2 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

https://x.com/whoscored/status/1853478564353527899?s=46 this isn't 2023 anymore. 

Messi wasn't a very good header of the ball either. What striker do you know that is elite at every aspect of the game? Most aerial striker can't run the channels like he does.

Not sure how you can say he's lacking physicality. Here's Jackson holding off Konate, one of the most physical CB's in the league. He did this several times against Liverpool. Happy to provide several more clips like this if you want:

https://x.com/yerdas_outV2/status/1843660167742927316

??? This is just your personal opinion and isn't measurable in any plausible way so we'll just ignore it and move on.

Would agree for last season. This season, not so much. Cole Palmer has been offside more times than him in the league lmao where are your complaints for him?

Completely agree, needs to cut this out of his game as it doesn't help the team at all. We saw just as bad from Costa though. 

No striker has more assists in the league than Jackson this season.

See answers to all of your queries. I've posted many of these links on this thread before, you can't just ignore them and then say no one ever shows anything. 

You are a lunatic. I can't believe that you are arguing that he is a) a good finisher, b) sufficiently strong/physical, c) has footballing intelligence. 
 

Sorry dude - but you are off your head if you genuinely believe that.

Now Jim after the United debacle we really need you to up your game.

Has been FAR too long since we beat Arsenal, we need you to get Jacko to the very peak of his powers please.

I really want us to bloomin do Arsenal...

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Now Jim after the United debacle we really need you to up your game.

Has been FAR too long since we beat Arsenal, we need you to get Jacko to the very peak of his powers please.

I really want us to bloomin do Arsenal...

Righteo - if it's compliments you need, then I'm your man....

I like how he always keep the suspense alive – nobody knows which direction he will kick the ball, including himself.

Jacko is a little magician on the pitch. Somehow, he makes the ball disappear… right in front of our eyes....and into the other team’s possession

The donkey is a real inspiration. He is living proof that you don’t need talent to follow your dreams. Gol15 and might still yet get to play for chelsea.

The Donkey has got a unique style – some players pass, some shoot, some have a high football IQ - but jacko does things his way, and doesn't copy others by having any of that nonsense....

He keeps the crowd on the edge of their seats....  as they know they might need to move quickly to get out of the way of one of his famously stray first touches

....hope this does the job and he ends up costing me a fortune against the arse.

9 hours ago, just said:

Jackson does lack physicality. The clip you have chosen shows Konate running back trying to catch up with Jackson who is the faster player. The physical duels he regularly loses are those where he is stationary and supposed to hold the ball up and use his body strength as a barricade to stop the opponent coming round or through him. He really isn't good at it. He gets pushed off the ball far to easily. Likewise he is pretty awful in the air. I'd even go so far as to say he is lazy as he very often can't be arsed to even jump and challenge for the ball. He has pace though and that is a big asset. I can see why he was previously a winger.

This was a year ago, held his own against the two most physically dominant CB's in the world and has only improved since then. 

I'm not sure why we're trying to misprofile another striker though. We did the same with Lukaku trying to force him to play the Drogba role, when has anyone ever done what he can do? City wouldn't moan about Aguero not being strong enough, or Utd about Berbatov not holding off enough CB's. 

8 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

You are a lunatic. I can't believe that you are arguing that he is a) a good finisher, b) sufficiently strong/physical, c) has footballing intelligence. 
 

Sorry dude - but you are off your head if you genuinely believe that.

- asked for facts.

- provided with facts. 

- disregards said facts and calls poster a lunatic.

 

hmm. Think this ends our discussions. 

15 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Despite multiple requests, over 2 days - not 1 person has been able to come back and tell me what Jackson is supposedly good at....

For ease - the list,  which still has not been contested is:

- Not a good finisher

- Not a good header of the ball.

- Rarely wins duels with defenders (lacking physically)

-Brain-dead/lacking footballing intelligence

-Regularly offside

-Collects bookings like my wife collects handbags

- Not an assist machine (8 in total for Chelsea across 1.5 yrs)

These are the realities of his play - and without getting into how few of his actual goals mean anything - i.e mostly a flat track bully. Despite multiple opportunities and requests, not 1 person has been able to give a sensible answer to what he actually good at. The nearest we got was validation of the sole point I credited him for (that he was ok at getting the ball deep on the halfway line, and driving at the defenders)....and we all know why (HINT: Its because he isnt very good at anything!)

