Whats the point of sacking a manager if you're going to replace him with Frank Lampard?

It is hilarious though.

Happy that Graham is out of this mess.

Good luck with your club - you're going to need it...

3 minutes ago, SwedishEntity said:

Whats the point of sacking a manager if you're going to replace him with Frank Lampard?

It is hilarious though.

Happy that Graham is out of this mess.

Good luck with your club - you're going to need it...

We're not replacing him with Lampard though.  At best Lamps would be caretaker until the end of the season, though I don't see that happening for what it's worth.

Also, it was Graham that put us into this mess in the first place...

6 minutes ago, Michael said:

We're not replacing him with Lampard though.  At best Lamps would be caretaker until the end of the season, though I don't see that happening for what it's worth.

Also, it was Graham that put us into this mess in the first place...

If Lampard gets a few good results he might end up getting the job permanently again. I love the guy but he's not a good manager, look how much better Everton have been under Sean Dyche in comparison

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3 minutes ago, Michael said:

We're not replacing him with Lampard though.  At best Lamps would be caretaker until the end of the season, though I don't see that happening for what it's worth.

Also, it was Graham that put us into this mess in the first place...

Time will tell if Graham Potter is the reason for Chelseas difficulties  or if there is a f**kload of things causing troubles that will take years and years to solve.

2 hours ago, RMH said:

As much as I wanted Lampard to stay back when he was sacked, I wouldn't want him to become an interim at the moment. I think that Bruno Salter is good enough until we get a more permanent coach, at least he played players in their positions last night, and that is a change from Potter. Unfortunately, I don't think that Lampard, as a coach, has shown anything since he left us to prove that he is better than Potter (though I loved some of the football we played under him). I can see some positives, Lampard could probably show our players how to score, but then defensively we'd probably regress. Also, this would probably divide again the fan base once he is due to go, and that is something we've had enough of lately.

It's not but it's clear it wasn't tactically that was the problem with Potter (i thought we by in large have looked good from Fulham away and beyond despite results not really following) more his inability to deal with the big club environment.

Enrique is the total opposite, he even put Messi in his place and despite that the Argentine considers him in top 2 of all his coaches. People always cite MSN tax which is fair to a point but the only reason that trio truly existed in the first place (instead of Suarez being wasted out wide) is because he had the bollox to tell Messi he's playing back on the right hand side.

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

If Lampard gets a few good results he might end up getting the job permanently again. I love the guy but he's not a good manager, look how muhc better Everton have been under Sean Dyche in comparison

I don't think we'll go down that road again, even if he did do well, at least in the near future.  It's too soon to bring him back on a permanent basis, he'd need to go away for a few more years and show he's improved but until then a caretaker role is the best we could possibly offer him right now.

28 minutes ago, Argo said:

It's not but it's clear it wasn't tactically that was the problem with Potter (i thought we by in large have looked good from Fulham away and beyond despite results not really following) more his inability to deal with the big club environment.

Enrique is the total opposite, he even put Messi in his place and despite that the Argentine considers him in top 2 of all his coaches. People always cite MSN tax which is fair to a point but the only reason that trio truly existed in the first place (instead of Suarez being wasted out wide) is because he had the bollox to tell Messi he's playing back on the right hand side.

If it's someone with bollox that we are looking for, I would have preferred Sean Dyche to Luis Enrique to be honest. I just don't see the hype for Luis Enrique when he's one of the worst Spanish national team coach in the last 40 years.

21 minutes ago, RMH said:

If it's someone with bollox that we are looking for, I would have preferred Sean Dyche to Luis Enrique to be honest. I just don't see the hype for Luis Enrique when he's one of the worst Spanish national team coach in the last 40 years.

Look at their team. 😄

1 hour ago, RMH said:

I don't like the idea of Luis Enrique. His CV is biased by Barcelona's great team, but with Celta he did nothing different to what Potter did at Brighton and he has failed with Spains national team. He is one of the worst coaches Spain has had in the last 40 years in terms of winning % (the third worst winning % since 1982 in official competitions (excluding friendlies) according to the wikipedia https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Entrenadores_de_la_selección_de_fútbol_de_España and some Spanish newspapers). Lastly, I don't like the football he plays, I find it boring.

Yeah seems like a "hope he turns out like Pep" appointment.

29 minutes ago, RMH said:

If it's someone with bollox that we are looking for, I would have preferred Sean Dyche to Luis Enrique to be honest. I just don't see the hype for Luis Enrique when he's one of the worst Spanish national team coach in the last 40 years.

I think International football is a bit detached from club football, Flick is so far failing with Germany but created (in my opinion) the best club side since Pep's Barca. Southgate has done a decent job with England but would relegate a PL side. Also Scolari had an excellent spell as an international coach but was all at sea here.

