12 minutes ago, enigma said:

Oh christ i can't believe people are actually now letting poch out pass their lips ffs. I always wanted Luis Enrique, but even I don't agree that Poch is poor.

He's a good coach and he's come into a new environment along with the players and it's unfortunately going to take some time with this almost brand new team and system to reap results. 

I agree. I would say though I don't understand why Pochettino set up throughout pre season with a formation and style of play that worked well only to change it to this set up which is clearly not working. With 30 players in our squad you'd think we should be able to play players in the positions they are best suited to.

2 minutes ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Please don’t give Pochettino the ol ‘Tin Tack’ talk, but he gets not an iota of praise, he set this team up to play this dross, just watched Brighton destroy Newcastle with fast attacking skilful play, oh and they have another teen gem on their hands, we have a young Raw striker, and Zero backup ( Well Borja is not ready yet)…..

Brighton had a settled team even before the new manager came in you are comparing apples to oranges. 
Change the entire structure and almost the entire team and see how good Brighton will be.

We are the only team who have been sanctioned, then sold, then signed a bunch of players, sacked the current manager a few games in, hire a new manager then got rid of the new manager mid season brought in a even worst manager then got rid of those players at the end of the season and got a new manager and pretty much a new team to start again.

There is no current equivalent in the PL or in world football I can think of. Better teams would have completely crumbled.

We are literally starting from scratch again, have patience. We have seen Poch build two well oiled teams this isn’t his first rodeo. If he doesn’t get us flowing I will be shocked.

He is still learning about his players and tear are very young players who will learn from each match.

4 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I think he's mostly changing the formation because of the attacking injuries we have compared to other areas of the pitch, at least I hope that's the reason.

But playing Chilwell in that advanced role when his decision making and touch is generally poor is odd, when Maatsen played that role, and others, well throughout pre season, scoring goals as well.

4 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I agree. I would say though I don't understand why Pochettino set up throughout pre season with a formation and style of play that worked well only to change it to this set up which is clearly not working. With 30 players in our squad you'd think we should be able to play players in the positions they are best suited to.

I don’t understand why fans think he’s changed the shape of team without reason, just because he hasn’t advertised it doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a reason to play the way he’s playing now.

Just now, El regreso said:

We are the only team who have been sanctioned, then sold, then signed a bunch of players, sacked the current manager a few games in, hire a new manager then got rid of the new manager mid season brought in a even worst manager then got rid of those players at the end of the season and got a new manager and pretty much a new team to start again.

There is no current equivalent in the PL or in world football I can think of. Better teams would have completely crumbled.

We are literally starting from scratch again, have patience. We have seen Poch build two well oiled teams this isn’t his first rodeo. If he doesn’t get us flowing I will be shocked.

He is still learning about his players and tear are very young players who will learn from each match.

All of this is our own doing.

Just how many could have told you that going into a PL-season with a brand new squad that's extremely young would be a problem? Thousands I imagine.

Pochettino I have a lot of sympathy for. He knows the expectations at this club, he probably knows it better than our owners to be frank. Do I think he will last the season though? No I absolutely do not think so. I think he'll have a huge fallout with the owners/directors/strategy after being mid-table in February/March and that will be that for him.

 

Talked about how Chelsea should be winning each game. 25% league win ratio. Tough job on your hand Pochettino and you are making it harder on yourself.

8 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I think he's mostly changing the formation because of the attacking injuries we have compared to other areas of the pitch, at least I hope that's the reason.

Most of our injuries are in defence though. Chalobah, Fofana, James, Badiashile. Nkunku, Broja and Chukwuemeka are the injured attackers.

1 minute ago, El regreso said:

I don’t understand why fans think he’s changed the shape of team without reason, just because he hasn’t advertised it doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a reason to play the way he’s playing now.

I am not sure I understand.  He played the whole of pre season with a flat back four and played Maatsen in a number of advanced roles. Since the season has started he has played a back three that rotates into a four when necessary.  I don't have a massive problem other than to me it appears overly defensive  for the opposition we have had, and Chilwell has effectively been pushed up into left midfield which I don't think hecis good enough for.

