58 minutes ago, Gordon Bennett said:

He's now been disqualified from driving because of speeding and running a red light (2 separate incidents).

He's turning into the Argentinian Ravel Morrison.

Our esteemed Captain has been banned from driving for 6 months and racked up @ 4k quid in fines on 3 speeding charges, failure to cooperate and missing court. TBH why would anyone want a super car in the UK?  The British PoPo are not going to allow that gangster sh*t.

Why is someone at the club now hiring someone to advise him. The amount of money we've wasted on him we need to protect the asset. 

6 hours ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Our esteemed Captain has been banned from driving for 6 months and racked up @ 4k quid in fines on 3 speeding charges, failure to cooperate and missing court. TBH why would anyone want a super car in the UK?  The British PoPo are not going to allow that gangster sh*t.

 

He’s such a prat. What a clever decision it was to give him the armband in Reeces absence

 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

Exactly what some predicted and as it should be. Nice one

If anyone comes in with a big offer we should take it.

He’s getting worse and worse, compare him to Caicedo it’s night and day.

45 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

If anyone comes in with a big offer we should take it.

He’s getting worse and worse, compare him to Caicedo it’s night and day.

He's so poor. If he didn't have the reputation and the pricetag we'd get shot of him in a hurry. But owners made him captain to ensure he plays of course.

I don't actually think there's anything he excels at on the pitch. Decent at some things and poor at others but not top class at anything at all as far as I can tell but i'd invite his biggest fans to name something.

 

We can only speculate but with the driving charges and poor performances it looks like he's not taking things seriously enough. 

Needs to grow up and apply himself. I'm beginning to question if there really is a player in there. Maresca will certainly have his work cut out to turn things around. 

I'd start him against Barrow and say to him that he's dropped if he doesn't put in a very good performance. 

Maresca will keep playing him in this role until Enzo finally grasps it. He wants to turn him into Gundogan. 
 

 

14 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

He's so poor. If he didn't have the reputation and the pricetag we'd get shot of him in a hurry. But owners made him captain to ensure he plays of course.

I don't actually think there's anything he excels at on the pitch. Decent at some things and poor at others but not top class at anything at all as far as I can tell but i'd invite his biggest fans to name something.

 

As long as we play inverted fb with Enzo push high, Enzo won't ever looks good. 

 

34 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Maresca will keep playing him in this role until Enzo finally grasps it. He wants to turn him into Gundogan. 
 

 

Even if he does grasps it, which is unlikely as it’s already been attempted before, it’s still not the best use of him as a player. 

8 minutes ago, Remodez said:

Even if he does grasps it, which is unlikely as it’s already been attempted before, it’s still not the best use of him as a player. 

We’ll see. He's still very young. 

1 hour ago, OriginalS said:

He's so poor. If he didn't have the reputation and the pricetag we'd get shot of him in a hurry. But owners made him captain to ensure he plays of course.

I don't actually think there's anything he excels at on the pitch. Decent at some things and poor at others but not top class at anything at all as far as I can tell but i'd invite his biggest fans to name something.

 

Ah, it's Jorginho you're talking about isn't it?

I thought he was pretty effective today. We won 3-0 and he was a big part of the engine room. Caicedo was a different level, but no complaints on Enzo. 

2 hours ago, PhilH930 said:

I thought he was pretty effective today. We won 3-0 and he was a big part of the engine room. Caicedo was a different level, but no complaints on Enzo. 

Agreed but for me he’s not a definite starter once Lavia is fully fit.

His passing ability is very high but his mobility isn’t great. I don’t think he’s suited to the PL and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Lavia starts ahead of him imo.

Hes like a double edged sword but the pointy bit which is effective isnt sharp... 

That's probably the best way to describe him right now

 

 

7 hours ago, Remodez said:

Even if he does grasps it, which is unlikely as it’s already been attempted before, it’s still not the best use of him as a player. 

I don't understand this discussion about grasping it. Playing attacker from tactical pov/position understanding is very easy.

 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Bob stark said:

I don't understand this discussion about grasping it. Playing attacker from tactical pov/position understanding is very easy.

 

 

 

 

I don't mean actually understanding it and what to do, I mean being good at it which he isn't so far. 

he's just lucky Lavia is always injured and the owners sold Gallagher

That’s a pretty good question to have actually.

Who would you take, Enzo or Gallagher?

Enzo is supposed to be one of world’s best young midfielders and we had to move fast to fend off interest from big clubs in CL.

Gallagher has his limitations and isn’t great with creativity.

Give me Gallagher over Enzo any day. He’s so much more effective

On 22/09/2024 at 01:23, Sconnie Blue said:

Maresca will keep playing him in this role until Enzo finally grasps it. He wants to turn him into Gundogan. 
 

 

Gundogan played as a deep-lying playmaker for the vast majority of his career and was even signed initially as DM by City. It was only in 2021 where he was shoehorned into a more attacking role during a City injury crisis, and became a brilliant goalscorer, did anyone see him as anything other than a deep-lying playmaker.

4 minutes ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Gundogan played as a deep-lying playmaker for the vast majority of his career and was even signed initially as DM by City. It was only in 2021 where he was shoehorned into a more attacking role during a City injury crisis, and became a brilliant goalscorer, did anyone see him as anything other than a deep-lying playmaker.

Yeah Maresca says he sees his value in being a holding midfielder and attacking midfielder, hence why Enzo will probably always start in that role. Needs to grow into that attacking player Maresca wants him to be.  

3 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Yeah Maresca says he sees his value in being a holding midfielder and attacking midfielder, hence why Enzo will probably always start in that role. Needs to grow into that attacking player Maresca wants him to be.  

As I posted earlier in this thread, it's also worthwhile remembering that Maresca himself was the same sort of player and had to learn the same lessons.

The big difference between Fernandez and Xavi, Modric, Gundogan and even Maresca is urgency. Though revered for their flair they played with energy and determination and Fernandez often lacks that in his club football. 

As a case in point from last game, the amount of lazy through-balls he attempted in the early game, which were simply underhit and careless. Improved later in the game but we've got to see him move from merely 'neat and tidy' to effective.

7 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Gundogan played as a deep-lying playmaker for the vast majority of his career and was even signed initially as DM by City. It was only in 2021 where he was shoehorned into a more attacking role during a City injury crisis, and became a brilliant goalscorer, did anyone see him as anything other than a deep-lying playmaker.

It is not about player position though, it is all about player skillset. 

Let's be frank, Enzo is an elite passer but he is a terrible attacker. The more you push him up the less you get the good stuff and the more you get the bad one. 

Edited September 23, 20241 yr by Bob stark

I think we'd say he's under performing even if we'd only paid £50m for him ... but at £107m he's approaching Lukaku and Kepa levels of value for money in my book ... as it stands he's a lucky boy that Lavia is made of glass and Santos is on loan at Strasbourg.