28 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Juventus would be idiots to turn that down. Werner would wreak havoc in Serie A.

If it was the other way around would you take that deal? I would not unless De Ligt is not as good as the hype says.

A few reports out there now that Juve won't accept a swap deal, and I cannot say that surprises me.

Apparently they told us we either pay his release clause or they won't be letting him go.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10949135/Matthijs-Ligt-fancied-Premier-League-make-sense.html
 

This article isn’t particularly great about Ligt. I hope Tuchel knows what he’s doing.  

Do we want him? Not sure...

1 hour ago, JM7 said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10949135/Matthijs-Ligt-fancied-Premier-League-make-sense.html
 

This article isn’t particularly great about Ligt. I hope Tuchel knows what he’s doing.  

Tomori must have improved because the Tomori I watched and liked and was sorry he left had plenty of mistakes in him. 

He just won their POTS 😂

33 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

He just won their POTS 😂

https://www.skysports.com/serie-a-table/2021

So what does that really mean?

Profile wise, he’s a physical presence with clear leadership qualities - fills the gap left by Rudiger, no obvious weaknesses and a high ceiling in the game. 

The only big issue is the kind of money he’s going to be on as Juve threw everything at him in order to secure him from Ajax as there was massive competition at the time. 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

He just won their POTS 😂

Lukaku won Inters POTS.

Was still never going to be good enough for the highest level in a million years.  The talent isn't there.

De Ligt is much more talented but him winning POTS doesn't necessarily make him a better option than Kounde, Gvavidol, Koulibaly or the plethora of CB's we are linked with.

I'd be happy with signing him but if the fee gets ridiculous there are other options I'd prefer.

This is a none starter, the amounts involved are too high.

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

This is a none starter, the amounts involved are too high.

With the Kounde deal seemingly no nearer, it is likely we are looking at a number of options. De Ligt is just one of them, but I agree that it is unlikely we will meet Juve's asking price. I could see us being willing to do a player plus cash swap but that seems to be off the table for Juve. I would still love to see Koulibaly at the bridge for some experience and physical strength. Then maybe one younger option like Guardiol or Kounde.

Update as it stands guys, Timo is interested in moving and willing to take a wage cut to go to Juve main reason is more guaranteed game time. Juventus want Timo as well, MDL (M, De ligt) wants move and would like to come to Chelsea.

Now the only issue was the valuation of MDL and the amount CFC were willing to pay in compensation on top of Timo going the other way. Originally reported both Pulisic and Timo were offered, also reports Jorginho could be part of a deal these are all unconfirmed from any top or reliable sources. 

My top source I value over all others, as things stand claims CFC and Juve are getting closer and closer to reaching a compromise. What the final price could look like is anyone's guess.

If we do some quick maths: If CFC value Timo between €40-50m and Juve value MDL at ~€100m you can see why they were not willing to take Timo + €25-30m. 

From my perspective based on what I'm hearing I think this deal happens guys, again no idea the eventual final sums but it is a deal that currently suits all parties once finances are sorted. 

The context MDL is regarded as Tuchel's top defensive target, Kounde could still arrive, but its now being reported by many that Kounde was a board/Marina signing and Tuchel isn't as fussed about landing him. So watch this space we could get both or we could choose MDL over Kounde and if that happens do not be too surprised.

6 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Update as it stands guys, Timo is interested in moving and willing to take a wage cut to go to Juve main reason is more guaranteed game time. Juventus want Timo as well, MDL (M, De ligt) wants move and would like to come to Chelsea.

Now the only issue was the valuation of MDL and the amount CFC were willing to pay in compensation on top of Timo going the other way. Originally reported both Pulisic and Timo were offered, also reports Jorginho could be part of a deal these are all unconfirmed from any top or reliable sources. 

My top source I value over all others, as things stand claims CFC and Juve are getting closer and closer to reaching a compromise. What the final price could look like is anyone's guess.

If we do some quick maths: If CFC value Timo between €40-50m and Juve value MDL at ~€100m you can see why they were not willing to take Timo + €25-30m. 

From my perspective based on what I'm hearing I think this deal happens guys, again no idea the eventual final sums but it is a deal that currently suits all parties once finances are sorted. 

The context MDL is regarded as Tuchel's top defensive target, Kounde could still arrive, but its now being reported by many that Kounde was a board/Marina signing and Tuchel isn't as fussed about landing him. So watch this space we could get both or we could choose MDL over Kounde and if that happens do not be too surprised.

Our valuation of Timo in terms of a swap deal means nothing. As De Ligt is valued higher then it is whatever Juve value him and Timo at.

We can say we value Timo at say 45mill euros, but if Juve turn around and say "hey if we were just looking to get him you know you would be doing a loan for 5mill euros and a buy option of 20mill euros on top". So if they value Timo at 25mill euros combined then does not matter what we value him at. 

On top of that a few are saying Juve don't want a part exchange because they want all cash for De Ligt so they can sign Kouilbaly and have plenty left over, and then, you guessed it, LOAN Timo from us.

Edited June 25, 20224 yr by axman2526

2 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Our valuation of Timo in terms of a swap deal means nothing. As De Ligt is valued higher then it is whatever Juve value him and Timo at.

We can say we value Timo at say 45mill euros, but if Juve turn around and say "hey if we were just looking to get him you know you would be doing a loan for 5mill euros and a buy option of 20mill euros on top". So if they value Timo at 25mill euros combined then does not matter what we value him at. 

On top of that a few are saying Juve don't want a part exchange because they want all cash for De Ligt so they can sign Kouilbaly and have plenty left over, and then, you guessed it, LOAN Timo from us.

😂😂 Italian teams do love a good loan. Imagine there's a world where Ziyech, Romelu and Timo all go on loan to 3 different Italian teams

Just now, LongtimerLurker said:

😂😂 Italian teams do love a good loan. Imagine there's a world where Ziyech, Romelu and Timo all go on loan to 3 different Italian teams

Every chance of it mate lol.

8 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

😂😂 Italian teams do love a good loan. Imagine there's a world where Ziyech, Romelu and Timo all go on loan to 3 different Italian teams

And RLC too. Probably CHO.

Can we sign players on a loan. Other than Saul that is. Can we take De Ligt on loan for instance?

Does seem that we’ve moved away from Kounde and Tuchel is pushing for MDL

Tuchel has set his sights on landing Juventus defender Matthijs de Ligt.  Kounde is on 'hold'.

Why would Juventus sell? Well Juve need the money, as the Italian giants want to raise funds to sign Neymar.  Oh dear.

If PSG can sell Neymar, then they are going to make an offer for Dembele.

Edited June 26, 20224 yr by TheCeleryKing

#deligt - #Chelsea no deal yet but these are hot days. #City awaits.
 

@Alfredo Padulla

 

Hot days are back. 

32 minutes ago, JM7 said:

#deligt - #Chelsea no deal yet but these are hot days. #City awaits.
 

@Alfredo Padulla

 

Hot days are back. 

Now City I can believe spending 95mill or more on De ligt. 

Us? No chance.

city awaits? ??

 

70m Euro initial asking price down to 40m with Timo. Effectively selling Timo for £26m. I feel like he is close to turning a corner here but at the same time he could easily just fall back into old ways.

Even Werner at his best he is still vastly limited in what we want in our attackers. 

He's essentially a poor man's Leroy Sane. 

So we are getting rid Timo, Ziyech and Lukaku and we are two defenders short...so basically we need those 6 signings if we want a midfielder too.....