1 minute ago, charierre said:

He would be if he had end product. Countless times he beat his man, over hit the cross, played the pass just behind etc.

Been compared to Gronkjaer. Don't think he is even that good. Just runs, loses the ball, and crosses to the opposition.

Expected us to lose at Everton we always struggle with them and the run-up to Christmas is legendary for us taking the foot off the gas. I am however getting closer to sitting on the fence about Poch. I'm not at Potter levels (wanted him out before he arrived) as he had a Champions League-winning squad, that may be the first time a few of our current squad have even played at Everton. However, the lack of progress is becoming an issue. Owners need to back Poch in January (a f**king striker) then if we don't see progress well we know how the cookie crumbles at Chelsea.

10 minutes ago, BewareoftheDrog said:

Don't think they're untalented. Individually probably very good. As a team they are woeful. Let's not forget we ditched more or less  an entire team in the summer. Now we have only a few experienced Chelsea players. You can't really just bundle a load of strangers on the pitch and expect them to win titles. Needs a mix of kids and old heads. That's what the big problem is in my opinion 

Well, the lack of experience in the squad was abundantly clear to anyone with half a brain and yet our great duo of sporting directors or whoever the f**k else is in charge of building this "project" somehow failed to notice that while spending billion pounds of the new owners' money.

24 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

I blame this one on Poch he decided to rest players at a difficult away ground and after losing our last match.

I just got 6 points on the prediction league and up until I saw the line up thought we would win. 

Maybe he benched Sterling and Jackson because they squandered a whole host of opportunities at Old Trafford and he wanted to give some other attackers a go instead ? And Colwill because his poor defending led to the winning goal ... and Silva was probably knackered and needed a rest ?

1 minute ago, Scott Harris said:

It would be better because they're better coaches by a million miles. Good coaches bring the best out of players. This lot are desperate for a proper coach, a coach that will instantly stamp their mark on the team. This team cannot play possession based football, so why has Potter, Lampard and Pochettino done nothing to change that?

The players are very ordinary, but good coaches get the best out of ordinary players.

I think you're missing the part about how inexperienced our first team is. It's like they're getting paid to learn top flight football without any accountability for results and performances. Don't think there's any coach that would not struggle with all these kids playing together at the same time.

4 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

It would be better because they're better coaches by a million miles. Good coaches bring the best out of players. This lot are desperate for a proper coach, a coach that will instantly stamp their mark on the team. This team cannot play possession based football, so why has Potter, Lampard and Pochettino done nothing to change that?

The players are very ordinary, but good coaches get the best out of ordinary players.

Are our players ordinary though?

You can't tell me any club in the league with the possible exception of Sheffield would want to go into a game with a front 4 containing Broja/Mudryke/Gallagher and Palmer who is actually talented unlike the other 3 but has 1 career top flight open play goal.

It's an incredible lack of quality or proven performances to work with.

 

3 minutes ago, big blue said:

The thing is though, we have seen players come here fairly raw and develop into world class players. The players we have now, arent even showing Oscar age 20 levels of performance, so I dont buy that these players are world class talents. They are no young Robben, or Hazard, they look more like a Sturridge level of talent, Stoch, Van aanholt. 

I dont see any world in which Jackson, Mudryk, Sanchez, Broja, Disasi, Cucurella, Madueke, and even Palmer if I'm honest develop into leading premier league players in a title winning team.

We also haven't been forced down this route. There was definite need to trim the squad and reduce the average age, and the wage bill, but the money we have put into this approach looks more and more irresponsible with every game.

I can see where you're coming from in some aspects, but one difference is Oscar and Hazard came into a team that had just won the CL and had senior player like Cole, Lampard, Terry etc around the place. We've asked these youngsters to come in and shoulder everything which is something that has been an oversight from our ownership but I just won't have that players like Mudryk, Colwill, Enzo, Caicedo, Palmer etc aren't good enough to be part of a team that wins the league. If it were up to me we'd another manager in and sign 3/4 ready made starters with experience, starting with a goalie and a striker

Just now, Sexyfootball said:

Maybe he benched Sterling and Jackson because they squandered a whole host of opportunities at Old Trafford and he wanted to give some other attackers a go instead ? And Colwill because his poor defending led to the winning goal ... and Silva was probably knackered and needed a rest ?

