6 hours ago, azpi28 said:

De Jong got a standing ovation last game where he started instead of Busquets

Seems that Xavi has seen the light

 

It was always a load of old theatrical bollox from the start

6 hours ago, Gol15 said:

T.Silva simply let that happen, the area from which the cross was coming it shouldn't even been a real chance for them. Chilwell at least tried.

No attempt whatsoever.  Just a token jump in the air in the region of. No real attempt to actually win the ball

 

IMHO...

Potter is nowhere near the tactical level of Tuchel.

Our ideal manager would be Tuchel with the man management skills of Potter.

Shame they couldn't just send Tuchel for a degree on the side (granted easier said than done) or even a condensed version or a man management course. Because to teach Potter the tactical genius of Tuchel would take 10x more time and that's if he can/does pick it up (i think he could).

9 hours ago, azpi28 said:

the whole back line was sleeping and just watching it unfold 

Chilly did a halfhearted attempt at heading it away

how can they have 2 free men on the back post in the 94th minute? If i'm not wrong this whole situation came initially from a tactical foul of Jorginho, not directly but the ball got headed out and it came to Shaw who had the freedom and time to cross it to the back post from deep 

Wouldn't it be great if once, just once, our alleged "DEFENSIVE midfielder" actually did something great defensively to save us. A last ditch tackle, a match-saving header, running back and hooking one off the line, a late sliding block. Anything. Anything at all where we could say our fantastic DM really saved the day. 

He got run past or run through so often yesterday I lost count. On the plus side he took a great penalty and his finger pointing was excellent.

8 minutes ago, just said:

Wouldn't it be great if once, just once, our alleged "DEFENSIVE midfielder" actually did something great defensively to save us. A last ditch tackle, a match-saving header, running back and hooking one off the line, a late sliding block. Anything. Anything at all where we could say our fantastic DM really saved the day. 

He got run past or run through so often yesterday I lost count. On the plus side he took a great penalty and his finger pointing was excellent.

Ah, is that what he is?

46 minutes ago, just said:

Wouldn't it be great if once, just once, our alleged "DEFENSIVE midfielder" actually did something great defensively to save us. A last ditch tackle, a match-saving header, running back and hooking one off the line, a late sliding block. Anything. Anything at all where we could say our fantastic DM really saved the day. 

He got run past or run through so often yesterday I lost count. On the plus side he took a great penalty and his finger pointing was excellent.

And yet our genius coach keeps playing him?

You can claim Jorginho is sh*t but then the head coach is even sh*ttier for persisting with him surely? For 96 minutes yesterday with options on the bench.

Or for this absymal f**king football he's got us playing. Took 20 years but we got a new Tinkerman. 

 

Edited October 23, 20223 yr by Droy

43 minutes ago, Droy said:

And yet our genius coach keeps playing him?

You can claim Jorginho is sh*t but then the head coach is even sh*ttier for persisting with him surely? For 96 minutes yesterday with options on the bench.

Or for this absymal f**king football he's got us playing. Took 20 years but we got a new Tinkerman. 

 

Sarri, Lampard, Tuchel and Potter all played with Jorginho.

I suppose there is a 50/50 chance that none of these know nothing about football and that you know everything, but I'm leaning in the other direction tbh.

With Kante injured, Kovacic struggling with niggles and Gallagher sick - even the mythical manager who would have Chelsea win 38 out of 38 league games (being the first one to live up to expectations) might have played with Jorginho.

He's not Gods gift to football but it is a good player.

I said before the United match that it would give us an indication whether we were tired or if there was a major problem. Based on the last 3 performances, we’ve got a major problem. We haven’t scored a proper open play goal in 3 games, barely created anything and only won 1/3 (which was lucky imo). 
 

I can’t believe that we’re so reliant on Reece James and the side just falls apart. The best that we can do is just try to stay in top 4 contention until the World Cup and try to get James and Fofana back. 

4 minutes ago, SwedishEntity said:

Sarri, Lampard, Tuchel and Potter all played with Jorginho.

I suppose there is a 50/50 chance that none of these know nothing about football and that you know everything, but I'm leaning in the other direction tbh.

With Kante injured, Kovacic struggling with niggles and Gallagher sick - even the mythical manager who would have Chelsea win 38 out of 38 league games (being the first one to live up to expectations) might have played with Jorginho.

