33 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

F*ck I just lost my bet 😂 3rd time now betting on Potter to be the next manager sacked

Reach out...

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1 hour ago, CFCCAN said:

Without teaching anyone to suck eggs - having been involved in many corporate takeovers - 'change' is inevitable; but one thing is needed is a competent team leader to ensure the change over from one culture to the next is successful.  Yes it's painful, some employees buy in some don't, and it takes time to succeed. However, you don't go and sack the entire Senior management team within weeks of taking over or you will have no clue how things work.  Yes, you can gradually let the old regime go and slowly introduce the new culture. I have been involved in a couple of take overs here where Canadian companies were taken over by Americans, each one was a near disaster as they do have the tendency to be like a bull in a China shop, because they think they know best, so the way Boehly has acted is no surprise to some of us here in North America.

However, I don't think anyone on here believed that a change of direction and the culture of continually sacking managers could continue. While it may have been successful for the last 20 years, it was a roller coaster from one day to the next; managers in, managers out, none of them knew from one day to next whether they would be hanging around after a couple of losses.   Like I said earlier, the Management team being brought in has to be competent, to get the buy in of the employees, in this case the players, and that is my problem with appointing Potter. It was a disastrous appointment.  He had no experience working with a club of this size; extremely limited experience working with players of this class, a majority of which were winners; his CV would have been tossed aside at any of what you may consider World Class clubs, Real Madrid, Bayern, Barca to name but three; we are a World Class club, our trophy cabinet proves it.  Boehly said on Potters appointment that had great stats / metrics for him to be the one to lead our team through the transition...I think his stat man handed him the wrong sheet, because there is nothing on his resume that would suggest that he could take this mammoth of a club and move it forward and away from its previous culture.  

While many fans would look at the 30+ man squad and with all its talent, I'm sure it would not be easy for any manager to select 11 starters while keeping the other 20 on board.  However, after 6+ months he still can't pick a regular starting 11, he continually tinkers, continually makes bad choices, continually plays players out of position and for a majority of the time in his game management is untimely and appalling, especially when everyone in the crowd can see it except him it appears.  

Defensively we are shambles of the team we used to be, the midfield is a disaster, despite bringing in Enzo, because he has no one around him capable of playing at his level; maybe with Kante back we will hopefully see some improvement, but yesterday where was Kante playing? no idea. The forward line has been shocking since the day Costa left and no-one has fixed it, so while I don't put all this on Potter he has an abundance of choice of attacking players, more than the previous managers, yet he still hasn't made a difference and then benched and made an outcast of the only player who's career is scoring goals.   Now I keep hearing the pundits stating he had the same problem at Brighton, that his team couldn't score despite the number of chances created. It seems he's brought that mentality and trait to SW6.  Shame Boehly's stat man never included that in his dashboard.

With the amount of talent we have, we should never be in this position. While we don't have a God given right to be in the top 4 and fighting for trophies every season, spending £600 mill and being mid-table with 10 games left is truly an embarrassment, and for all this talent to be laid at the feet of Potter is stupidity on behalf of Boehly.  The other thing that irks me no end is the same drivel he dishes up at his post match press conferences and its becoming more laughable each week. 

He needs to go before he loses the dressing room. These players are winners and we are not winning. However, I doubt Boehly will fire him before the end of the season as there is nothing to play for in the league anyway and it's unlikely that we will get drawn into the relegation battle and it would cost the club a few mill I would imagine.   We are not expected to get past Real Madrid, although stranger things have happened, but I just can't see Carlo, a legend, being out coached by Potter somehow so I think its safe to say our season is done and dusted under Potter.

For me it's Potter out at the end of the season.  He should have gone to another club, bigger than Brighton before coming here, if that was his destiny, but to bring him in at the time Boehly did was misguided. 

Post of the day. Excellent 

15 minutes ago, abister1 said:

He will get sacked at the end of the season. If he doesn't then it's obvious Todd doesn't know what he's doing and I'll be at the bridge with the "you don't know what you're doing Boehly" banner first game of the bridge next season. 

