6 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Looks to have his favorites, and have a blind spot to them no matter how crap they are, just like every other manager. 

In his case it appears they are RLC, Mount, Sterling, Aubameyang and Havertz, though he did drop the latter at least today.

No way we make top four this season. Not when we are throwing away big points against top 4 rivals at the death.

Sending RLC, Mount, Sterling, Auba and Havertz to Gulag (or whatever you think should be done with them) would not improve Chelseas chances of winning football games.

Well, maybe Havertz.

Edited October 22, 20223 yr by SwedishEntity

2 minutes ago, SwedishEntity said:

Sending RLC, Mount, Sterling, Auba and Havertz to Gulag (or whatever you think should be done with them) would not improve Chelseas chances of winning football games.

Well, maybe Havertz.

The majority of this squad is not top level, his only hope is players like Carney, Hutchinson, Casadei and Broja hit the ground running like Saka and Martinelli did for Arsenal.

I don't understand criticism on Potter. We started in 343 formation but we couldn't freaking press and it got nothing to do with formation because we pressed the sh*t out Madrid in Bernabeu in 343.

Potter then switched to 433 which made us better because we could press. At what cost? That Antony chance, that was the cost. That chances was why playing back 4 is suicidal for us. 

We then played more of a diamond in the 2nd half which really helped us protect the middle more. 

Edited October 22, 20223 yr by Bob stark

We lack so much to be able to fight for top placements. Today we didn't a single defender on the bench. We don't have proper wingers. We still are short of 20 goal striker. And we need a worldclasse midfielder. 

4 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Sacking Tuchel after just 6 games in was insane

I wasn’t a big Tommy fan at the end by any means and did think his days were well numbered long before, but sacking him to bring in a Brighton manager is a bit silly!

1 minute ago, Mod said:

I wasn’t a big Tommy fan at the end by any means and did think his days were well numbered long before, but sacking him to bring in a Brighton manager is a bit silly!

They all start somewhere. Tuchel himself got his big chance after Mainz.

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

I don't understand criticism on Potter. We started in 343 formation but we couldn't freaking press and it got nothing to do with formation because we pressed the sh*t out Madrid in Bernabeu in 343.

Potter then switched to 433 which made us better because we could press. At what cost? That Antony chance, that was the cost. That chances was why playing back 4 is suicidal for us. 

We then played more of a diamond in the 2nd half which really helped us protect the middle more. 

Then that is surely on Potter. If we can't do the things were we doing well under Tuchel with the same formation, then that suggests Potter has changed things for the worse.

We have surrendered the possession game, so that is one thing he has gotten wrong. He's not having us press as effectively, which doesn't help when you have Loftus-Cheek starting most games and he has our attackers and wing backs so deep. Why are we not seeing the wing backs overlapping and linking up with the wide midfielders? Why are Sterling and Mount running at 5 opposition players with the wing backs behind them and a striker suffocated by opposition defenders? They have no chance of linking up with anybody, Mount and Sterling are basically running against a wall. Where are the midfielders like Kovacic to pull a defender away and create space for the attackers. 

People thought Tuchel was a defensive manager, but Potter is more defensive than I have seen us in a long time. There is nothing going on in attack at all.

6 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I don't understand criticism on Potter. We started in 343 formation but we couldn't freaking press and it got nothing to do with formation because we pressed the sh*t out Madrid in Bernabeu in 343.

Potter then switched to 433 which made us better because we could press. At what cost? That Antony chance, that was the cost. That chances was why playing back 4 is suicidal for us. 

We then played more of a diamond in the 2nd half which really helped us protect the middle more. 

You don't actually believe its all in the formation do you? Thats what matters the least.

Its what you do within your framework that matters and we were the best pressers in the f**king game back then with TT. Potter seemingly can't organize a press to save his life. We are disjointed, we don't press as a unit so there is massive gaps between attack and our deep sitting defence so teams carve through us.

First half today was one of the most pathethic things i've ever seen at the Bridge.

 

Will see how much the new owners believe in Potter and want a long term vision come the end of the season.

7 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

 

People thought Tuchel was a defensive manager, but Potter is more defensive than I have seen us in a long time. There is nothing going on in attack at all.

He was a defensive manager that based his tactic on full-backs and pressing and we already had problems attacking adding the fact that we didn't win matches against Man United either. We were terrible defensively under Tuchel prior to his sack and Potter is putting us back on track after all Tuchel started also with some draws and minimal wins of a goal difference here and there and it was an improvement due to how terrible we were defensively prior to Tuchel. 

