Well former Watford striker Troy Deeney has advised Toney to reject Arsenal and join us as "our project will fit him like a glove".

So maybe just gets what he wants here.

I worry about his mentality though. Toneys rather Justs that is. Ok maybe both...lol

 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

No resale on him most likely, bad attitude as well. Shame there are no real good options.

Well those directors of football and their scouts should earn their corn and find us a gem to sign up that can start now.

Bad attitude? The man's been banned from playing yet still trained and kept himself healthy

Annoyingly I reckon the board are looking at Benjamin Šeško. 

9 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Bad attitude? The man's been banned from playing yet still trained and kept himself healthy

That's his job.

9 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Annoyingly I reckon the board are looking at Benjamin Šeško. 

Would cost a fortune.

On 05/11/2023 at 23:57, axman2526 said:

No resale on him most likely, bad attitude as well. Shame there are no real good options.

Well those directors of football and their scouts should earn their corn and find us a gem to sign up that can start now.

No resale value is killer for a player costing 70m plus and not quite near the best in their position.

I reckon/hope we try to pry Alvarez or even Jota. Alvarez makes the most sense with the Argentine connection and like Jesus he likely wants to be the main man somewhere.

I don't see us bidding for him based on the current recruitment model. The other risk is his lengthy absence from competitive football, if he has a slow start due to match fitness, the pressure is on him before he had a chance to settle.

Ornstein and Romano both said its unlikely we'd move for Toney. 

In theory, Toney would be a great signing. Would he take us right to the top? I'm not sure. It would allow Jackson enough time to learn off him and develop as well. 

On 08/11/2023 at 07:13, venom2011 said:

No resale value is killer for a player costing 70m plus and not quite near the best in their position.

I reckon/hope we try to pry Alvarez or even Jota. Alvarez makes the most sense with the Argentine connection and like Jesus he likely wants to be the main man somewhere.

Neither of those could play as a lone striker.

Not enough physical presence. Neither are strong in the air. Neither can hold the ball up on their own well enough.

Ivan Toney is the best option out there.

1 hour ago, just said:

Neither of those could play as a lone striker.

Not enough physical presence. Neither are strong in the air. Neither can hold the ball up on their own well enough.

Ivan Toney is the best option out there.

Huh? Both have definitely played and played very well as lone strikers. Lone striker is a terrible term in any case as it's divorced from formation and tactical nuance. I could care less about physical presence or being strong in the air. Aguero, Tevez, Suarez are 3 of the most amazing strikers to have graced this league and Alvarez is in that mould.

Tony at 28, costing arguably more that Alvarez would (if the quoted 70-80m), is a vastly inferior purchase and I don't think our sporting directors would actually make such a weak decision.

Edited November 12, 20232 yr by venom2011

9 hours ago, venom2011 said:

Huh? Both have definitely played and played very well as lone strikers. Lone striker is a terrible term in any case as it's divorced from formation and tactical nuance. I could care less about physical presence or being strong in the air. Aguero, Tevez, Suarez are 3 of the most amazing strikers to have graced this league and Alvarez is in that mould.

Tony at 28, costing arguably more that Alvarez would (if the quoted 70-80m), is a vastly inferior purchase and I don't think our sporting directors would actually make such a weak decision.

Well I think the reason there are lots of media opinions linking us with Ivan Toney is exactly the same the reason why there are lots of media opinions linking Arsenal with Ivan Toney. It's so obvious we need that type of player. Neither of us have a dominant physical type centre-forward to hold the ball up and allow others to play off them. City have that player in Halaand. Liverpool have that player in Nunez. Jota, when selected, plays off Nunez. Alvarez plays off Halaand.

To me Jackson doesn't hold the ball anywhere near well enough, (Tammy Abraham was the same), and looks like a striker who will perform better in a pair. We know N'kunku isn't a target man "lone striker" type and his recent injury record is worrying. Then we have Broja and whilst he certainly does fit the bill in terms of strength, physical presence, hold up play but will he live up to the potential and will his body hold out given the injuries?