At this point it's almost ike a parody. I do wonder if there is a luckier man in football and I will bet my house on the fact that after his Chelsea tenure he will never go near any big team again as the world can see his deficiencies laid bare. 

TT just landed an even bigger job than Chelsea, go do same Graham, I dare you. 

He won't have. He'll have enough dough to buy his own island and retire

4 minutes ago, evissy said:

Let's say we stuck with Tuchel. The club would have to bite their tongue with him the entire season and his behaviour. They couldn't follow their plans with him. That is no long term solution. Let's say we finished 7th under him. So slightly better than with Potter. I actuality being 14th or 7th on the table makes no difference.

600m spent and 11th argument doesn't hold water either. It is something you have picked up on media. Look at what we bought and look how big the squad is. If we bought Trossards instead of Mudryks we would signal we want top4 right away. We didn't. We went another route. There is no guarantees you bring in De Zerbi and he does any better. Absolutely none. And he smells like a project coach anyway.

I am not backing Potter the man or the coach but longevity. Judge him on results couple seasons on. Then we can talk about his talent.

We don't finish 7th under Tuchel. This squad is objectively stronger than last years, which he got top 4 easily with despite an injury crisis and getting to three cup finals. Joao Felix, Enzo Fernandez and Fofana are huge upgrades. I wouldn't consider Badiashile much of a downgrade on Rudiger either. I'd be shocked if we finished 5th under Tuchel, let alone 7th. 

 

'Without Tuchel's points we were literally walking into a relegation battle' was how the tweet ended. Sums it up really 

Edited April 2, 20233 yr by Drogba1

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

We don't finish 7th under Tuchel. This squad is objectively stronger than last years, which he got top 4 easily with despite an injury crisis and getting to three cup finals. Joao Felix, Enzo Fernandez and Fofana are huge upgrades. I wouldn't consider Badiashile much of a downgrade on Rudiger either. I'd be shocked if we finished 5th under Tuchel, let alone 7th. 

I agree. Supposedly there were off the field reasons behind Tuchel's departure (although none of us knows the truth behind that). But even though things didn't look right at the start of the season, we still managed to amass a respectable 10 points from 6 games in the league. We got off to a terrible start in the Champions League admittedly but that might have turned around under Tuchel. We will never know if he would have managed top 4, and his mental health may have been an issue at the time, but we wouldn't have been any worse off and it would have provided time to install the new Director of Football etc. Once appointed, Vivell should have been the group that made the decision on any manager change, and not Boehly.

1 minute ago, evissy said:

Let's say we stuck with Tuchel. The club would have to bite their tongue with him the entire season and his behaviour. They couldn't follow their plans with him. That is no long term solution. Let's say we finished 7th under him. So slightly better than with Potter. I actuality being 14th or 7th on the table makes no difference.

So you think Tuchel would have come 7th? That's a low opinion you have of the man that since he started managing in top level football has never finished below 4th. 

The behaviour you speak of is what even? 

At the end of the day, the owners have the right to do what they like but as custodians of the club, a club of this nature, they should have a duty of care to be more purposeful and pay attention to the present status as well as the future of the club. 

It wasn't very strategic and that's at best, at worse and to call it what it is, was actually silly to let go a winner and appoint a non winner with the so called ambitions they have. 

A better plan would have been to write off the season with Tuchel in charge and use the whole season to hunt  the best managers in the world and put them through a competitive recruitment process. 

Not just offer the job to a lackey within 24hrs of letting go TT. 

Graham Potters 22 matches have yielded 21 goals for and 21 against. Over that time his team’s accumulated xG is 28.3, while the accumulated xG against is 27.2.

 

And people were having a go at Tuchel for not being attacking enough. Even our xG is sh*te under Potter over 22 games. 

17 minutes ago, coco said:

Reach out...

https://www.gamblersanonymous.org.uk/

Yep come on over @Drogba1 We have cookies and scrunched-up bet slips!

One of Tuchels last post match interviews, he looked a broken man, and when asked what needed to be done, all he could do was shrug and mumble "i don't know". Perhaps it would have been better sending him on gardening leave, and having a caretaker look after things until he was fit to come back.

