10 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

There's a difference between matchday 1 vs 7 months of no improvement. 

If in Jan-Feb we still look like this, no consistency or any identity, this voice of frustration would be justified. 

As if many of you lot weren't on Pochettino's case from day 1 ... and to say "no improvement" when we were demonstrably 4th in the 2nd half of the season is just plain rubbish of course as well. Like I said to the other guy, it all depends who you like and who you don't. 

5 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

As if many of you lot weren't on Pochettino's case from day 1 ... and to say "no improvement" when we were demonstrably 4th in the 2nd half of the season is just plain rubbish of course as well. Like I said to the other guy, it all depends who you like and who you don't. 

The only criticism given to Poch for the first few matches were down to him abandoning what worked preseason. 

From matchweek 5 to matchweek 30 we teetered from 14th to 10th in the league whilst playing some chaotic football. Coincidentally, a lot of the improvement we saw in the latter stage of last season came from Poch actually reverting back to what worked in preseason. 

When I said we are following Brighton way 😁😁

55 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The only criticism given to Poch for the first few matches were down to him abandoning what worked preseason. 

From matchweek 5 to matchweek 30 we teetered from 14th to 10th in the league whilst playing some chaotic football. Coincidentally, a lot of the improvement we saw in the latter stage of last season came from Poch actually reverting back to what worked in preseason. 

Not putting a downer on Maresca v City, but I just thought the players were still playing pochball or whatever it was fisrt half, first time many had played together since last season and then we slowed a little when he brought on the subs as we moved more towards what Maresca is seeking. tbh, they all play possession based stuff so dont think it'll be too long before we see signs of Marescas system... perhaps just reading too much into what I saw sunday. Think a few games to get into the swing of things again. Not too concerned yet on field, bar the keeper situ... its the madness off it that is causing everyone including the manager a massive headache. this stuff has to be done before the season kicks off. 

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

As if many of you lot weren't on Pochettino's case from day 1 ... and to say "no improvement" when we were demonstrably 4th in the 2nd half of the season is just plain rubbish of course as well. Like I said to the other guy, it all depends who you like and who you don't. 

You either weren't a member of the forum at this point or have selective memory, but at the start of last season I was all for the appointment of Poch (despite his Spurs past) and despite people having enough of him 2 months into the season I supported him until about January time when I felt he just wasn't gonna be the right guy.
 

This time around I was not a supporter of Maresca's appointment like pretty much everyone else, but I'm gonna give him time to prove he's the right guy just like I did with Poch, Potter, Tuchel, Lampard etc etc, I'm certainly not gonna write him off during pre-season or after his first league game like some people have on here. 

16 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Tbf he has support from a few on here as well.

What that Juan geezer ?

f**king hell 

 

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

There's a difference between matchday 1 vs 7 months of no improvement. 

If in Jan-Feb we still look like this, no consistency or any identity, this voice of frustration would be justified. 

Had 2 season and 5 windows of the ownership ripping the club appart at the seams and getting blind Al to put it back together.

Think the Match going fans have had a lot of patience for the owners but so now have had enough.

Edited August 20, 20241 yr by axman2526

2 hours ago, cfr95 said:

Fans are entitled to voice their displeasure

Fans can say what they want, but doesn't stop me from thinking it's wrong for fans to slag off our players and manager based on pre-season and a game against Man City. It just isn't fair and it creates a horrible environment for a team trying to improve.

10 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Had 2 season and 5 windows of the ownership ripping the club appart at the seams and getting blind Al to put it back together.

Think the Match going fans have had a lot of patience for the owners but so now have had enough.

Genuine question though, what exactly do you expect the slagging off of a new manager and new players will do for us? If the owners, the managers and the players don't have support from day 1 what chance have they got?

Todd has bought this wall for Enzo Maresca to help train our misfiring forwards 

2 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Fans can say what they want, but doesn't stop me from thinking it's wrong for fans to slag off our players and manager based on pre-season and a game against Man City. It just isn't fair and it creates a horrible environment for a team trying to improve.

Most of the negativity I have seen is focused on the owners and justifiably so. We can all have differing opinions on various players and managers but ultimately I am sure we all want them to succeed. The criticism towards the owners and SD's is reasonable though in my opinion. Some of the decisions over transfers and appointments have been headscratchers. For example they backed Poch last season when we were struggling, and then elected to part company with him when we had finally shown some signs of hope towards the end of the season. Now we will realistically have to go through a similar struggle as the squad adapts to yet another new manager, hoping that things work out by the end of the season. Yet in the meantime the owners have already created unnecessary chaos with the bloated squad to deal with at the start of the season and possibly beyond...