Tbh mate, I just can't be arsed, lol

You keep changing the goal posts too, which always ends up with the discussion going round in circles and never ending.

First you compared him to other strikers, then other players then posted upto someone that we shouldn't compare him to others!

Also going back to circles...you keep bringing up last years stats with this years, neatly leaving out it was his first season, new manager and all the other stuff.  I.e...offsides, not a good finisher, etc.

Rarely wins duels with defenders is another that is picked and chosen when it suits. The amount of times he turns a defender and is off with that insane speed is not mentioned or mentioned enough. Also speed is massive to an attacking player but lets just gloss over it as it doesn't fit the narrative.

Seriously bud, it's not that "we" or "i" can't come back to tell you what he's good at but it's more of there's no need to. Everyone knows you are not budging and never will so I for one just don't bother anymore. Lol

We really do get it, we honestly do, you don't like him and you probably never will but pls don't take our/my silence as we agree with your points or can't dispute them. I for one just don't have the time to go round and round in circles bud.

And tbh, imho, you're letting your hatred for Jackson get in the way of, and even blinding you to things that are much more important. 

Breathe my friend, he's one of ours and transfer window is over. The constant he's rubbish gets boring dude. Anyway...just remember you are still young compared to us old farts. Breathe and don't fk up your bld px, lol

😘

Edited November 8, 20241 yr by Simplymo

One thing I will say about jacko now though is he needs competition to get better.

I like how maresca pushed or kept hinting nkunku can play 9, I can imagine that's for jacksons benefit as well as nkunku.

We all obviously know he can't play a 9 but maresca is using that to get Jackson to keep pushing but I also get a feeling that won't last forever.

He needs competition to keep him on his toes and improving.

Since last season he's improved well and there's more in the locker I believe. Improvements in finishing, staying onside, etc are there but not much is mentioned of his speed, link up and hold up play he does. Or how he runs the defenders ragged with his positioning.

He needs to improve his aerial skills though, there's work needed there.

I would love to see him play with nkunku behind him and Palmer and Neto either side and the rest of the setup that we use. He linked up really well with nkunku during preseason and palmer and neto are clever enough to adapt and still be as good as they are respectively in those positions.

I would also love to see a switch in formation during the game (once reece is at full fitness too) but I'll post that up properly under the maresca thread. But it would be nice to see Palmer and nkunku playing behind Jackson with the width provided by wingbacks. If they can seemlessly go from one formation to another during a game then i can see us being unplayable at times. We have the versatility in the whole squad to be able to do that but unfortunately thats soo far down the line! We have to get through defence, set piece and all the other things on marescas list before he can implement the changing of tactics seemlessly during a game.

2-3 years ish at least. 

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The amount of free passes that this guy gets is absolutely astounding. 

I cannot take seriously anyone who argues that he is a good finisher, let alone an elite one. 

Equally laughable that he is a physical animal - when we see him dominated time and time again.

He cant head a ball for sh*t. 

Then we have the stupidity and yellow cards game in game out. 

....and this is all brushed away, with smoke and mirrors, with a nonchalant "oh, that was last season.....'

 

He is an attacker who cant finish, cant head, gets dominated physically and has 8 whole assists for chelsea.  oh, but he is ok at turning a defender when deep and running at them....so all his failings are forgiven.... 

 

He is rubbish. 

 

Nicky J could be our main man against Arse since Cole might be out.

I remember last season he out paced Saliba even when he had the ball!

Been mustard this season. Glad to have him here.

On 08/11/2024 at 12:31, Simplymo said:

First you compared him to other strikers, then other players then posted upto someone that we shouldn't compare him to others!

Not strictly true. So let me unpack that! 😃

It's natural to compare to other players - to an extent. X player is more well rounded, Y player a better header, Z player better at winning physical duels  etc etc.....I am more than happy to have a discussion about skills, ability, attributes etc.