I doubt we'll ever know the truth of what really happened. But Clearlake rushed in Potter, i suspect he was tapped up beforehand, and they were waiting for the excuse to pull the trigger.

 

Back in November, aged like wine. 

1 hour ago, Drogba1 said:

Kneejerking? He has 19 points in his last 19 league games, that would literally get us relegated over a whole season.

 

There's plenty of managers that can integrate young players. Amorim integrated loads with Sportong when he won their first league title in 19 years. If it wasn't for Tuchels first 6 games we'd genuinely be in a relegation scrap.

 

And for all of this 'integration', Mason Mount has been frozen out of the team and will most likely leave. Datro Fofana and Carney barely get minutes (not sure why we signed them), and the young players like Enzo, Badiashile and Fofana would be regulars under any manager.

 

Not every struggling manager turns into Arteta. I know you say you don't support Potter because he's Potter but that's what it sounds like. We're Chelsea fans, not Potter fans. We want the club to do well, if Potter can do that great but its looked the complete opposite ever since he came here. 

 

Every excuse under the sun has been made for Potter. 'He has injuries' 'The squads bad we need to sign players' 'He needs time to train the team' 'Look at Arteta' 'We were just as bad under Tuchel'. 

 

It's been 7 months, Potter's sh*t end of. Frank Lampard with no mangerial experience (and who went on to fail at Everton) outperformed him massively whilst on a transfer ban. 600m spent and we're 11th, and I don't think we break 45 points this season given our fixtures. I didn't want Potter in the first place but I didn't think we'd be this sh*te. I've never seen a manger this protected by some sections of the fanbase and the media ever in football.

Damn !

You've uncovered the conspiracy between some of us Chelsea fans and the media . 

😆😆😆

On 09/09/2022 at 09:56, Pottery said:

As a Brighton supporter I am amazed how you all are happy with this appointment. Good luck and hope it works out but you are taking a mighty big chance. So surprised a club like Chelsea have not gone for someone who has experience right at top of game. Potter has done well for us a side that thinks its a great achievement to finish half way. I think we won 3 of last 4 and finished 9th.  Our football is good to watch but not in last third. Only 3 sides last year scored less.  Great coach at Brighton  but different now you expect to win every game.   Just have a feeling at your level you now have a yes man that will not say boo to owner.  Very little emotion watching games and will never question a referee decision.  

Know nothing about previous manager but at least won things which is a must for Chelsea   Sure he had too much to say to owner

Another dodgy poster in all your other posts again mainly about Potter you write as a Chelsea fan so are you in fact @Tubbs Tattsyrup @TimesUpPotter @HazardousChoice

 

4 hours ago, abister1 said:

The irony of someone taking umbrage at a fan saying happy for Chelsea to lose if it means the man primarily responsible, who the buck stops with for those losses, gets the heave ho. 

When umbrage taker is fan no 1 of the man responsible for the most woeful performances of Chelsea in over 2 decades. Are they not both same thing? One happy for the team to lose, the other happy for the team to continue under direction of manager who in his most excellent of performances will lose more than he wins. 

No, your point of view is no more valid than the other even though you want to drape it in full honour and virtue regalia. 

I don't think anyone is a fan of Potter. There are some however who think or hope that given time it will come right, and also given the owners committment to move away from the old hire and fire culture that he is unlikely to be sacked

5 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

My concern is, as I have mentioned before, every player he works with here seems to deteriorate under him, possibly with one or two exceptions. I thought the reason he was signed was because of his ability to work with players and improve them and the team. Seen none of that, in fact big money players look more and more average with each passing week

I can think of loads of players under past managers who have got worse after starting well.

Werner, Mendy, Lukaku,  Morata etc etc etc .

And Doug Rougvy ( what a bastard surname to get right !)

5 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

My concern is, as I have mentioned before, every player he works with here seems to deteriorate under him, possibly with one or two exceptions. I thought the reason he was signed was because of his ability to work with players and improve them and the team. Seen none of that, in fact big money players look more and more average with each passing week

I can think of loads of players under past managers who have got worse after starting well.