He's not Gods gift to football but it is a good player.

I agree with you.

I was trying to prove that just there who's obviously obsessed with Jorginho is full of crap.

Edited October 23, 20223 yr by Droy

2 minutes ago, Droy said:

I agree with you.

I was trying to prove that just there who's obviously obsessed with Jorginho is full of crap.

Ok

Yeah in any football team there are a couple of players (or other individuals such as the managers, owners or directors of football) seen as scapegoats and if it was just possible to get rid of those, we'd live in Narnia and every game would be perfect. Bit silly. But it is what it is.

2 hours ago, just said:

Wouldn't it be great if once, just once, our alleged "DEFENSIVE midfielder" actually did something great defensively to save us. A last ditch tackle, a match-saving header, running back and hooking one off the line, a late sliding block. Anything. Anything at all where we could say our fantastic DM really saved the day. 

He got run past or run through so often yesterday I lost count. On the plus side he took a great penalty and his finger pointing was excellent.

he is not a defensive midfielder

we have only 2 defensive midfielders in the squad

Chalobah and Kanté (who is used more as a Box to Box)

in my opinion Jorginho is treated very harshly by a few 

Edited October 23, 20223 yr by azpi28

27 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

he is not a defensive midfielder

we have only 2 defensive midfielders in the squad

Chalobah and Kanté (who is used more as a Box to Box)

in my opinion Jorginho is treated very harshly by a few 

You can see Jorginho is a great player. My personal opinion is the PL is just a bit too quick for him. 

17 minutes ago, Blueboys said:

You can see Jorginho is a great player. My personal opinion is the PL is just a bit too quick for him. 

out of possession it's sometimes too quick for him in some games, especially against the very dynamic high pressing teams 

we need to have  ~60% possession for him to thrive 

1 hour ago, azpi28 said:

he is not a defensive midfielder

we have only 2 defensive midfielders in the squad

Chalobah and Kanté (who is used more as a Box to Box)

in my opinion Jorginho is treated very harshly by a few 

I agree. He isn't a defensive midfielder. Nor is he an attacking midfielder. He is a recycling midfielder and we are the only team in the EPL which thinks it needs one of these. 

I'm sure when Potter gets the chance to bring some of his own players in, that will change.

 

2 hours ago, SwedishEntity said:

Sarri, Lampard, Tuchel and Potter all played with Jorginho.

I suppose there is a 50/50 chance that none of these know nothing about football and that you know everything, but I'm leaning in the other direction tbh.

With Kante injured, Kovacic struggling with niggles and Gallagher sick - even the mythical manager who would have Chelsea win 38 out of 38 league games (being the first one to live up to expectations) might have played with Jorginho.

He's not Gods gift to football but it is a good player.

Lampard dropped him and there was a lot of media speculation J5's time at Chelsea was over. Jorginho's fan club will tell you that is the sole reason it went wrong for Lampard. It wasn't. 

1 minute ago, just said:

Lampard dropped him and there was a lot of media speculation J5's time at Chelsea was over. Jorginho's fan club will tell you that is the sole reason it went wrong for Lampard. It wasn't. 

Yes he did drop him during his second season and he lost his job. Move on.

13 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Past 3 games have been a chore to watch.

I remember @Scott Harrissaying after TT left he wanted us to go back to being entertaining to watch. For it To be something to look forward to, watching our team, "oh good we are playing today" rather than "oh sh*t another Chelsea game"

Past 3 have very much reminded me of those worst periods under TT.

I don't look forward to watching Jorginho, RLC, Sterling, Aubameyang or Havertz play for us.

We don't have any exciting players to watch.

Everyone has an opinion, everyone is entitled to air it. In mine I think our transfer policy has been at best f**king diabolical considering the literally hundreds of million pounds we’ve spent on transfer fees and  again in wages and f**king agents fees. To end up with what exactly? In my opinion boring, turgid, negative football.

Some on here defending certain so called footballers for what ever reason is laughable, then we get the f**king pages of ‘stats’ backing it up. A turd is a f**king turd what ever stats you throw at it. 
All I want as a football fan but more importantly a Chelsea is some entertainment, and week after f**king week we have to watch this sh*t. 
Even if we lose, lose but with some sort of pride/ effort/ enthusiasm ffs. 
Someone tell me who out of all the money we’ve spent is a player you look forward to entertain excite you?

