for blokes trying to make a name for themselves one of the blokes was interviewed on Talk Sport. Can't be cheap to hire a chopper why not give the money to a couple of young fans and buy them tickets similar to what Marcus Rashford has done.

15 minutes ago, bluedave said:

I kind of agree with Malta Blue on this.  Kind of.

 

I will take it 👍 love you too 😙

10 minutes ago, bluedave said:

absolutely nobody was satisfied with the quality of decision-making before VAR came along, this is why VAR exists in the first place, and we were often f**ked over with huge decisions going against us.

 

But look at what we've had to give up for a slightly fairer game.

They would of never brought it in if there was no way they could swing the decisions still. 

31 minutes ago, bluedave said:

I also find the idea of holding an organised protest against VAR in football pretty ridiculous, so I kind of agree with Malta Blue on this.  Kind of.

14 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I have always liked the idea of VAR, but the past few years have shown that it's not improved the game a single bit. The biggest problem is the consistency with the rules of the game. Refs seems to make it up as they go along and this is something that has been a problem in the game long before VAR was bought in. The refs are the problem, but no matter how many years go by, they never improve. Those same refs are in charge of VAR decisions, so what hope has VAR ever got of being a success?

We see a player like Bruno Fernandes literally stamp on an Aston Villa player to win a penalty, the ref gives it, VAR takes a look and still gives it. FA Cup final, Kovacic is sent off for a second booking after being fouled himself, VAR takes a look, doesn't overturn the decision. These are just two examples of the refs being absolutely awful in this country, we could easily find more examples, I am sure every fan in the country can find a time where VAR has got it wrong against their team.

The problem is that I have no faith that we will ever get anybody competent enough for VAR. Throughout all of these mistakes over the past few years, they never seem to get punished for it, it's actually the opposite, they seem to get rewarded for their mistakes. Anthony Taylor is the only ref that has taken charge of 2 F.A cup finals. How can such an appalling referee get such special treatment? The protection the refs get is staggering. We are talking about the biggest sport in the world and it's a sport that probably has the worst officials with no sign of improving. 

I think that decision is probably the worst VAR decision I've ever seen, and last night's is right up there. 

What bugs me is that, on rare occasions, the FA or Mike Riley will go public and apologise for an error, and the referee will be publicly shamed by being demoted to the Championship ("It's not a top league, so they can have sh!t officials for a weekend").

This should have happened after Dean allowed Liverpool to take a quick free kick that led to a goal on Sunday, when he should have restarted with a drop ball ( a decision that could cost us or Leicester tens of millions, and could benefit the Dippers by that same amount). It should happen now after last night's fiasco, with both Dean and Marriner getting the demotion. (And, of course, the pairing of Dean and Marriner should never have been allowed after Dean's showing on Sunday and Marriner's last Wednesday at the Bridge).

And Taylor should have been demoted after his handling of the Manure game at the Bridge last season, when he made several shocking decisions, as should that night's VAR Kavanagh, who reviewed the Maguire kick in Bats' nuts and thought "That's fine", and later ruled out the Zouma equaliser for a shove by Azpi and ignored the shove on Azpi that caused Azpi to shove the player in front of him. All massive high-profile officiating errors, that somehow didn't warrant an apology to us as a club or a demotion to the jokers who made the bad calls. And Taylor was later rewarded by being given a second cup final in three years - which he completely ballsed up with his incompetence.

1 hour ago, fansagainstVAR said:

No wonder you are known as the village idiot. 

It wasn't me that told him @Malta Blue honest.

I am all for VAR, when used correctly as I think generally speaking, there are now more correct decisions that pre-VAR....BUT... it needs to be overhauled.

Personally, I would like:

Offside:

To be given as offside, there has to be daylight between the attacker and the defender. This puts the advantage and benefit of doubt back onto the attacker, rather than the ridiculous mm decisions we are currently getting.

Other decisions:

Teams to be given 3 challenges per game, to be used for things like penalty decisions.

These challenges are made by the manager, via the 4th official. If used, the referee MUST go to the screen to watch a replay, AND MUST explain to the challenging manager (recorded via microphone) his final decision. So, in the case of the foul on Timo last night that wasn't given, TT could challenge, Mike Dean would watch the replay, and then make a final decision, which would be explained and clear to everyone. This means everyone is clear on why decisions are made, the referee is held to account AND the referee is still in charge and empowered. If the challenge is successful, then the manager would continue to have 3 challenges remaining.