I wouldn't be against Nagelsmann or even Pochettino at this point (don't think he's as good as made out but can't argue with his record of improving raw players which we need right now) but I think Enrique is the best of both worlds right now, proven he can get the best out of what he's got and deal with the pressure of a big club environment. Also with him here we may have half a chance at poaching Gavi if Barcelona can't get his contract situation sorted.

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Where is Heynecks as interim when you need him lol. 

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7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Look at their team. 😄

Yeah, I mean that 1982 Spanish team is legendary in our Spanish minds but still... 

Enrique

Pochettino

Nagelsmann

 

Not a bad list of 3 managers to choose from. 

1 hour ago, Michael said:

I don't think we'll go down that road again, even if he did do well, at least in the near future.  It's too soon to bring him back on a permanent basis, he'd need to go away for a few more years and show he's improved but until then a caretaker role is the best we could possibly offer him right now.

Last night when .i saw him in the stands i didn't even make the connection to him possibly being offered the interim job. Having read the speculations I thought at least he knows the club, and then realised he knew the club under Abramovich, he's just as new as anybody else now it's under Clearlake rule. He still knows a few players and he knows the PL, that's all. Would that be an improvement on Bruno, knowing he got sacked in a relatively short time at two PL clubs? I don't know... still love the idea though, but that's all it is, an idea and not cold hard reality [stifled sob].

I would have put JT in as interim manager assuming he fancied helping out, but for the next permanent manager, if available and if he would come back to SW6, I would love Carlo, a man with proper gravitas who absolutely knows how to man manage superstar footballers. Lovely fella too. Just a top man through and through.

13 minutes ago, enigma said:

Where is Heynecks as interim when you need him lol. 

If he was available he'd genuinely be my first choice, his Bayern team were incredible

7 minutes ago, Argo said:

I think International football is a bit detached from club football, Flick is so far failing with Germany but created (in my opinion) the best club side since Pep's Barca. Southgate has done a decent job with England but would relegate a PL side. Also Scolari had an excellent spell as an international coach but was all at sea here.

I wouldn't be against Nagelsmann or even Pochettino at this point (don't think he's as good as made out but can't argue with his record of improving raw players which we need right now) but I think Enrique is the best of both worlds right now, proven he can get the best out of what he's got and deal with the pressure of a big club environment. Also with him here we may have half a chance at poaching Gavi if Barcelona can't get his contract situation sorted.

You are right that international football is different from club football, but he has also done nothing different with Celta or Roma than Potter has done with Brighton. There are some elements that would be positive, like the strong personality to put players on their place, but I'm not sure how good he is developing young players like those that we have purchased and need to be integrated. Plus, his football would be a bit more of the same and I think that we should aim at playing faster.

I think Enrique is far more of a risk than Nagelsmann. Nagelsmann proved he could succeed with a poor squad in Hoffenheim and an average squad in Leipzig. From the looks of it he wasn't doing bad at Bayern either, a lot of Bayern fans seem to be unhappy with the sacking, and the players were shocked.

 

Enrique finished 7th with Roma, 9th with Celta Vigo with a negative goal difference, won 1 CL out of 3 with MSN, and hasn't done amazingly with Spain either. It's a huge risk hoping he'd be the next Pep.

3 minutes ago, Val Denton said:

I would have put JT in as interim manager assuming he fancied helping out, but for the next permanent manager, if available and if he would come back to SW6, I would love Carlo, a man with proper gravitas who absolutely knows how to man manage superstar footballers. Lovely fella too. Just a top man through and through.

Carlo could have been an option if we still had our UCL squad plus Enzo or maybe in a few years when our new players get to prime level.

Right now we've got a lot of players that need micro coaching and stimulation and out of all the top managers he's probably the least suitable at that remit.

I wasn’t really for any of the options however I like what I’ve been reading today about Enrique. Seems he’s put a lot of effort at his own expense to put forward a good case. 

Nagelsmann has a great track record of developing players. Musiala, Nkunku, Konate, Upemacano, Werner (34 goal season) just off the top of my head

 

 

PSG have apparently made contact with Nagelsmann now as well. We'd be making a huge error to fumble this. 

Just don’t give the new manager a 5 year contract 3 max. 
As for who gets it well there isn’t a stand out candidate for me yet 

2 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Nagelsmann has a great track record of developing players. Musiala, Nkunku, Konate, Upemacano, Werner (34 goal season) just off the top of my head

Do you have any concerns regarding his chop and change systems? Or the reports he seemed to have some problem connecting with players and establishing authority?

I know very little about any of the names put forward. But Nagelsman seems like the better choice over Enrique, based on the previous few years.