1 minute ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Fair but I think its just one game. Not trying to defend him but I think its harsh people are judging him on one game. If Tuchel wants him he probably watched more than one game and believes he can fill the defensive gap we have.

I was never convinced on him since the rumours started, so to see him put in that kind of performance makes me even more worried.

19 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Is the price tag that is causing concern. Leicester need to keep him and Maddison as otherwise they could be heading for the drop.

The price sounds ridiculous but it honestly isn't different from the usual premier league club to premier league club transfer when a player has a large contract. Man City Paid 100mil for Grealish while he probably should have cost them less than 70mil. Similar thing here.

1 minute ago, Scott Harris said:

I was never convinced on him since the rumours started, so to see him put in that kind of performance makes me even more worried.

Confirm those priors, Scott!

1 minute ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

The price sounds ridiculous but it honestly isn't different from the usual premier league club to premier league club transfer when a player has a large contract. Man City Paid 100mil for Grealish while he probably should have cost them less than 70mil. Similar thing here.

Comparing Fofana to one of the worst signings of all time doesn't exactly instill confidence.

If he wasn't playing in the PL there is no way that he would have such a price tag. Kounde was basically coming for less if he wanted to...

3 hours ago, ducavis said:

Quick transition not passing it around endlessly.

What's that....a quick transition..I'm curious.

8 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I was never convinced on him since the rumours started, so to see him put in that kind of performance makes me even more worried.

I think its fair to not be convinced considering he's only had one season in the league. I would have preferred De Ligt if I'm being honest. I'm mostly having faith in Tuchel's judgement since this is another player from the french league we have been linked with and given Tuchel coached there he might have been watching him even beyond his leicester days.

37 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

The price sounds ridiculous but it honestly isn't different from the usual premier league club to premier league club transfer when a player has a large contract. Man City Paid 100mil for Grealish while he probably should have cost them less than 70mil. Similar thing here.

Thats English nationality tax. Fofana and Cucurella both had one single good season at midtable sides and we are smashing records for them.

Now they will need to become the new VVD and Ashley Cole, respectively to justify it or be seen as flops. Huge pressure.

Fofana will be better than VVD

At that age VVD was playing in Groningen don't let me laugh 

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1 minute ago, azpi28 said:

Fofana will be better than VVD

You and I discussed that whole egg on face thing earlier right?

 

Leicester playing Fofana and him apparently getting ripped apart may help us in terms of getting lower bid accepted, I hope. Wishful thinking.

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

You and I discussed that whole egg on face thing earlier right?

 

Fofana at 21 > PL Leicester, Close to French National Team

VVD at 21 > Eredivisie, mid table team  

15 minutes ago, STATS said:

Leicester playing Fofana and him apparently getting ripped apart may help us in terms of getting lower bid accepted, I hope. Wishful thinking.

Very wishful.

13 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

Fofana at 21 > PL Leicester, Close to French National Team

VVD at 21 > Eredivisie, mid table team  

Drogba at 21 > French League Le Mans, who?? 

Blooming early does not always mean they end up better.

15 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Very wishful.

Drogba at 21 > French League Le Mans, who?? 

Blooming early does not always mean they end up better.

fair enough 

I understand that at the moment he is not a 80 million pound defender

It's the potential that makes him worth so much, and his contractual situation 

VVD was a 75 million transfer, he was 27 at that time or 28 (and he didn't have such a long contract as Fofana has)

not many people thought he was worth that money at the time, we could have gone through his season at that moment and take out one game and say oh no he's not worth that amount of money.

they will probably get 6 or 7 seasons out of VVD

Fofana is 21, for the same price we could get 10, 11, 12 seasons out of him 

 

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6 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

fair enough 

I understand that at the moment he is not a 80 million pound defender

It's the potential that makes him worth so much, and his contractual situation 

VVD was a 75 million transfer, he was 27 at that time or 28 (and he didn't have such a long contract as Fofana has)

not many people thought he was worth that money at the time, we could have gone through his season at that moment and take out one game and say oh no he's not worth that amount of money.

they will probably get 6 or 7 seasons out of VVD

Fofana is 21, for the same price we could get 10, 11, 12 seasons out of him 

 

And I very much would like you to be right. Provided we sign him.