I think that would work and again, would help getting more correct decisions than incorrect ones, AND would make the decisions more transparent, and the refs more accountable.

 

 

7 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

I am all for VAR, when used correctly as I think generally speaking, there are now more correct decisions that pre-VAR....BUT... it needs to be overhauled.

Personally, I would like:

Offside:

To be given as offside, there has to be daylight between the attacker and the defender. This puts the advantage and benefit of doubt back onto the attacker, rather than the ridiculous mm decisions we are currently getting.

Other decisions:

Teams to be given 3 challenges per game, to be used for things like penalty decisions.

These challenges are made by the manager, via the 4th official. If used, the referee MUST go to the screen to watch a replay, AND MUST explain to the challenging manager (recorded via microphone) his final decision. So, in the case of the foul on Timo last night that wasn't given, TT could challenge, Mike Dean would watch the replay, and then make a final decision, which would be explained and clear to everyone. This means everyone is clear on why decisions are made, the referee is held to account AND the referee is still in charge and empowered. If the challenge is successful, then the manager would continue to have 3 challenges remaining.

I think that would work and again, would help getting more correct decisions than incorrect ones, AND would make the decisions more transparent, and the refs more accountable.

 

 

A brief explanation would be great, but imagine if a stubborn attention-seeking pr!ck like Dean took the mic and said "I've looked at the incident again, and it is clear to me that Werner fouled Tielemans".

As for offsides, I'm of the view that if VAR shows the player to be offside by less than the known margin of error (see the post of page 1 of this thread), the decision is that the player has to be called onside. The margin of error lies betwen 15cm and 30cm, so even if they go with 15cm, that will rule out the ridiculous toe-nail decisions as "too close to call". They KNOW the technology is not accurate enough to make such tight calls, but rely on it to make them anyway. That is absurd. 

14 minutes ago, CaitlinCFC said:

It wasn't me that told him @Malta Blue honest.

No it was my one true love, kind of broke my heart that munky would do me like that but I still love him

3 minutes ago, Backbiter said:

see the post of page 1 of this thread

Yeah, dont bother with the rest, it's just me being a c**t to some poor new guy

VAR will never work because it takes away the pure ecstasy of a goal, no longer can you celebrate a goal without thinking there might be something that could lead to it being disallowed. The enjoyment of watching my other team in the lower leagues where if a goal goes in you don’t have to hold back makes you realise just how much VAR is taking from our game. 

Yeah you cant simply take away the best part of the game, the whole reason we follow the sport, the only time you hug a stranger because you cannot help yourself, euphoria is mighty powerful.

Why can't the Twatting f**kwits in charge make the rule, You are off side if a legitimate part of your body can score a goal, real offside should be on foot position, not a f**king Armpit, and  if you score and it goes to var its offside or disallowed for handball,cos if you do score ask Timo, Feet slightly offside, your offside, knee, calf, thigh Arse offside,  level, go with the attacker,
 

Edited May 19, 20215 yr by Ballack & Blu

Maybe if the PL managers got together and made a protest to the FA it could solve the ridiculous VAR offside decisions. As has been said time and again we see goals chalked off for crazy margins. The problem is if it goes in your favour the manager praises VAR. When it goes against the same manager will criticise VAR. No consistecy.

VAR has taken away celebrating a goal and has lead to rules being changed to suit it. Its a farce now and still often open to human interpretation. It's uttee sh*te in its current use. It needs scaled back at worst, at best bin it off until its actually workable.

52 minutes ago, dkw said:

VAR has taken away celebrating a goal and has lead to rules being changed to suit it. Its a farce now and still often open to human interpretation. It's uttee sh*te in its current use. It needs scaled back at worst, at best bin it off until its actually workable.

They should definitely cater to the audience a bit and have a replay like they do in tennis, people can clap their hands and watch Werner run offside before groaning.

5 hours ago, Malta Blue said:

Maybe one of those remote controlled love egg things?

Nope. You've completely lost me there malta. What are they and how would they work?

Edited May 19, 20215 yr by just

8 hours ago, just said:

Nope. You've completely lost me there malta. What are they and how would they work?

Wouldn't no, I've only heard that apparently you put them somewhere and they do something when someone presses a button or something

I've thought of a new way to make things easier for offside calls. There is a lot of talk about frames per second and the cameras cant keep up with the pace and what not.

Why doesnt everyone just slow down a bit?

