1 minute ago, timetowaste said:

You keep using the phrase 'untalented deadwood' when it isn't true. I cba with this convo because we will just go round in circles. I rate most of the players but they just aren't getting the proper coaching to take them from talented individuals to a good team and that is on Poch 

Please, open your eyes or shut up, we barely beat Spurs with 2 men more on the pitch

2 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

You keep using the phrase 'untalented deadwood' when it isn't true. I cba with this convo because we will just go round in circles. I rate most of the players but they just aren't getting the proper coaching to take them from talented individuals to a good team and that is on Poch 

But why isn't it true?

Players like Havertz, Werner, Pulisic even Mount have been called deadwood or heavily criticised in their early 20s

They're all  far better players than deadwood like Broja, Mudryk and Madueke have ever shown themselves to be.

Why were the players that performed well for us on occasion albeit inconsistenly deadwood but the untalented youngsters that didn't shown any talent before we signed them and have been consistently poor since we signed them "top talents"

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Poch manged to finish 2nd in Ligue une with PSG and they had Messi, Mbappe and Neymar up front. 

 

No idea why people think he's a top coach. 

I don’t we were “out fought” or “Everton wanted it more”…it’s just our attacking players are absolutely woeful. You can’t see any of them scoring. 
 

Jackson, Broja, Mydryk, Sterling..even Conor, Enzo and Caicedo. 7 players. None of them are playing with conviction or aggression. 

1 minute ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Poch manged to finish 2nd in Ligue une with PSG and they had Messi, Mbappe and Neymar up front. 

 

No idea why people think he's a top coach. 

People don't think that he is a top coach. People think tha with 1 b spent we have to make a decent games with good results.

What do you think that with Guardiola or Klopp with these sh*t players will be different? Guess what, NO

Blaming “untalented” players (which is bullsh*t of course) and “clueless” managers aside, the problems at this club is multi-faceted and includes the whole organization. From medical personnel to DoF. I have no idea how to fix any of this sh*t and neither does anyone else.

The house got torn down fast and has been re-built with cardboard.

14 minutes ago, forbzy said:

It may not hit until next year but FFP means that we will have to sell without European football, and most likely players that have some financial value. So, what looks like an already weak squad will likely only look worse next season. I don't see much of an improvement in the next few years no matter who is managing.

Not sure who they could even sell tbh. James is the obvious one, but not sure there will clubs queuing up to offer him massive wages on top of a large fee given his injury record.

2 minutes ago, JJ8 said:

People don't think that he is a top coach. People think tha with 1 b spent we have to make a decent games with good results.

What do you think that with Guardiola or Klopp with these sh*t players will be different? Guess what, NO

What Klopp did at Liverpool makes the way we've gone about things look embarrassing. 

 

Just relegate us and get it over with, I can't take this sh*t anymore 

4 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Jackson, Broja, Mydryk, Sterling..even Conor, Enzo and Caicedo. 7 players. None of them are playing with conviction or aggression. 

You reckon this stems from the manager? 

Don't think they're untalented. Individually probably very good. As a team they are woeful. Let's not forget we ditched more or less  an entire team in the summer. Now we have only a few experienced Chelsea players. You can't really just bundle a load of strangers on the pitch and expect them to win titles. Needs a mix of kids and old heads. That's what the big problem is in my opinion 

4 minutes ago, JJ8 said:

People don't think that he is a top coach. People think tha with 1 b spent we have to make a decent games with good results.

What do you think that with Guardiola or Klopp with these sh*t players will be different? Guess what, NO

If these players just suddenly appeared in City - with their admittedly greatly professional organization being coached by Pep  - then yes, very different. 

1 minute ago, Cfc91 said:

If these players just suddenly appeared in City - with their admittedly greatly professional organization being coached by Pep  - then yes, very different. 

Which ones? Palmer yes. Others no.

Werner, Haverts??? 