Werner, Mendy, Lukaku,  Morata etc etc etc .

And Doug Rougvy ( what a bastard surname to get right !)

24 minutes ago, bluehaze said:

Another dodgy poster in all your other posts again mainly about Potter you write as a Chelsea fan so are you in fact @Tubbs Tattsyrup @TimesUpPotter @HazardousChoice

Pottery is actually a legit Brighton fan from Brighton as far as I know.

1 minute ago, The Rising Sun said:

I don't think anyone is a fan of Potter. There are some however who think or hope that given time it will come right, and also given the owners committment to move away from the old hire and fire culture that he is unlikely to be sacked

I see why one will want away from the hire and fire model. I'm all for stability but I'm not one blinded by a burning desire to be "socially compliant" and seen as giving managers time when really that's the world of football we operate in these days. 

I can count clubs in the same league as us who have sacked managers as much as we have done when things aren't going as expected. They don't get called out for it as we do. It's just associated as something with the ruthless bad Russian who was at the helm but it's not true. Just as they said about the footballers.... Johnny Foreigner with their diving and play acting when ALL footballers do it these days. It's not their innate nature, it's down to the tactical nature of the competitive sport and gaining any advantage as you can get away with from the officials.

I was a xenophobe and used bad Russian in example above because I want to point out the hypocrisy as even Chelsea in our so called past sacked managers. Before Roman in the last 2 to 3 decades we had more short stint managers than long stint ones. It's just all propaganda and unconscious bias which I don't subscribe to and I'm able to look at the data myself and judge. 

What is the point of hoping that time will produce different. That's why there is the term blind hope..

Is there anything that suggests Potter will win a league apart from blind hope?

Is there anything that suggests that he can handle football at the level Chelsea operate apart from blind hope? 

Is there anything that suggests over a full season that he can best managers like Pep, Klopp, Ten Haag, Emery, Bowie, Lopetegui, Arteta tactically? There are more but that's us out of Europe already.

Is there anything that suggests he can handle world class or on the cusp of world class players on a training pitch and dressing room apart from blind hope? 

Well I for one can only hope blindly that Todd and team know what they are doing. The thing with these things is they can set the team on a wrong trajectory and set us back for years. 

Look at Juande Ramos at Spurs, won Carling cup but finished 11th. Still got the backing of the bosses and next season they were forced to chop him when they were firmly in the relegation zone and that's a manager that achieved far greater at Seville than GP has ever done. But that cost them a great deal until Pochettino came along. 

Man Utd are still paying for their lack of due diligence when appointing a manager after Fergie, 10 years after the man himself left. Moyes was not a bad manager by any stretch of the imagination but wasn't the manager to be backed against competition like there was at the time. And even then it wasn't as competitive as it is now. 

Gosh this is getting long. Will stop here. 

20 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

I can think of loads of players under past managers who have got worse after starting well.

Werner, Mendy, Lukaku,  Morata etc etc etc .

And Doug Rougvy ( what a bastard surname to get right !)

Technically I don't think Werner ever really got off the ground. Same really for Morata, maybe one or two decent headed goals. Lukaku pissed on his own chips with that interview.

Doug Rougvie never was anything other than a clogged in my book anyway.

The point I am making is that these guys are deteriorating simultaneously under the same management team.

1 hour ago, guddy69 said:

our most gifted players "RLC"...😭🙄

Hoho... talking about James - I dunno what RLC was doing on the pitch!

20 minutes ago, Mod said:

Pottery is actually a legit Brighton fan from Brighton as far as I know.

He said he was in his first post but every other post he says he's a Chelsea fan and posts we etc. Think he's tripped himself up here doesn't come as a Brighton fan to me maybe a very confused one perhaps 😆

Pottery replied to coco's topic in Chelsea FC Match Chat

How very sad. We are Chelsea, spent £200m on players and here we are praising the side because they worked hard. I am sorry but with financial backing we have , minimum should be competing for a C/L place. Newcastle are proving it is not buying loads of players but playing as a team and...

