41 minutes ago, Jezz said:

I love Frank, but a few things have to be said.

It was an appointment designed to pacify a disgruntled fanbase angry with how the season has transpired.

The appointment made no sense. He was literally sacked from Everton 2-3 months earlier. In what way apart from a ‘feel good’ factor was it palatable to bring him in.

The club would have been better off sticking with Potter until the end of the season and then making the decision to part ways if we couldn’t secure someone like Nagelsmann or Enrique immediately.

I agree with you on this, however the club was in a no win situation.

Keep Potter and run the risk of the wrath of the fans for seemingly doing nothing ?

How could they say we’re doing nothing at the minute but trust us in the summer it will be all better.

They sacked Potter, if you believe because of some fan pressure, and hired Frank because they thought it would be a good PR exercise ?

The results were and are not good enough, but sometimes in life you reap what you sow.

You are right @SwedishEntity It's not Frank, it wasn't Tommy and to an extent, it wasn't Graham (despite odd decisions all around)

This club is broken and it's obviously deeper than a change of manager (Everton style)

If Frank could go back two weeks, knowing what he knows now, I'm pretty confident that he wouldn't have took this on. He is killing his own career prospects here, and let's be honest, they were already on a downward curve. Continue like this and he will be very lucky to get another gig as manager at any EPL club.

2 minutes ago, just said:

If Frank could go back two weeks, knowing what he knows now, I'm pretty confident that he wouldn't have took this on. He is killing his own career prospects here, and let's be honest, they were already on a downward curve. Continue like this and he will be very lucky to get another gig as manager at any EPL club.

After Everton he wasn't getting another EPL job if we're being honest

1 minute ago, just said:

If Frank could go back two weeks, knowing what he knows now, I'm pretty confident that he wouldn't have took this on. He is killing his own career prospects here, and let's be honest, they were already on a downward curve. Continue like this and he will be very lucky to get another gig as manager at any EPL club.

Yeah he'll be ok without managing, i would still love him to be involved at the club somehow.

I love Frank but he’s undone what we had of good under Potter in a record breaking time. Wtf was that today? We were dominating Dortmund, Liverpool and some others despite not scoring, but now I don’t see any pattern of play, any structure, no strategy, and it’s not entirely down to the players now.

4 minutes ago, just said:

If Frank could go back two weeks, knowing what he knows now, I'm pretty confident that he wouldn't have took this on. He is killing his own career prospects here, and let's be honest, they were already on a downward curve. Continue like this and he will be very lucky to get another gig as manager at any EPL club.

With 3 manager changes this season, and a permanent one not decided yet, most of the players have already checked out. I honestly don't believe we will see any good performances until there is clarity on the future of the manager. I think any other manager in Frank's position as an interim would be struggling to get this team together.

1 minute ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

With 3 manager changes this season, and a permanent one not decided yet, most of the players have already checked out. I honestly don't believe we will see any good performances until there is clarity on the future of the manager. I think any other manager in Frank's position as an interim would be struggling to get this team together.

Probably right with that Frankie. Tell you who I would like to be involved in the management team in some capacity in the future is Tiago Silva. Not as the manager of course, but part of the management / coaching team. I watch him when he is on the bench and he is so wrapped up and passionate in the game. 

 

Honestly a bit crazy to remember how much outrage there was over Lampard being sacked in 2021, in hindsight Roman absolutely made the correct decision

6 minutes ago, just said:

Probably right with that Frankie. Tell you who I would like to be involved in the management team in some capacity in the future is Tiago Silva. Not as the manager of course, but part of the management / coaching team. I watch him when he is on the bench and he is so wrapped up and passionate in the game. 

 

Honestly we could've just made him player/manager if we really needed an interim, rather than someone that has already failed at PL management before

Wasn’t a big ‘homecoming’ atmosphere for Frank. Pretty subdued to be honest. At least the season is nearly over. 

13 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Honestly a bit crazy to remember how much outrage there was over Lampard being sacked in 2021, in hindsight Roman absolutely made the correct decision

Different circumstances entirely Drogba. IMO Frank improved us a lot from an attacking perspective but a lot of our eventual defensive problems were ultimately down to him. Would he have solved them? Personally I would have given him more time, but I could understand why he was sacked. 

22 hours ago, Argo said:

We were defending pretty well for the most part and had the third (?) best defense in the league. Since the Fulham away game onwards I felt we were starting to control games a lot better (and the underlying metrics were looking good again) and the build up play in the first 2/3rds was starting to look very good I felt. Maybe Enzo played a bigger part in that than Potter but Lampard has Enzo avaliable to him aswell.