Even now Kovacic is usless in City

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First time I wasnt angry at a defeat this season. 
 

I’ve simply accepted it. 

31 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Maybe getting a points deduction would have put fire under these players, seemed to have worked for everton

This bunch except Silva don't care. Why would they when they have 7-8 years long contracts. They're not good enough that other clubs will want to sign them. Most of them will likely retire at 30 having earned very good money doing f**k all at the club.

4 minutes ago, JJ8 said:

Which ones? Palmer yes. Others no.

Werner, Haverts??? 

Even now Kovacic is usless in City

Apart from a few, I’d say most would have done well in City’s structure being coached by Pep.

I thought Mudryk was very good today. 

Our midfield pairing of enzo and caicedo cost 230M.

Let that sink in

Todd has fu**ed us 

5 minutes ago, JJ8 said:

People don't think that he is a top coach. People think tha with 1 b spent we have to make a decent games with good results.

What do you think that with Guardiola or Klopp with these sh*t players will be different? Guess what, NO

It would be better because they're better coaches by a million miles. Good coaches bring the best out of players. This lot are desperate for a proper coach, a coach that will instantly stamp their mark on the team. This team cannot play possession based football, so why has Potter, Lampard and Pochettino done nothing to change that?

The players are very ordinary, but good coaches get the best out of ordinary players.

5 minutes ago, Cfc91 said:

If these players just suddenly appeared in City - with their admittedly greatly professional organization being coached by Pep  - then yes, very different. 

Even Pep would struggle if he signs 7-8 inexperienced kids to play first team football all at the same time.

Just now, Conte said:

Our midfield pairing of enzo and caicedo cost 230M.

Let that sink in

Todd has fu**ed us 

Worst, midfield in the prem. What does Enzo actually being to the side? He's absolute dog sh*t.

Just now, Cfc91 said:

Apart from a few, I’d say most would have done well in City’s structure being coached by Pep.

Tell me how? Jackson is with two left feet and don't know what do to with the ball.

16 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

The squad is talented, individually the players are good but Poch seems to have no idea how to get them to gel together, virtually any of these young players we've bought barring a couple could go to an Arsenal, City, Newcastle and look a top talent but not here because Pochettino doesn't have a tactical brain in his body. There's only so much putting your arm around a player can do but without any direction in the pitch we're going to go nowhere.

The thing is though, we have seen players come here fairly raw and develop into world class players. The players we have now, arent even showing Oscar age 20 levels of performance, so I dont buy that these players are world class talents. They are no young Robben, or Hazard, they look more like a Sturridge level of talent, Stoch, Van aanholt. 

I dont see any world in which Jackson, Mudryk, Sanchez, Broja, Disasi, Cucurella, Madueke, and even Palmer if I'm honest develop into leading premier league players in a title winning team.

We also haven't been forced down this route. There was definite need to trim the squad and reduce the average age, and the wage bill, but the money we have put into this approach looks more and more irresponsible with every game.

1 minute ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

I thought Mudryk was very good today. 

He would be if he had end product. Countless times he beat his man, over hit the cross, played the pass just behind etc.

14 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Poch manged to finish 2nd in Ligue une with PSG and they had Messi, Mbappe and Neymar up front. 

 

No idea why people think he's a top coach. 

I don't think Poch is top notch.

I do think he's as good a coach as we can attract at the moment though.

Do you think we can attract a top notch coach? FFP charges looming, many players on really long contracts etc. We are in a really difficult place and we have to work our way out of it. Let's see where we are in Feb.

1 minute ago, Scott Harris said:

It would be better because they're better coaches by a million miles. Good coaches bring the best out of players. This lot are desperate for a proper coach, a coach that will instantly stamp their mark on the team. This team cannot play possession based football, so why has Potter, Lampard and Pochettino done nothing to change that?

The players are very ordinary, but good coaches get the best out of ordinary players.

Okay , so what style we have to do??? Parking bus?????????????????????? NO WAY