 

8 hours ago, just said:

Well I think the reason there are lots of media opinions linking us with Ivan Toney is exactly the same the reason why there are lots of media opinions linking Arsenal with Ivan Toney. It's so obvious we need that type of player. Neither of us have a dominant physical type centre-forward to hold the ball up and allow others to play off them. City have that player in Halaand. Liverpool have that player in Nunez. Jota, when selected, plays off Nunez. Alvarez plays off Halaand.

To me Jackson doesn't hold the ball anywhere near well enough, (Tammy Abraham was the same), and looks like a striker who will perform better in a pair. We know N'kunku isn't a target man "lone striker" type and his recent injury record is worrying. Then we have Broja and whilst he certainly does fit the bill in terms of strength, physical presence, hold up play but will he live up to the potential and will his body hold out given the injuries?

 

I wouldn't say we 'need' that type of player. But sure it's a profile we don't have and would be nice to have. Just not for the money being touted. Again, I couldn't care less about how physically dominant our striker is. All I care about is that he can finish well, stamina to press, has good-great position sense, and the technical ability to help us dominate games. I've always preferred more rounded strikers than lumps who stand there and do their best work in the box. 

I'd also much rather go through the motions with Jackson than get a short-term fix. And players coming from outside of the league arrive with inherent risk. So for me Alvarez ticks more boxes than any player in Europe currently: Young, league-ready, title-winner, very technical, great work rate and finishes well, would gel instantly with [Enzo, Sterling, Palmer and Poch], wouldn't cost crazy money and lastly would be a seamless tactical transition.

Edited November 13, 20232 yr by venom2011

12 hours ago, just said:

Then we have Broja and whilst he certainly does fit the bill in terms of strength, physical presence, hold up play but will he live up to the potential and will his body hold out given the injuries?

 

First question depends on the answer to the second.

IF he can stay fit Broja absolutely will reach his potential, he has everything needed, all the tools. The way Gallagher is changing opinions on him game after game, Broja has that same work ethic and passion for Chelsea. They both work their socks of and train like lamps did to improve day by day. Is just a matter of if his body will let him.

 

On 25/10/2023 at 22:47, timetowaste said:

Can you name me many better strikers available?

Osimhen - 18 months left on his contract in January.

Jonathan David - 18 months left on his contract in January. Similar player to Toney and a fraction of the cost.

Callum Wilson - 18 months left on his contract in January.

Vlahovic - don't particularly want him but probs on par if not better than Toney.

I'd probably be tempted to take a gamble on Tammy over Toney too.

I think people are underestimating how much risk goes into the Toney transfer, especially if Brentford want £80m.

On 06/11/2023 at 04:37, SydneyChelsea said:

Bad attitude? The man's been banned from playing yet still trained and kept himself healthy

Isn't that kind of the bare minimum after you've got yourself banned?

On 06/11/2023 at 14:08, Sconnie Blue said:

Annoyingly I reckon the board are looking at Benjamin Šeško. 

Isn't he busy on Deep Space Nine? 

Watched Tammy quite a lot in Serie A. For his size he's still lightweight and will struggle again with PL's physicality.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Osimhen - 18 months left on his contract in January.

Jonathan David - 18 months left on his contract in January. Similar player to Toney and a fraction of the cost.

Callum Wilson - 18 months left on his contract in January.

Vlahovic - don't particularly want him but probs on par if not better than Toney.

I'd probably be tempted to take a gamble on Tammy over Toney too.

I think people are underestimating how much risk goes into the Toney transfer, especially if Brentford want £80m.

Apart from Osimhen I don't think any of them are better than Toney to be honest.

Jonathan David - even at a fraction of the price I wouldn't touch him, currently in horrid form and from the bits I've seen he's just not that great. I think the fact that Lille were willing to sell him last summer and there wasn't much interest says it all.

Callum Wilson - he's alright but is he a starter for a team that wants to challenge for the league? I don't think so, hence why Newcastle bought Isak. Not to mention he's 32 in February and injury prone.

Dusan Vlahovic - I rate him but I don't think he's any better than Toney, I wouldn't be against signing him though.

Tammy - We've seen what he offers and we sold him for a reason. Last season he got 9 goals in 54 games, was often dropped by Jose and will be coming off an ACL injury.

 

Toney is valued that much because there is a massive lack of top strikers in world football at the moment and even less that are available for us. That being said I think the most likely outcome is we wait until the summer and go for Osimhen.