1 minute ago, timetowaste said:

Genuine question though, what exactly do you expect the slagging off of a new manager and new players will do for us? If the owners, the managers and the players don't have support from day 1 what chance have they got?

Well, do you think passionate Chelsea fans should roar approval of the owners at every game ?

I, and everyone I know support our team and players .

But we are not without emotion about what's happening at our club. I never ever boo our team, and never will, but Maresca had a go at Leicester fans for moaning during a game after watching a spell of backwards passes .

And from day 1 the owners had our support. We WANTED them to succeed with our team.

Unfortunately quite quickly it fell apart, for me it was when Todd had the front to sack staff and install himself as sporting director.

On fact, we haven't kicked up much of a fuss in reality.

And you're right, it doesn't do any good, neither does insulting the ref, but it's all part of being a fan

 

 

35 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

You either weren't a member of the forum at this point or have selective memory, but at the start of last season I was all for the appointment of Poch (despite his Spurs past) and despite people having enough of him 2 months into the season I supported him until about January time when I felt he just wasn't gonna be the right guy.
 

This time around I was not a supporter of Maresca's appointment like pretty much everyone else, but I'm gonna give him time to prove he's the right guy just like I did with Poch, Potter, Tuchel, Lampard etc etc, I'm certainly not gonna write him off during pre-season or after his first league game like some people have on here. 

I don't believe my reply to Sconnie's post that you are now responding to said anything about you in it ?

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

I don't believe my reply to Sconnie's post that you are now responding to said anything about you in it ?

More in reply to the below, but I assume  you were referring to me when you said "Like I said to the other guy, it all depends who you like and who you don't." 

 

 

3 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

That's a bit rich after all the negativity you flung at our manager last season ... I guess it's ok to do it when it's someone you don't like though huh ?

 

 

1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:

Well, do you think passionate Chelsea fans should roar approval of the owners at every game ?

I, and everyone I know support our team and players .

But we are not without emotion about what's happening at our club. I never ever boo our team, and never will, but Maresca had a go at Leicester fans for moaning during a game after watching a spell of backwards passes .

And from day 1 the owners had our support. We WANTED them to succeed with our team.

Unfortunately quite quickly it fell apart, for me it was when Todd had the front to sack staff and install himself as sporting director.

On fact, we haven't kicked up much of a fuss in reality.

And you're right, it doesn't do any good, neither does insulting the ref, but it's all part of being a fan

 

 

But the important thing to remember is that it's the players on the pitch and the manager on the sidelines, not the owners, so when it's the first game of the season and you've got people groaning and booing in the stands you're going to be pretty bothered by it. Not to mention all of the sh*t they have to read on social media. The away support is almost always great and get behind the team even if they don't agree with what's happening off the pitch and for me that's what should be happening right now at home. If we're a few months down the line and we're playing terribly then people can show their displeasure, but a new season should be a new beginning. Carrying on the negativity from last season into this just helps nobody.

2 hours ago, timetowaste said:

Genuine question though, what exactly do you expect the slagging off of a new manager and new players will do for us? If the owners, the managers and the players don't have support from day 1 what chance have they got?

The match going fans are the only voices that are heard. What is said on social media is water off a ducks back for the ownership. Only way to be heard is sadly the Bridge of sighs.

I do like the players and manager getting caught in the fire, but unfortunately it is what the owners have made it to be.

I was thinking last season we played better after the home Leicester game,

poch and some players took a lot of advice from the fans that day over substitutions,

players being selfish etc.

some coincidence that the results improved from then on.

also when you pay £49 for a ticket for a friendly and tickets for all the other games

you do have a right to an opinion.

i don’t think Maresca is the right fit for us but I really hope I’m wrong.

when I’m at the games and I think mareska makes the wrong decisions

i will shout my advice fu - k him.

 

4 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

That's a bit rich after all the negativity you flung at our manager last season ... I guess it's ok to do it when it's someone you don't like though huh ?

 

I was going to say this, but until now I have kept my mouth shut. There are people on here calling fans toxic and entitled, but they have all done this themselves many times in the past too.