12 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I think he's mostly changing the formation because of the attacking injuries we have compared to other areas of the pitch, at least I hope that's the reason.

Only Nkunku Is The Attacking Injury From Pre Season To Now, Carney Got Injured After The Season Started But We've Played This Hybrid 5/4 At The Back System From The Liverpool Game, Can't Tell Me That Nkunku Getting Injured Makes You Change Your Whole Pre Season Formation 

I'm so apathetic to Chelsea right now, another defeat is just expected and means nothing to me. I never expect to win any more. Probably because we've won 1 out of out last 17 games or whatever ridiculous record it  is.

3 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

All of this is our own doing.

Just how many could have told you that going into a PL-season with a brand new squad that's extremely young would be a problem? Thousands I imagine.

Pochettino I have a lot of sympathy for. He knows the expectations at this club, he probably knows it better than our owners to be frank. Do I think he will last the season though? No I absolutely do not think so. I think he'll have a huge fallout with the owners/directors/strategy after being mid-table in February/March and that will be that for him.

 

i just hope he calls out the owner so the fans can get behind and start pushing them out like United fans' Glazer out movement

8 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Brighton had a settled team even before the new manager came in you are comparing apples to oranges. 
Change the entire structure and almost the entire team and see how good Brighton will be.

We are the only team who have been sanctioned, then sold, then signed a bunch of players, sacked the current manager a few games in, hire a new manager then got rid of the new manager mid season brought in a even worst manager then got rid of those players at the end of the season and got a new manager and pretty much a new team to start again.

There is no current equivalent in the PL or in world football I can think of. Better teams would have completely crumbled.

We are literally starting from scratch again, have patience. We have seen Poch build two well oiled teams this isn’t his first rodeo. If he doesn’t get us flowing I will be shocked.

He is still learning about his players and tear are very young players who will learn from each match.

Thus is a great post and is a bit of a comfort so thanks for the reasonableness. 

My worry of course, when you look at the chronology you have set out, if we don't arrest this soon we could end up with Charlton and Millwall as our London derbies.

1 minute ago, cfcforeverfan said:

i just hope he calls out the owner so the fans can get behind and start pushing them out like United fans' Glazer out movement

If he's sacked the compensation package will be linked to a NDA so he wouldn't.

But the strategy is so naive I can't quite believe Pochettino accepted the job in the first place.

 

3 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

If he's sacked the compensation package will be linked to a NDA so he wouldn't.

But the strategy is so naive I can't quite believe Pochettino accepted the job in the first place.

 

This is absolutely ridiculous if true. It was an upgrade on Mount whilst being 20m cheaper. I thought Spurs had just beat us to it

4 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

If he's sacked the compensation package will be linked to a NDA so he wouldn't.

But the strategy is so naive I can't quite believe Pochettino accepted the job in the first place.

 

you dont have to wait till you are sacked to criticise the owner, Conte and Mourinho showed that to you

8 minutes ago, El regreso said:

We are the only team who have been sanctioned, then sold, then signed a bunch of players, sacked the current manager a few games in, hire a new manager then got rid of the new manager mid season brought in a even worst manager then got rid of those players at the end of the season and got a new manager and pretty much a new team to start again.

The only part out of our control was being sanctioned then sold. As soon as the 2021-22 season ended, Clearlake and Boehly started their "project" (or dismantling of the previous 25 years of work) so fast that nobody could keep up. Why the rush? they have 10 years, why not slow it down and make the change gradual and less chaotic? Chelsea football club has become unrecognisable in 1 season. 

13 minutes ago, El regreso said:

There is no current equivalent in the PL or in world football I can think of. Better teams would have completely crumbled.

But we are crumbling. I don't know if you realised, but we have barely won a game of football since January. Our form is something you would expect from relegation candidates. We can't afford to be out of Europe with the money we owe clubs over the next 8 years, how the f**k will we survive if we fall to the Championship? 