Edited November 14, 20232 yr by timetowaste

11 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Apart from Osimhen I don't think any of them are better than Toney to be honest.

Jonathan David - even at a fraction of the price I wouldn't touch him, currently in horrid form and from the bits I've seen he's just not that great. I think the fact that Lille were willing to sell him last summer and there wasn't much interest says it all.

Callum Wilson - he's alright but is he a starter for a team that wants to challenge for the league? I don't think so, hence why Newcastle bought Isak. Not to mention he's 32 in February and injury prone.

Dusan Vlahovic - I rate him but I don't think he's any better than Toney, I wouldn't be against signing him though.

Tammy - We've seen what he offers and we sold him for a reason. Last season he got 9 goals in 54 games, was often dropped by Jose and will be coming off an ACL injury.

 

Toney is valued that much because there is a massive lack of top strikers in world football at the moment and even less that are available for us. That being said I think the most likely outcome is we wait until the summer and go for Osimhen.

I agree and Osimhen could well be a flop he's currently on the same goals as Jackson and behind Giroud in Serie A, he's had one outstanding season.   We have to be careful we aren't just picking up the flavour of the month, Lautaro Martínez is killing it at the moment do we now switch to him? 

Picking a striker for Chelsea is a dangerous occupation and Toney looks the safest bet.  I really don't know there's slim pickings in the Striker department but there's bound to be a hidden gem out there, problem is we've already gambled on Jackson, DD Fofana, and Washington we need a sure fire hit.  Just have to hope the guys in charge pick the right man and not just another maybe or a one season wonder.  

3 hours ago, DarkMata said:

I agree and Osimhen could well be a flop he's currently on the same goals as Jackson and behind Giroud in Serie A, he's had one outstanding season.   We have to be careful we aren't just picking up the flavour of the month, Lautaro Martínez is killing it at the moment do we now switch to him? 

Picking a striker for Chelsea is a dangerous occupation and Toney looks the safest bet.  I really don't know there's slim pickings in the Striker department but there's bound to be a hidden gem out there, problem is we've already gambled on Jackson, DD Fofana, and Washington we need a sure fire hit.  Just have to hope the guys in charge pick the right man and not just another maybe or a one season wonder.  

80m on a 28 year old with 1 year left is not a safe, nor wise bet. Simply because of the dearth of world class strikers, we need to be poaching one from our rivals. As I mentioned. 1. Alvarez 2. Jota 3. Nketiah/Wilson. We can offer each of them something they can't get at their own clubs a la Palmer and Sterling.

1 hour ago, venom2011 said:

80m on a 28 year old with 1 year left is not a safe, nor wise bet. Simply because of the dearth of world class strikers, we need to be poaching one from our rivals. As I mentioned. 1. Alvarez 2. Jota 3. Nketiah/Wilson. We can offer each of them something they can't get at their own clubs a la Palmer and Sterling.

None of them are a game changer for our team, I would rather whack Nkunku up front if we were going to go with someone like Alvarez or Jota, the less said about buying Nketiah the better.

7 hours ago, venom2011 said:

80m on a 28 year old with 1 year left is not a safe, nor wise bet. Simply because of the dearth of world class strikers, we need to be poaching one from our rivals. As I mentioned. 1. Alvarez 2. Jota 3. Nketiah/Wilson. We can offer each of them something they can't get at their own clubs a la Palmer and Sterling.

I think Alvarez is going to be a cracking player but there’s no chance we get him.  Jota is only a few months younger than Toney probably not for sale or won’t be cheap.  Nketiah is rubbish I’d rather give Jackson and Broja a chance. Wilson is older and can’t play twice a week without pulling a muscle.  I’m not saying Toney is the only option but I don’t think any of those are better options or necessary much cheaper those clubs would rip us off.

14 hours ago, timetowaste said:

None of them are a game changer for our team, I would rather whack Nkunku up front if we were going to go with someone like Alvarez or Jota, the less said about buying Nketiah the better.

A seasoned striker who could score 20 goals wouldn't be a gamechanger for our team? Ridiculous. That would easily be the difference between our points tally right now and matching our expected points which would be level with Arsenal and Spurs.

Not averse to seeing Nkunku upfront but it's not ideal nor a long-term solution.