Lukaku, Havertz, Stirling, Abu, Jorginho, Zietch, etc. etc. etc. the list is f**king endless. 
Waiting for some comeback but, but, but with some stats thrown in. 

5 hours ago, Simplymo said:

 

IMHO...

Potter is nowhere near the tactical level of Tuchel.

Our ideal manager would be Tuchel with the man management skills of Potter.

Shame they couldn't just send Tuchel for a degree on the side (granted easier said than done) or even a condensed version or a man management course. Because to teach Potter the tactical genius of Tuchel would take 10x more time and that's if he can/does pick it up (i think he could).

I think it is about time that people realise that we were 6th in the Premier League form table for 7/8 months under Tuchel. Getting top four last season was heavily reliant upon Tottenham, Manutd and Arsenal being poor. If there was any improvement from those three sides, in terms of results, they were going to knock us out of the top four this season.

We needed to show improvement to secure top four this season, but we didn't under Tuchel. We were, once again, sixth in the form table for the first six games of this season, and the performances were dire. We were leaking goals (9 in 6 matches - PL only) and there was no promise of improvement in our play. I would not doubt that we would have fallen below 6th by this point.

Just to show that we were actually poor last season - we actually averaged 5th in the form table from the 8th game of last season to the end. Our competition had absolutely dire periods that saved us from being out of the Champions League entirely. We had been performing poorly under Tuchel for a long time.

 

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Unlike some people, I have seen an improvement under Potter. We have only conceded 3 goals in 8 games in all competitions. Under Tuchel, we conceded 10 in 7 games in all competitions. Potter had to do something about this, and he has succeeded in stemming the flow. That is a change from 1.42 goals per game to 0.37 goals per game. Do people not see why he has been forced to make defensive adjustments?

We scored 8 in 10 under Tuchel in all competitions but have scored 14 in 8 under Potter in all competitions. That is a change of 0.8 goals scored per game to 1.75 goals per game scored under Potter. 

So, we are scoring more and conceding a lot less. I would say these stats are promising and have shown vast improvement from the depths of where we were under Tuchel. It isn't going to be perfect, though, as it is going to take Potter a lot of work to change this team. There is a lot to fix with this team and making snap judgement on him not being as good as Tuchel are pointless at this stage.

 

 

 

Edited October 23, 20223 yr by Chelsc96

2 hours ago, SwedishEntity said:

Ok

Yeah in any football team there are a couple of players (or other individuals such as the managers, owners or directors of football) seen as scapegoats and if it was just possible to get rid of those, we'd live in Narnia and every game would be perfect. Bit silly. But it is what it is.

Fact is Potter hasn't lost a match yet, 3 wins and 2 draws in the PL and if we count the CL it's 5 wins and 3 draws. 14 goals scored in 8 matches and 3 goals conceded.

Pretty sure that's a better start than ten Hag.

Looking like the new manager bounce is over. 

6 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Looking like the new manager bounce is over. 

Point taken, everyone can be a keyboard manager but somethings are so blatantly obvious it beggars belief. 

3 hours ago, SwedishEntity said:

Sarri, Lampard, Tuchel and Potter all played with Jorginho.

I suppose there is a 50/50 chance that none of these know nothing about football and that you know everything, but I'm leaning in the other direction tbh.

With Kante injured, Kovacic struggling with niggles and Gallagher sick - even the mythical manager who would have Chelsea win 38 out of 38 league games (being the first one to live up to expectations) might have played with Jorginho.

He's not Gods gift to football but it is a good player.

Well if we have to agree that none of us know better than managers,  we might as well shut down the comments section and meekly accept everything they do .

Think we need to play a back 4 from now on. 

5 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Think we need to play a back 4 from now on. 

If you look at the squad, it definitely isn't put together to play with 5 at the back. We only have 8 defenders. That's enough for 4 at the back, to cope with injuries, suspension etc, but probably 2 players short for 5 at the back to be the intention. With Fofana, James and Koulibaly currently all ruled out, there is now zero defensive cover on the bench for 5 at the back.