1 minute ago, Scott Harris said:

But we are crumbling. I don't know if you realised, but we have barely won a game of football since January. Our form is something you would expect from relegation candidates. We can't afford to be out of Europe with the money we owe clubs over the next 8 years, how the f**k will we survive if we fall to the Championship? 

41 points in the last 38 Premier League games. Pure luck is the only reason we haven't found ourselves in an actual relegation battle, yet.

This isn't about the last four-five games like some are falsely claiming. The manager may have changed but owners, director, strategy haven't changed.

6 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

If he's sacked the compensation package will be linked to a NDA so he wouldn't.

But the strategy is so naive I can't quite believe Pochettino accepted the job in the first place.

 

If this is true, then our owners are f**king idiots. But why would we even doubt it? just look at the players they have signed and how they have conducted themselves since last season.

2 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

If this is true, then our owners are f**king idiots. But why would we even doubt it? just look at the players they have signed and how they have conducted themselves since last season.

It's true. The Athletic have previously said "the aim is to have a squad of players entirely under 25"

 

I need to see Thiago Silva out of the XI.

Still believe this system is made to protect him, and given Poch's comment about experience its as if he needs to play him. When Silva plays he needs additional cover, IE two more CBs, and since Chilwell is vice captain he needs to play as well, leaving him to take that LW spot and make that left side utterly redundant attacking wise. Silva probably the most culpable in slowing the game down and giving the opposition enough time to settle. 

I'm worried now. From what was supposed to be an easy schedule is proving to be difficult.  Our run in November is terrifying. We could be well off the pack come the start of the new year if Poch doesn't sort it out. 

 

9 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

If he's sacked the compensation package will be linked to a NDA so he wouldn't.

But the strategy is so naive I can't quite believe Pochettino accepted the job in the first place.

 

Hugh?, Poch was lucky to get this job, sacked by PSG and not wanted by any other PL club or anywhere else in the world for that matter, had his ‘hungry’ ambitious era/prime of his management career at Southampton & Tottenham. Meanwhile, De Zerbi is going to be the one to replace Pep Guardiola 

Either way, it doesn’t seem to matter who we sign as for whatever reason each coach goes all ‘pragmatic’ here for some reason, our default playing style. 

Sanchez

Gusto Disasi Colwill Chilwell

Caicedo Enzo

Madueke  Palmer Sterling

jackson

8 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Sanchez

Gusto Disasi Colwill Chilwell

Caicedo Enzo

Madueke  Palmer Sterling

jackson

Perfect. Which is why we'll never see it

20 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

The only part out of our control was being sanctioned then sold. As soon as the 2021-22 season ended, Clearlake and Boehly started their "project" (or dismantling of the previous 25 years of work) so fast that nobody could keep up. Why the rush? they have 10 years, why not slow it down and make the change gradual and less chaotic? Chelsea football club has become unrecognisable in 1 season. 

But we are crumbling. I don't know if you realised, but we have barely won a game of football since January. Our form is something you would expect from relegation candidates. We can't afford to be out of Europe with the money we owe clubs over the next 8 years, how the f**k will we survive if we fall to the Championship? 

I made that point probably 8 months or so ago in the Todd thread because I kept calling him Ted Lasso. You don’t take over a business rip out all the people who knows the business and start over immediately you need a transition period of 6 to 12 months to handover the keys but these guys wanted to rip everything out immediately and I knew that was a stupid idea. Look at any major merger or takeover there is always a handover period where the old staff are in place to help the transition but these guys “know better “ it seems they are now reaping what they sow now.

VC guys are high risk high reward and they will get rewarded for this approach just not yet. This team will come good Poch will get it working with these young players.

 

21 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

If this is true, then our owners are f**king idiots. But why would we even doubt it? just look at the players they have signed and how they have conducted themselves since last season.

Our majority owner is a hedge fund who are in the business of making money. They have a plan to get a return on their investment somehow, and you cannot bank on on the pitch success so there must be other ways they are planning on it.