Well I looked at him today for the first time properly, I see a player with promise but definitely got a mistake in him, Rio at a similar age had more than his share of gaffes. He seemed to get squared up very easily, maybe his head wasn't in it. The point is though he is very raw, not yet a full international. I see Tomori and Chalobah at present in him, should we be breaking the world record fee for a defender for him, and all the pressure it will entail? 80m plus is a massive fee, one you expect to get a ready-made world-class defender. It's a big risk that could be inspired or backfire spectacularly. Todd's negotiating skills need honing it seems we low ball first, then offer a mid-range price plus a penny arrow bar, 2 mojos, and a drumstick lolly, and then agree to pay the full price. Each opponent knows now to just hold out for the top dollar.

5 minutes ago, charierre said:

Well I looked at him today for the first time properly, I see a player with promise but definitely got a mistake in him, Rio at a similar age had more than his share of gaffes. He seemed to get squared up very easily, maybe his head wasn't in it. The point is though he is very raw, not yet a full international. I see Tomori and Chalobah at present in him, should we be breaking the world record fee for a defender for him, and all the pressure it will entail? 80m plus is a massive fee, one you expect to get a ready-made world-class defender. It's a big risk that could be inspired or backfire spectacularly. Todd's negotiating skills need honing it seems we low ball first, then offer a mid-range price plus a penny arrow bar, 2 mojos, and a drumstick lolly, and then agree to pay the full price. Each opponent knows now to just hold out for the top dollar.

it was very warm, he had an early yellow, he probably didn't want to be there 

mentality is everything and if you're so distracted with this whole saga i understand he isn't at his best, especially at that age. He needs to learn from Thiago Silva and Koulibaly 

Just now, azpi28 said:

it was very warm, he had an early yellow, he probably didn't want to be there 

mentality is everything and if you're so distracted with this whole saga i understand he isn't at his best, especially at that age. He needs to learn from Thiago Silva and Koulibaly 

You normally pick the apple from the tree young to develop and as such the fee takes this into account. It's a very big gamble on a player who has one proper season at the top. 

1 minute ago, charierre said:

You normally pick the apple from the tree young to develop and as such the fee takes this into account. It's a very big gamble on a player who has one proper season at the top. 

we're acquiring some great young players for the academy though

Just now, azpi28 said:

we're acquiring some great young players for the academy though

We are at an age where we develop them and rake in the profits

7 hours ago, azpi28 said:

it's a huge insult to compare Maguire with Fofana in any way

Hopefully the only thing they have in common is that they were both in a defence that shipped 4 goals today 🙂 

15 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

it was very warm, he had an early yellow, he probably didn't want to be there 

mentality is everything and if you're so distracted with this whole saga i understand he isn't at his best, especially at that age. He needs to learn from Thiago Silva and Koulibaly 

Yeah Colwill should be learning from them as well rather than rotting on the Brighton bench...

8 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Yeah Colwill should be learning from them as well rather than rotting on the Brighton bench...

Colwill is 2 years younger compared to Fofana

in 2 years time he will probably be in the first team 

Silva will still be here hopefully by then

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38 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

Colwill is 2 years younger compared to Fofana

in 2 years time he will probably be in the first team 

Silva will still be here hopefully by then

Thar would be great.

2 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I was never convinced on him since the rumours started, so to see him put in that kind of performance makes me even more worried.

Scott would you mind if I asked have you have ever seen a player, any player at a young age, perhaps before anybody had ever even heard of them, that you watched and thought at times, this kid looks special? Of coourse there's never any guarantees that any young player will reach the huge expectations placed on them, but you felt this kid has way more chance than most? They might still make mistakes, make rash decisions, but that you've thought that will most likely change with more experience but mostly you feel, because of their sheer god-given abilities. Anyone?

I have three times. Live and in the flesh. Messi at 17, but everyone could see that in him. Vincent Kompany at 18 when we played Anderlecht away in a meaningless UCL early group game. And once at Barnet FC in the late 90's at our first pre-season game. He was a centre-half. Bit gangly, bit rash, he tried to win every ball but didn't. Made a hash of a few things. Wasn't blessed with real pace but his bravery, tackling, concentration levels, physical strength and sheer will to win absolutely shone through.

I came away completely convinced he had "IT". So did my Dad incidentally, who had watched Chelsea since the early 1950s. The kid went out on loan and we didn't think we'd probably ever see him again. Nowadays, under our current system, we most probably wouldn't have done. But he came back, (still young and still a bit raw), ......... His name was John Terry.

Again in bold this time no guarantees he will make it, but I can only think you have seen very, very little of Fofana or watched him over a number of matches with any particular close attention to come out with such a knee-jerk "he ain't good enough" post.