4 minutes ago, dkw said:

You think in the middle of a big game between massive rivals he suddenly chose to repetitively call him black as a jokey nickname with no malice? Come off it, that's as mornic as the scouse imbeciles excuses.

There was a translation issue where Evra and Saurez were arguing and when Suarez asked Evra what was wrong (por que), Evra interpreted it as because you're (porque eres) negrito. 

Obviously we will never know the full extent of it, but based on the term negrito and from my experience with how its used, I don't personally believe there was malice. 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

My wife is Argentine and she says its very common to use the term negrito as a nickname for their black friends. Zero malice intent. 

Even further, the person doesn't even need to be actually black in order to have that nickname, just darker skin color could be enough and it's completely normal, similarly there are countless of other nicknames like "morenita", actually there is a word in Argentina, "morocho" that just means brunette...

I mean you can laugh all you want @dkw but I am going from my experience. I've been to bloody Reconquista 3 times and I've seen my wife's cousins call their darker friends negrito on occasion. You then have Cavani saying "Gracias Negrito" on social media and Suarez asking what Porque negrito? to Evra. 

2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Even further, the person doesn't even need to be actually black in order to have that nickname, just darker skin color could be enough and it's completely normal, similarly there are countless of other nicknames like "morenita", actually there is a word in Argentina, "morocho" that just means brunette...

This cultural superiority complex really is bizarre towards South Americans. 

So now suarez shouted "what's wrong" loads if times at him? The mental gymnastics here are insane. Are you actually a scouser?

4 minutes ago, dkw said:

So now suarez shouted "what's wrong" loads if times at him? The mental gymnastics here are insane. Are you actually a scouser?

The report added: "After the referee Andre Marriner separated them, Mr Suarez said that he turned to Mr Evra and said, 'Por que, negro?'

"He [Suarez] said that he used the word 'negro' at this point in the way that he did when he was growing up in Uruguay, that is as a friendly form of address to people seen as black or brown-skinned or even just black-haired.

"He [Suarez] said that he used it in the same way that he did when he spoke to Glen Johnson, the Liverpool player.

The commission added: "In our judgment, Mr Suarez's use of the term [negro] was not intended as an attempt at conciliation or to establish rapport; neither was it meant in a conciliatory and friendly way."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/16375325

 

Erm, that link goes completely against your entire argument, what on earth are you doing. This is embarrassing. 

6 minutes ago, dkw said:

Erm, that link goes completely against your entire argument, what on earth are you doing. This is embarrassing. 

The argument that the term negro/negrito is commonly used in South America with zero malice intent? That is the only thing I am arguing. 

Something I wanted to raise was why does a governing commission have the right to determine whether or not another culture's use of the term is malice.

34 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

This cultural superiority complex really is bizarre towards South Americans. 

I think it would be completely irrational to just assume that a language carries that same norms as another one, and the language in question is at the very least equally rich and has a strong culture attached to it.

You could argue that the FA thought that by punishing Cavani, that they are somehow doing him a favor or teaching him a lession or simply showing him that the way he uses his own language is somehow offensive and harmful... They decided for everyone involved that he offended another person from his own culture, his own fan, even though that couldn't have been farther from the actual result of that simple exchange of words on social media between those two people. It's actually mindblowing isn't it, they don't understand Spanish but they actually believe that they should fully judge what Cavani wrote without taking any consideration about where he's from, you could argue that that action alone is actually racist since well, they just tried to deny a whole language/culture since it doesn't follow their own and it was done without actually taking any real approach or angle in order to understand it.

I get the concept of "when in Rome" but if the FA actually cares about being fair towards people, this wasn't the way to do it since saying "gracias negrito" isn't a bad saying. There are some bad words that have been used, e.g. Mexican fans used to chant "puto" every time the opposition goalkeeper had a goal kick, that word is actually swearing so it's a negative word, what Cavani said isn't a negative word in latin-american culture at all. It is bizarre that people actually believe that the rest of the world are exactly like them or that they should be?