Limit everyone to say 5mph and make them where some kind of smart watch that alerts the officials if someone is running to fast and limit how fast you can kick the ball to like 20mph and then it will be easier to see who is offside.

Pretty simple really

Or all clubs can just buy old people from care homes and chuck them out there then get a load of 20 something year olds as linesmen.

If we have fitter younger linesmen and slower older players it will also be easier to spot a correct offside.

My genius knows no limits

I should offer my services to fifa

The offside decisions via VAR really frustrate me at times. Chillwell's goal should have stood in the FA Cup and they literally made their minds up so quickly when I've seen them completely scrutinised for 4-5 minutes when they are that close.

They weren't giving that to us in a million years due to the ESL fiasco.

14 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

I am all for VAR, when used correctly as I think generally speaking, there are now more correct decisions that pre-VAR....BUT... it needs to be overhauled.

Personally, I would like:

Offside:

To be given as offside, there has to be daylight between the attacker and the defender. This puts the advantage and benefit of doubt back onto the attacker, rather than the ridiculous mm decisions we are currently getting.

Other decisions:

Teams to be given 3 challenges per game, to be used for things like penalty decisions.

These challenges are made by the manager, via the 4th official. If used, the referee MUST go to the screen to watch a replay, AND MUST explain to the challenging manager (recorded via microphone) his final decision. So, in the case of the foul on Timo last night that wasn't given, TT could challenge, Mike Dean would watch the replay, and then make a final decision, which would be explained and clear to everyone. This means everyone is clear on why decisions are made, the referee is held to account AND the referee is still in charge and empowered. If the challenge is successful, then the manager would continue to have 3 challenges remaining.

I think that would work and again, would help getting more correct decisions than incorrect ones, AND would make the decisions more transparent, and the refs more accountable.

 

 

The problem with clear daylight is how do you define it, you will still get lines trying to make an accurate decision. I prefer Wenger's solution 'If any part of your body is ONSIDE you are deemed onside, this would give a clear advantage to the attacking side and in extreme cases it would be clear daylight that is offside. Therefore a trailing leg of a running forward would likely be the measure.

The challenges sounds good until you think about how it will be implemented. Three challenges per game by each team at 2 mins would bring with it 12 mins of extra stoppages. How long would it be till these were actually used by coaches for game management to run down the clock instead of what they were brought in for?

As for referees at the highest level I do think its reasonable to have them do a press conference after the match when they can be questioned on their decisions. They are after all now very well paid instead of doing the job as a vocation with limited expenses as used to happen.

1 hour ago, charierre said:

The problem with clear daylight is how do you define it, you will still get lines trying to make an accurate decision. I prefer Wenger's solution 'If any part of your body is ONSIDE you are deemed onside, this would give a clear advantage to the attacking side and in extreme cases it would be clear daylight that is offside. Therefore a trailing leg of a running forward would likely be the measure.

The challenges sounds good until you think about how it will be implemented. Three challenges per game by each team at 2 mins would bring with it 12 mins of extra stoppages. How long would it be till these were actually used by coaches for game management to run down the clock instead of what they were brought in for?

As for referees at the highest level I do think its reasonable to have them do a press conference after the match when they can be questioned on their decisions. They are after all now very well paid instead of doing the job as a vocation with limited expenses as used to happen.

Good shout on the offside. Agree fully with that.

The challenges would probably be abused and used for game management, but personally it's the lesser of 2 evils for me. Just so frustrated at inept decisions which leave us all wondering what the hell the ref is playing at. If the ref had to review on the spot and justify his decision, which was recorded for public record, then I think it cuts out the allegations of corruption. 
 

Another thing I would like is a live, real time stop watch. Take the discretion out of all this additional time that refs add on. Ball is out of play for a goal kick, the clock stops, to be started again when the keeper kicks the ball. Sub being made? Ditto. Automate the process, or at least have the refs watch broadcast and publicised. That way, when the clock reaches 90, the game is over. No more nonsense like Allison scoring a header when time is already done. No more arguments.

Edited May 20, 20215 yr by nonotnowjim

4 hours ago, Malta Blue said:

I've thought of a new way to make things easier for offside calls. There is a lot of talk about frames per second and the cameras cant keep up with the pace and what not.

Why doesnt everyone just slow down a bit?

Limit everyone to say 5mph and make them where some kind of smart watch that alerts the officials if someone is running to fast and limit how fast you can kick the ball to like 20mph and then it will be easier to see who is offside.

Pretty simple really

Been done already malta.

Jorginho.