Where I am less convinced is by the rabbit hole of comparing stats with other players. For example,  @Ukraine Bolt has his laser focus on the  "most assists from a striker in the EPL" stat. But this doesn't take into account a host of other factors. What was quality of the players around them, How many chances were created (but missed), how many minutes played, Who against etc etc etc.... These are all relevant issues that give context to the stat.

So while I give some credit to jackson being the 'striker with the most assists this season', I don't give that much weighting, when that number is 3, and he has a total of 8 in 1.5 seasons. I just don't think the comparison with others output here is justified, relevant or transparent. 

 Equally on the flip side - I am saying jackson is rubbish at heading. Here I could bring up a stat that says something like " Chris wood has won 47 aerial duels, in the last 3 games - jackson has won 5 in 1.5 season).

Now, That stat may or may not be true - but it doesn't take into account a whole host of other things - how the team plays/style, how many aerial duels were there to be won, who the duels were against (VVD or someone rubbish?). 

So it's not fair, or relevant, or insightful, to use comparisons in that way. Just because chris wood has won more headers, or got less assists, is largely irrelevant, because neither of those "stats" alone make either player a better player or option for us.

Which is why I have gone through the traits I think we need in a striker (a consistent finisher, good psychically, strong header, good intelligence to be making helpful runs (and staying onside), and someone with a brain. Jacko doesn't have these things....as he has consistently shown since playing for us over 1.5 seasons. 

 

On 08/11/2024 at 23:16, Gordon Bennett said:

Nicky J could be our main man against Arse since Cole might be out.

I remember last season he out paced Saliba even when he had the ball!

Been mustard this season. Glad to have him here.

Agree he has been like mustard. A spoon of the most potent, spiciest, mustard in the world - rubbed into our eyes. Eye wateringly painful.

On 07/11/2024 at 15:56, Ukraine Bolt said:

Its not last season anymore. 

 

Ive watched both play this season, watched a few gerodie game for my sins and regardless of the what the stats say, the eay test does not lie, Isak is an extreamly efficent striker, both from a build up point of view and finishing things off 

6 hours ago, theGreenBaron said:

Ive watched both play this season, watched a few gerodie game for my sins and regardless of the what the stats say, the eay test does not lie, Isak is an extreamly efficent striker, both from a build up point of view and finishing things off 

And still does nothing as well as Jackson. 

 

Nobody can convince me this guy is having a good season. My eyes aren't the best, but they are better than the sh*tty stats people throw around.

Nothings changed from what we already knew in August. He should be our 2nd choice. 

6 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Nobody can convince me this guy is having a good season. My eyes aren't the best, but they are better than the sh*tty stats people throw around.

That pathetic header at the end summed him up.

Guiu is raw and nowhere near ready for this level, but I would prefer him over Jackson right now. Jackson has probably driven me to insanity, but I think Guiu would do decent with the likes of Palmer, Nkunku and Neto around him adding the flair whilst he plays in the box and tries to get on the end of things and press defences.

Edited November 10, 20241 yr by Scott Harris

Some comments from the matchday thread....and still @Ukraine Bolt @abister1 @bluetrooper @STATS will try to tell us that he is had a good game, and was a threat!

 HE IS RUBBISH!

1 hour ago, just said:

 Jackson has only come to life in the last 5 minutes. He had been absolutely rubbish up to then.

 

51 minutes ago, CFCCAN said:

Jackson could slow  a snail race down, FFS...all comes to a grinding halt..

 

50 minutes ago, Gunslinger said:

Questions need to be asked why he keeps playing Jackson, it's ludicrous now

 

45 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

So needless from Jackson, f**king hell. So many brainless footballers in our team.

 

31 minutes ago, JM7 said:

It’s mind boggling that Nkunku doesn’t get on the pitch. Jackson has offered nothing all game 

 

30 minutes ago, Andy2461 said:

Does that brain dead fool actually know the offside rule ?

 

27 minutes ago, CFCCAN said:

Jackson alone up front has run its course I'm afraid.