I don't like booing players either, I do think it can be detrimental in most cases, but what I don't like is calling the fans toxic, entitled and saying this is a reaction to one game. It's not one game, they're not toxic or entitled (although, I don't personally think it is a bad thing to feel entitled to a bit of entertainment) they are fans that invest a lot of money, time and passion, and they are repaid with this same laboured performance for years and now an ownership that we can all see is tearing away the soul of the club.

They watch teams come to the Bridge, play comfortably, put 100% into every game, play with tempo, then they turn and look at our lot. They look disinterested, they play at a snails pace, look gassed after one sprint, they don't look concentrated (how many times do we give away possession in our own half from this slow build up play from the back?) they play the ball back to the defence from attacking positions, they create one chance and then go on a 10 minute break before creating a half chance, then a player goes down with cramp or gets injured. 

I've said it many times, I hate our football. Personally, I think it's the most unappealing style of football in the game right now. Fans that attend the games are clearly feeling the same way, yet the owners ignored that and hired a coach that will produce more of the same. Did people expect the fans to suddenly switch because there is a new coach in charge trying to implement that same style of football that fans have hated for years now? 

Fans often talk about the DNA when it comes to the type of football they expect to see from their club, well I think this type of football doesn't match our DNA. I've been a Chelsea fan for almost 30 years now, and until recently, the Chelsea I've always known was a team built around having a strong organised defence, strong leadership, powerful and quick players that would win most 50/50's and power their way up the pitch, and we would have bit of flair and trickery in attack. 

The way we play now is almost like the complete opposite. We have no power, we have no leadership, our defence is rarely organised, we play very slow, we barely take any long range shots, and the flair players are so stifled by the demands to play precision football that they don't get to show much flair or individual ability. It's only Palmer that does it. We're weak from corners, we don't counter attack. We're boring.

1 hour ago, timetowaste said:

But the important thing to remember is that it's the players on the pitch and the manager on the sidelines, not the owners, so when it's the first game of the season and you've got people groaning and booing in the stands you're going to be pretty bothered by it. Not to mention all of the sh*t they have to read on social media. The away support is almost always great and get behind the team even if they don't agree with what's happening off the pitch and for me that's what should be happening right now at home. If we're a few months down the line and we're playing terribly then people can show their displeasure, but a new season should be a new beginning. Carrying on the negativity from last season into this just helps nobody.

Im totally against booing our team or players, but when our player is standing like a statue with the ball at his feet when we are a goal down, our fans are not going to sit passively admiring the so called " bait the press" tactic.

Thank god City couldn't be bothered to take the bait !.

If I remember correctly poch took players off that was playing well

and left sterling on who wasn’t great , fans let him know it.

dont be surprised maresca you was at that game.

maresca getting paid a fortune now - time to step up and earn it.

Real problem is owners want a yes man

soon as poch said he wanted to keep conner

see you later

6 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The only criticism given to Poch for the first few matches were down to him abandoning what worked preseason. 

From matchweek 5 to matchweek 30 we teetered from 14th to 10th in the league whilst playing some chaotic football. Coincidentally, a lot of the improvement we saw in the latter stage of last season came from Poch actually reverting back to what worked in preseason. 

And having a sh*tload of injuries didn't help either did it? It's strange how people gloss over that part.

It was hard to build anything when the starting 11 couldn't stay fit. 

One thing I've noticed with Maresca is he doesn't comment really on incoming players. He doesn't say it is easier to have 28 players. He doesn't say I love this or that player. Maybe he knows he is just the head coach. Club buys players whatever he says. Naturally they ask whether the player is suited for him but other than that he "improves players he has" and everything else is someone else's problem. 

Pochettino for example commented on players as he was asked. He is old school.

Maybe this is what the club needs. Just a coach.

47 minutes ago, evissy said:

One thing I've noticed with Maresca is he doesn't comment really on incoming players. He doesn't say it is easier to have 28 players. He doesn't say I love this or that player. Maybe he knows he is just the head coach. Club buys players whatever he says. Naturally they ask whether the player is suited for him but other than that he "improves players he has" and everything else is someone else's problem. 

Pochettino for example commented on players as he was asked. He is old school.

Maybe this is what the club needs. Just a coach.

Wait for it.... if things start to fall appart and he's in the firing line all the usual lines will be pushed out 

38 minutes ago, theGreenBaron said:

Wait for it.... if things start to fall appart and he's in the firing line all the usual lines will be pushed out 

I realize this but Tuchel and Pochettino both made their ideas clear about squad size and player type and such pretty early on. Enzo's, so far, been the mouthpiece they want. I agree it is only tested when he is in a tough spot.