The same thing with Mudryk singing a rap song, is there any other word that is seen in such a dramatic way I mean if it was the other way around wouldn't it be strange? Imagnie how would it look like if Slavic people said that the rest shouldn't use the "s" word "Slav" cause it has a whole bunch of negative connotations... For me that would be odd to not allow other people to say the word Slav... They might be Slavs, but they don't own the word itself or do they? Maybe it's just me I'm weird...

My third ex wife's favourite comedian was Eddie Murphy, and we used to travel, her and I, to America to see him all over. Harlem, New Orleans, Georgia, we saw him. Huge black audiences. And by huge I mean in number, rather than their size. Though compared to me, they're all big if you know what I mean? What? It's a compliment! Anyway, did I mention we've been to the USA three times? Samuel's nephew they call me.  So you'll never guess how they refer to one another. Then one day, cos I know the culture, I used the same term. You know, cos I have a masters in the theory of cultural relativity studies. Long story short, it was a big misunderstanding, and I eventually had that cap surgically removed from my 'ass". Shame that I'm not allowed to travel anymore though. 

7 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

What Murdyk did wasn't good but it isn't equivalent to an actual racist. It just shows his ignorance at the time as he decided to recite a word he shouldn't have said. Not to mention he isn't from the Western world so he probably isn't completely schooled on the history of the n-word. Cavani on the other hand actually said something offensive with intent.

I think it will be difficult to think that there is any offensive intent in cavani case. I think It was quite clear it was used in affectionate way.

No injury, thank god. But he does have an illness so that explains the substitution.

 

Edited February 3, 20233 yr by mwblue10

I wanted to see more from him. 

Just now, Deino said:

I wanted to see more from him. 

He was playing sick

Just now, mwblue10 said:

He was playing sick

Yeah, I read what you posted. I just wanted to see more

So why did Potter pick him if he was ill ? 

Not as if we were short of wingers for this one ... 

Potter just said he was ill so why start him FFS

4 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Potter just said he was ill so why start him FFS

 

7 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

So why did Potter pick him if he was ill ? 

Not as if we were short of wingers for this one ... 

Obviously Potter wants to put more people on the treatment table to help with trimming the squad from time to time

/sarcasm

3 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Potter just said he was ill so why start him FFS

Potter actually said he had had a cold and that Mudryk reported he felt heavy-legged at half-time. 

3 minutes ago, just said:

Potter actually said he had had a cold and that Mudryk reported he felt heavy-legged at half-time. 

The point is, why start him? We are not short on wingers

Shouldn't have started if he was ill. But even then we constantly played it down the right and it went to Ziyech, mudryk barely got a sniff.

2 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Shouldn't have started if he was ill. But even then we constantly played it down the right and it went to Ziyech, mudryk barely got a sniff.

Agreed. There was no reason to start Mudryk if he was ill. Not like we are short of wingers.

15 minutes ago, Deino said:

The point is, why start him? We are not short on wingers

Because of the immediate impact he had against Liverpool. 

He is not match fit and apperently ill, so he had no choice but to start him..

/sarcasm off

I really dont undrestand why would he expose him like that, he hasnt played a competitive match far shakhtar since november. And we have options at LW. Until he is completly match fit he should be getting 20-30 min cameos. It is comletley different for Enzo and Badi because they were playing regular games and are match fit so can fit in easier...

25 minutes ago, Blue_Boy said:

He is not match fit and apperently ill, so he had no choice but to start him..

/sarcasm off

I really dont undrestand why would he expose him like that, he hasnt played a competitive match far shakhtar since november. And we have options at LW. Until he is completly match fit he should be getting 20-30 min cameos. It is comletley different for Enzo and Badi because they were playing regular games and are match fit so can fit in easier...

Hard to argue against any of that. Loved the sarcasm LOL