Could be, well at least the Broja crowd will be more balanced now.

Two more consecutive losses and it might be adios Mauricio and that will bad indeed as no-one decent will want the job.

2 minutes ago, abramovich said:

Well, the lack of experience in the squad was abundantly clear to anyone with half a brain and yet our great duo of sporting directors or whoever the f**k else is in charge of building this "project" somehow failed to notice that while spending billion pounds of the new owners' money.

I guess if you know nothing about football like our new owners and some agent tells you " this guy's a snip at 30 mill" you might think he knows best. We've been shafted

OK, if Poch is sacked, who do we get? I have no idea who would be best.

Edited December 10, 20232 yr by Trueblu77

Just now, JJ8 said:

Okay , so what style we have to do??? Parking bus?????????????????????? NO WAY

Sit a bit deeper and hit on the counter. A more direct approach where we hit teams hard. No more playing slow out of the back, no more trying to beat the press and then play through tight defences with intricate passes. It doesn't work, it's never worked for us. We don't test the keeper enough with this style of football and we always have a player that plays a loose pass to give up possession in our own half.

We bought players that were not built to play this style of football, so why do our coaches keep insisting on it? You look at every highlight video of Mudryk before we bought him, none of his game was about intricate passes around a defence, he was all about running in behind the defence and using his pace. Gallagher at Palace was exactly the same, they were a counter attacking team and Gallagher was the work horse with a long range shot. He can't play intricate passes, it's not in his game. 

3 minutes ago, Trueblu77 said:

OK, if Poch is sacked, who do we get? I have no idea who would be best.

I'll get slated for it but I'd happily have Jose back. 

1 minute ago, Scott Harris said:

Sit a bit deeper and hit on the counter. A more direct approach where we hit teams hard. No more playing slow out of the back, no more trying to beat the press and then play through tight defences with intricate passes. It doesn't work, it's never worked for us. We don't test the keeper enough with this style of football and we always have a player that plays a loose pass to give up possession in our own half.

We bought players that were not built to play this style of football, so why do our coaches keep insisting on it? You look at every highlight video of Mudryk before we bought him, none of his game was about intricate passes around a defence, he was all about running in behind the defence and using his pace. Gallagher at Palace was exactly the same, they were a counter attacking team and Gallagher was the work horse with a long range shot. He can't play intricate passes, it's not in his game. 

You think that coaches are to blame that in recent years only Palmer and Drinkwater are the ones who make shots from distance. Sorry, but even when Guardiola insisted to play tiki-taka style there where many players who made shots from distance. The same i can say for Bayern with Flik.

14 minutes ago, Nick05 said:

Even Pep would struggle if he signs 7-8 inexperienced kids to play first team football all at the same time.

Agreed.

Without Rodri Pep has lost every PL game this season. Imagine how he'd cope with a few more out on top of that ?

And when Klopp had some injuries a couple of seasons back he lost 6 home games in a row ! 

6 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I'll get slated for it but I'd happily have Jose 

 

9 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I can see where you're coming from in some aspects, but one difference is Oscar and Hazard came into a team that had just won the CL and had senior player like Cole, Lampard, Terry etc around the place. We've asked these youngsters to come in and shoulder everything which is something that has been an oversight from our ownership but I just won't have that players like Mudryk, Colwill, Enzo, Caicedo, Palmer etc aren't good enough to be part of a team that wins the league. If it were up to me we'd another manager in and sign 3/4 ready made starters with experience, starting with a goalie and a striker

Individually the players mentioned would slot into a good cohesive unit. Signing 3/ 4 experienced performers would knit the team together, our problem is the large hit we would take on outgoings to bring about this outcome. The long contracts that some process will make them difficult to move on. 

6 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I can see where you're coming from in some aspects, but one difference is Oscar and Hazard came into a team that had just won the CL and had senior player like Cole, Lampard, Terry etc around the place. We've asked these youngsters to come in and shoulder everything which is something that has been an oversight from our ownership but I just won't have that players like Mudryk, Colwill, Enzo, Caicedo, Palmer etc aren't good enough to be part of a team that wins the league. If it were up to me we'd another manager in and sign 3/4 ready made starters with experience, starting with a goalie and a striker

Yeah I agree that there is an argument that some of these players would be performing better if surrounded by some world class players, and the burden on them is too high, but again, this is completely by design, we have shown we had enough money to assemble a younger team ready to win now, and in the future. 