Under Potter more of our goals come from the front line, this is just the start so people need to be patient.

15 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Then that is surely on Potter. If we can't do the things were we doing well under Tuchel with the same formation, then that suggests Potter has changed things for the worse.

We have surrendered the possession game, so that is one thing he has gotten wrong. He's not having us press as effectively, which doesn't help when you have Loftus-Cheek starting most games and he has our attackers and wing backs so deep. Why are we not seeing the wing backs overlapping and linking up with the wide midfielders? Why are Sterling and Mount running at 5 opposition players with the wing backs behind them and a striker suffocated by opposition defenders? They have no chance of linking up with anybody, Mount and Sterling are basically running against a wall. Where are the midfielders like Kovacic to pull a defender away and create space for the attackers. 

People thought Tuchel was a defensive manager, but Potter is more defensive than I have seen us in a long time. There is nothing going on in attack at all.

But we haven't been doing any of that well for a long period - one game against Real Madrid in 2022 doesn't change that; one game that we lost, anyway. We have shown very little since that point. Leeds took us apart (possession means nothing when you get trashed); Southampton took us apart. 

We have not been great since December 2021. In fact, in the form table, from that point onwards, we were placed 6th until the end of the season. We had a good start to the season that saved us with getting top four (Thankfully, Manutd were useless and Arsenal were inconsistent, also). But it has been a long time since we have been operating at a high level under Tuchel.

Potter isn't more defensive than Tuchel, if you ever watched his Brighton team. They are very forward thinking. It will take time to install into a team that has been, by nature, very defensive.

Edited October 22, 20223 yr by Chelsc96

37 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I knew that a back 3 won't work, poor start of the match tactically but at least mr Potter fixed it soon enough. Unlucky to concede a goal from Casemiro there, Chiwell fell asleep.

Overall these draws can mean that at some point we'll improve and start winning matches so I hope that will be the case. Maybe a player in January is a must.

It's the main thing I have been concerned about with Graham Potter. I desperately want him to work out for us but the criticism of him throughout his tenure at Brighton was the lack of goals. His answer. Danny Welbeck!!!!

Can I be the first to wheel out ‘he hasn’t had a proper pre-season’ excuse?

10 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Then that is surely on Potter. If we can't do the things were we doing well under Tuchel with the same formation, then that suggests Potter has changed things for the worse.

We have surrendered the possession game, so that is one thing he has gotten wrong. He's not having us press as effectively, which doesn't help when you have Loftus-Cheek starting most games and he has our attackers and wing backs so deep. Why are we not seeing the wing backs overlapping and linking up with the wide midfielders? Why are Sterling and Mount running at 5 opposition players with the wing backs behind them and a striker suffocated by opposition defenders? They have no chance of linking up with anybody, Mount and Sterling are basically running against a wall. Where are the midfielders like Kovacic to pull a defender away and create space for the attackers. 

People thought Tuchel was a defensive manager, but Potter is more defensive than I have seen us in a long time. There is nothing going on in attack at all.

It got nothing to do with potter. We couldn't press Liverpool in fa cup final. It was the same thing. It comes down who our two midfielder are. 

Our wb was way behind all the time because we could not build up anything from the back They have to drop deep to help our cb. Usually the way we broke opp press is by using kante/kova/Reece run. It turns out all 3 are injured 

 

I kinda suspect this. Kova hasn't looked right all season. 

14 minutes ago, Droy said:

You don't actually believe its all in the formation do you? Thats what matters the least.

Its what you do within your framework that matters and we were the best pressers in the f**king game back then with TT. Potter seemingly can't organize a press to save his life. We are disjointed, we don't press as a unit so there is massive gaps between attack and our deep sitting defence so teams carve through us.

First half today was one of the most pathethic things i've ever seen at the Bridge.

 

If you don't understand the difference between pressing with Kante than with jorgi then I can't help you 

4 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

If you don't understand the difference between pressing with Kante than with jorgi then I can't help you 

The difference is that 3v2 will always win the midfield, this is why Potter's starting tactic didn't work at all so you can forget about pressing with any 2 midfielders there.

8 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

If you don't understand the difference between pressing with Kante than with jorgi then I can't help you 

We pressed our way to the Champions League with Jorginho as a starter. You are way off.

Potter can't organize us. Thats the obvious issue.