I get no one really wants to hear it when the results are what they were but that was the reason I was semi defending him at the end. I was getting pockets of hope/enjoyment from most games to pick out, can't really think of anything from Lampard's two games I can look at and say "I see something here". Even under Bruno we outplayed a team who then went on to outplay the league leaders (admittedly at home), even that feels a million miles away now.

fully agree.

The positives and signs of slow upwards trajectory were there for those who wanted to open their eyes and look past results. But of course, the impatient brigade dont want that - they instead prefer stamping their feet about not having Tuchel.

 

Frank should have never got this job.

1 hour ago, Drogba1 said:

Tuchel is the only elite coach out of the three you mentioned 

And even he failed to get the team to play progressive football or plan for the long term. Instead, we were playing negative, boring backward sh*t, really stinking the place up, and had just signed a washed up past it striker to replace the washed up past it striker he sent to Inter.

34 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

With 3 manager changes this season, and a permanent one not decided yet, most of the players have already checked out. I honestly don't believe we will see any good performances until there is clarity on the future of the manager. I think any other manager in Frank's position as an interim would be struggling to get this team together.

Half the squad know they’re surplus to requirements and will have already checked out mentally. Delaying the announcement of the new manager is probably harming the team.

5 minutes ago, charierre said:

Half the squad know they’re surplus to requirements and will have already checked out mentally. Delaying the announcement of the new manager is probably harming the team.

I'm hoping there is some sort of announcement by the end of the month. I don't want us to go into June without having a manager. From what I've read, Ten Hag being appointed as early as April really helped him prepare for things behind the scenes even before the PL season ended.

4 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I'm hoping there is some sort of announcement by the end of the month. I don't want us to go into June without having a manager. From what I've read, Ten Hag being appointed as early as April really helped him prepare for things behind the scenes even before the PL season ended.

That is definitely needed. The owners should have a good idea what they want from the new man and come to a decision quickly. All this talking to various potential incumbents just shows the decision to sack Potter was taken rashly at this stage of the season. 

16 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I'm hoping there is some sort of announcement by the end of the month. I don't want us to go into June without having a manager. From what I've read, Ten Hag being appointed as early as April really helped him prepare for things behind the scenes even before the PL season ended.

Finding a big-name football manager who is willing to work as a circus director might be more difficult than you think.

1 minute ago, SwedishEntity said:

Finding a big-name football manager who is willing to work as a circus director might be more difficult than you think.

United was as much a circus as us for many seasons, if they could get it done before the season ended I don't see how we can't. It shouldn't take months to hire a manager.

I feel for Lampard. I don't think he's as bad as people claim just because of the time with Everton. He's come into this job in a difficult period where we were already playing poorly and low in morale, then lost to Wolves. Then his next two games in charge are against Real Madrid away and an in form Brighton side where he still had one eye on the CL game midweek.

Anybody thinking we were getting much from today are fooling themselves given our recent form. I didn't even expect much from today, which is how bad things have gotten. But again, Potter should have gotten at least until the Real Madrid tie was over to prove himself, but the fans were on his back and the board listened and sacked him. 

Edited April 15, 20233 yr by enigma

On 05/04/2023 at 21:53, Scott said:

He won't be worst than Potter.

Didn't expect Lamps to perform miracles but I was hoping we would see an improvement and see us play with a bit more energy and passion but sadly it has been anything but.

That side he selected today was a real head scratcher as were some of the subs. The season is over, so why go with players who have let us down time and again and won't be here (hopefully) next season? Why no injection of younger, hungrier players who are looking to prove themselves? Hugely disappointing and although nothing he does as interim will tarnish his CFC legend status, he isn't going to have too many job offers lined up at this rate.

This is why Rio and many others stayed away from coaching and stuck to TV and media jobs, you’ve either got it.. or like Tuchel (who spent 7 years as a youth coach) you have to work at it in the shadows. Eddie Howe took time out to reflect and change his ways, in the dark ages you could retire and slip right into management if you had the personality for it, the game evolved and we’ll continue to see the likes of Gerrard, Frank, Vieira and Henry talk about “heart”, “passion” “play for shirt” “fight” etc etc.

 

Don’t know why everyone’s turning on Lampard? Did you really expect us to win today? 

in my eyes it’s no different to what has been happening the past 6 months (at least) 

at least Lampard isn’t lying to our faces saying we played well and he is calling the team out. Hopefully him doing this helps push some of the dross out the door next year.