Palmer and Mudryk I think we will have to disagree on, Palmer is talented and is a great squad player, but if he had the potential of Foden he would still be at City. Personally I think he just stands out in sea of mediocrity in attack. 

Mudryk has pace, and that's pretty much it. 

I'm not convinced by Poch, but I agree with the last point regardless of who is a manager. 

Go and get a world class keeper, striker, left back, and winger. That seems like a ridiculous request, but 12 months ago, the club had the funds to go and do just that. Now I doubt we can afford or attract those types of players.

8 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Agreed.

Without Rodri Pep has lost every PL game this season. Imagine how he'd cope with a few more out on top of that ?

And when Klopp had some injuries a couple of seasons back he lost 6 home games in a row ! 

And they lost those games with a settled title winning sides. One crucial player injured could mean a string of losses. We are so far of that situation it is not accurate to compare the situation with us.

Arsenal is knocking on the door now after 15 years of constant pain, MU is in that period right now and Liverpool got out of that with very smart recruiting and Klopp. All their projects have endured for 10-15 years. We are complaining about 1 or 2 seasons. 

For Arsenal it just clicked with Arteta. Their squad is basically the same.

I think Pochettino is the right man at this point of this project.

Edited December 10, 20232 yr by evissy

14 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I'll get slated for it but I'd happily have Jose back. 

The bloke in your profile pic would be the first one to go if Jose came here mate. 

Football is a results business even moronic owners like we have know that much. Poch on track to do one of this fare keeps on being served up over the busy festive period. 

I knew we would lose hence my exact prediction. Hate ‘betting’ against my club but it’s come to that sadly as wee are 2 Bob (again) 

 

 

19 hours ago, El regreso said:

We are not getting anything from this a 2-0 loss. Everton the good this for me is it’s not on Sky TV or peacock who I don’t have to worry about forcing myself to watch it 😂 

I called this yesterday exactly I should have put a bet one it!!

Pochettino says injuries are too much for him to build something solid. Sanchez and Cucurella are now injured. (@NizaarKinsella) #CFC
 

I think it’s right, not excuses. Is that 11 players out now? Remember it’s not short term, many of these injuries are long term. Current players are over played, lack of competition m, no solutions. Depending on how long Sanchez is out for, we will be relying on a young unproven goalkeeper 
 

I hope the board and fans appreciate this as it’s a massive factor which is hindering Poch. 

It would  be utterly pointless replacing Poch. The next manager would be in the same position. Inheriting a disjointed squad with far too many bang average players.

I can't remotely agree with the claim its a squad of talented individuals. (Depending on the standard you are looking for).

Jackson, Broja, Mudryk, Cucurella, and Sanchez are a long way from talented if we are remotely ever interested in rebuilding to be a top 6 club. 

Sterling and Gallagher slightly better players but far too inconsistent.  

If we hadn't pissed so much money up the wall already I'd have seven of them at the exit door in the summer. However unfortunately we can't replace that number of players and we will get a pittance back for them

 

2 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Pochettino says injuries are too much for him to build something solid. Sanchez and Cucurella are now injured. (@NizaarKinsella) #CFC
 

I think it’s right, not excuses. Is that 11 players out now? Remember it’s not short term, many of these injuries are long term. Current players are over played, lack of competition m, no solutions. Depending on how long Sanchez is out for, we will be relying on a young unproven goalkeeper 
 

I hope the board and fans appreciate this as it’s a massive factor which is hindering Poch. 

There are some excuses I'm sick of, like international break and fatigue when we're playing less fixtures than most teams. 

But the injuries is a valid one, Lavia, Nkunku, Chilwell, and even Les out is hurting the side because we've got no depth or rotation at all. The bench is laughably bad, every time I look at it I see a name I don't even recognise. 

Topple that with an already inexperienced side and it's a recipe for disaster, which we're now looking at. 

18 minutes ago, Conte said:

Our midfield pairing of enzo and caicedo cost 230M.

Let that sink in

Todd has fu**ed us 

Well, Todd f**ked himself royally with a truly astonishing silly overspend on hugely overpriced unproven or nothing special players. Money down the drain.  If we do get relegated, he will have to sell the club at a staggering loss.