 

Pottery replied to coco's topic in General Chelsea FC

Never realised we have also taken Brightons head of recruitment. Where do we stop. They cant have many senior staff left

 

Pottery replied to coco's topic in General Chelsea FC

I just dont understand what the attraction is in taking Brightons recruitment team. No disrespect they look for players that will keep them in PL.. We are in a different market altogether.

How on earth isn’t Potter sacked by now? What a joke.

3 hours ago, Tubbs Tattsyrup said:

Jim, just a hunch but would I be right in thinking that, politically, you sit to the left of centre ? Probably, I am thinking, very far to the left lol.

Wrong. Firm Tory 😂

14 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Technically I don't think Werner ever really got off the ground. Same really for Morata, maybe one or two decent headed goals. Lukaku pissed on his own chips with that interview.

Doug Rougvie never was anything other than a clogged in my book anyway.

The point I am making is that these guys are deteriorating simultaneously under the same management team.

I still get ribbed by my mates about my opinion that Doug was a full back who was cultured and " didn't just whack the ball anywhere"

Unless we can settle on a regular team and  formation so players can build a bond and understanding it's always going to be disjointed. 

The squad is bloated , it needs sorting out. But no matter what happens with Potter we still have an owner who wants our club run on a basis that is different to the old model, which despite being successful was unprofitable and loaded with debt.

The biggest disaster for me is not Potter so much as the long term contracts that I fear will stifle and hamper the club in the long term.

Thanks for your reply, can't wait for this season to end !

 

 

43 minutes ago, abister1 said:

I see why one will want away from the hire and fire model. I'm all for stability but I'm not one blinded by a burning desire to be "socially compliant" and seen as giving managers time when really that's the world of football we operate in these days. 

I can count clubs in the same league as us who have sacked managers as much as we have done when things aren't going as expected. They don't get called out for it as we do. It's just associated as something with the ruthless bad Russian who was at the helm but it's not true. Just as they said about the footballers.... Johnny Foreigner with their diving and play acting when ALL footballers do it these days. It's not their innate nature, it's down to the tactical nature of the competitive sport and gaining any advantage as you can get away with from the officials.

I was a xenophobe and used bad Russian in example above because I want to point out the hypocrisy as even Chelsea in our so called past sacked managers. Before Roman in the last 2 to 3 decades we had more short stint managers than long stint ones. It's just all propaganda and unconscious bias which I don't subscribe to and I'm able to look at the data myself and judge. 

What is the point of hoping that time will produce different. That's why there is the term blind hope..

Is there anything that suggests Potter will win a league apart from blind hope?

Is there anything that suggests that he can handle football at the level Chelsea operate apart from blind hope? 

Is there anything that suggests over a full season that he can best managers like Pep, Klopp, Ten Haag, Emery, Bowie, Lopetegui, Arteta tactically? There are more but that's us out of Europe already.

Is there anything that suggests he can handle world class or on the cusp of world class players on a training pitch and dressing room apart from blind hope? 

Well I for one can only hope blindly that Todd and team know what they are doing. The thing with these things is they can set the team on a wrong trajectory and set us back for years. 

Look at Juande Ramos at Spurs, won Carling cup but finished 11th. Still got the backing of the bosses and next season they were forced to chop him when they were firmly in the relegation zone and that's a manager that achieved far greater at Seville than GP has ever done. But that cost them a great deal until Pochettino came along. 

Man Utd are still paying for their lack of due diligence when appointing a manager after Fergie, 10 years after the man himself left. Moyes was not a bad manager by any stretch of the imagination but wasn't the manager to be backed against competition like there was at the time. And even then it wasn't as competitive as it is now. 

Gosh this is getting long. Will stop here. 

You mentioned Ferguson ... United fans wanted him sacked too , his start was rubbish.

 Doesn't mean that every sh*te manager is bound to turn into a Ferguson I know !

Thanks for your reply though, I understand your frustration, I'm not happy either, no one is to be fair. 

Apart from the blind hope you mention I've got my fingers crossed too !

Take care