 

26 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

It's an insult to Nkunku that Jackson is preferred over him.

 

11 minutes ago, JPH said:

I wonder for how long our best striker will get only 5 minutes per game. 

 

8 minutes ago, The Boehly Babes said:

 

Jackson - Over a billion spent and this braindead moron keeps getting game time. It’s beyond baffling at this point. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

 at this point, I would rather see Guiu play than Jackson

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Guiu is raw and nowhere near ready for this level, but I would prefer him over Jackson right now. Jackson has probably driven me to insanity, but I think Guiu would do decent with the likes of Palmer, Nkunku and Neto around him adding the flair whilst he plays in the box and tries to get on the end of things and press defences.

This would honestly solve a lot of the problems we have when teams mark Palmer as they did today. Jackson didn't do enough of the ball to help Palmer today. 

10 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Nothings changed from what we already knew in August. He should be our 2nd choice. 

3rd

14 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Nobody can convince me this guy is having a good season. My eyes aren't the best, but they are better than the sh*tty stats people throw around.

They will try though....the fanboys are strong with this one.

I realky dunno what some people are watching. You can quote XGs, XAs, ABCs, show countless graphs, pie charts, gradient curves etc. It's all just bollox on a piece of paper. They must know, in their heads, and their hearts, that 92.46% of the time he is severely lacking in nearly everything he does as a centre-forward. For example @Ukraine Bolt trying to convince anyone, (but mostly himself I think), that Jackson has a strong physical presence is very, very reminiscent of Gol trying to convince us that Jorginho was better than Rodri. And as for his aerial ability!! Christ, I am 63 years old, 5'9" and 3/4 tall with two metal knees and I genuinely think I could do him in a aerial duel. Seriously!

Surely, you have to realise playing him practically every minute of every EPL game is hurting us? He isn't a natural centre-forward. OK fine. Give him Mudryk minutes. Bring him on slowly. But for Christ sake, get a proper centre-forward in first. Oh, and N'kunku is as good as gone.

 

3 minutes ago, just said:

I realky dunno what some people are watching. You can quote XGs, XAs, ABCs, show countless graphs, pie charts, gradient curves etc. It's all just bollox on a piece of paper. They must know, in their heads, and their hearts, that 92.46% of the time he is severely lacking in nearly everything he does as a centre-forward. For example @Ukraine Bolt trying to convince anyone, (but mostly himself I think), that Jackson has a strong physical presence is very, very reminiscent of Gol trying to convince us that Jorginho was better than Rodri. And as for his aerial ability!! Christ, I am 63 years old, 5'9" and 3/4 tall with two metal knees and I genuinely think I could do him in a aerial duel. Seriously!

Surely, you have to realise playing him practically every minute of every EPL game is hurting us? He isn't a natural centre-forward. OK fine. Give him Mudryk minutes. Bring him on slowly. But for Christ sake, get a proper centre-forward in first. Oh, and N'kunku is as good as gone.

 

Nkunku isn't a striker, what other option is there? 

12 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Nkunku isn't a striker, what other option is there? 

You have a point UB. But I do feel we would get more out of N'kunku at this point in time. His interplay and movement along the line is better.

I repeat, I am not against Jackson being our back-up CF. He does have some assets, pace especially, but the negatives far, far, far outweigh the positives. And the argument that other teams don't have great CFs either, (Havertz proved that today), shouldn't concern us. We, us, Chelsea need to find one and f**k the rest. 

32 minutes ago, just said:

You have a point UB. But I do feel we would get more out of N'kunku at this point in time. His interplay and movement along the line is better.

I repeat, I am not against Jackson being our back-up CF. He does have some assets, pace especially, but the negatives far, far, far outweigh the positives. And the argument that other teams don't have great CFs either, (Havertz proved that today), shouldn't concern us. We, us, Chelsea need to find one and f**k the rest. 

I don't disagree. Go out and throw the money at Gyokeres like i've been asking for all year. 

At this moment in time Jackson is the best option we have and listening to Jim moan with 42 posts a day won't change that. Especially when 90% of those posts are complete bs too.