35 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

The majority of this squad is not top level, his only hope is players like Carney, Hutchinson, Casadei and Broja hit the ground running like Saka and Martinelli did for Arsenal.

Three year wait for that to happen and Arteta had the fortune of coming up against Chelsea sides that choked and helped him get trophies and kick starting their seasons whilst rebuilding

29 minutes ago, Mod said:

I wasn’t a big Tommy fan at the end by any means and did think his days were well numbered long before, but sacking him to bring in a Brighton manager is a bit silly!

Does it matter where they were before or is the quality that matters? The very established and pretty much legendary Hasselbaink was thrown out to make room for a certain striker who had played one season of top football over in the far-worse-than-PL Ligue 1. Turned out alright. Petr Cech came from a mid-table club in France; didn't have much negative impact on his quality, did it? And Di Matteo's most recent manager job before taking over Chelsea was with WBA. I have a vague memory he won a title or two for you.

Of course it is natural and healthy to criticise players and managers but the argument "he was in a worse club before so he must be sh*t" is a pretty bad one.

We simply don't shoot enough to be able to score enough goals to put games to bed. 16 goals in 11 games is all we have managed in the PL this season. You are never going to win titles if that is all you can do ... 

8 minutes ago, SwedishEntity said:

Does it matter where they were before or is the quality that matters? The very established and pretty much legendary Hasselbaink was thrown out to make room for a certain striker who had played one season of top football over in the far-worse-than-PL Ligue 1. Turned out alright. Petr Cech came from a mid-table club in France; didn't have much negative impact on his quality, did it? And Di Matteo's most recent manager job before taking over Chelsea was with WBA. I have a vague memory he won a title or two for you.

Of course it is natural and healthy to criticise players and managers but the argument "he was in a worse club before so he must be sh*t" is a pretty bad one.

It's of course quality that matters but the man is quite obviously making junior mistakes every single game so where is the quality? Brighton is the club where you get away with that, here you don't.

We genuinely look like crap. Compare this to how we looked one year ago and it's crazy how much we have regressed.

10 minutes ago, SwedishEntity said:

Does it matter where they were before or is the quality that matters? The very established and pretty much legendary Hasselbaink was thrown out to make room for a certain striker who had played one season of top football over in the far-worse-than-PL Ligue 1. Turned out alright. Petr Cech came from a mid-table club in France; didn't have much negative impact on his quality, did it? And Di Matteo's most recent manager job before taking over Chelsea was with WBA. I have a vague memory he won a title or two for you.

Of course it is natural and healthy to criticise players and managers but the argument "he was in a worse club before so he must be sh*t" is a pretty bad one.

As a connoisseur of Potter teams, which of our players do you see as a good fit for what GP wants his teams to do, and which players are on borrowed time ?

2 minutes ago, Droy said:

It's of course quality that matters but the man is quite obviously making junior mistakes every single game so where is the quality? Brighton is the club where you get away with that, here you don't.

We genuinely look like crap. Compare this to how we looked one year ago and it's crazy how much we have regressed.

A lot of things happen less than a year ago, we were already bad under Tuchel. We just had over 600 minutes without conceding, when Tuchel came in we also improved defensively and it was a positive thing so it's a lot more going on than just these latest draws.

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

A lot of things happen less than a year ago, we were already bad under Tuchel. We just had over 600 minutes without conceding, when Tuchel came in we also improved defensively and it was a positive thing so it's a lot more going on than just these latest draws.

Our peak until Tuchel was probably about a year ago where we were on a great run leading up to the 4-0 against Juve, and playing some good football. Then Reece and Chilwell got injured and we never recovered. Our football quickly started to stagnate and Tuchel ultimately paid the price. Under Potter it has been a bit mixed so far. We have let fewer goals in of late, but a lot of credit there has to go to Kepa. Our attacking play still doesn't look fluent, although I do think Potter is more willing to make subs and seems to give some of the younger players more of a chance. Feels like not much will change in this busy run of fixtures leading up to the World cup. Based we can do is make sure we stay in contention for top 4 and get out of our Champs League group. Hopefully Potter will have more time to stamp his identity on the team by the time football restarts again after the World Cup.

 

18 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

We simply don't shoot enough to be able to score enough goals to put games to bed. 16 goals in 11 games is all we have managed in the PL this season. You are never going to win titles if that is all you can do ... 

Win titles? We haven't been in a title race for about 5-6 years. We're a side that just tries to finish top 4 these days.