2 hours ago, Remodez said:

Reported by who? I find this bizarre and not quite sure how its possible.

It was reported as a obligation. In every obligation within a loan you always agree fee and wages beforehand. Otherwise you just call it a loan with an option to buy.

The other side of the coin podcast quoted someone stating it. I don't pay attention to who they quoted, could be a garbage source or on the money.

7 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

https://x.com/HH_comps/status/1899490253427106234

1 goal and 3 assists from 5 games on the right. Apparently we're not allowed to acknowledge a player is better in certain positions though :(

Those numbers don’t like right. Has 2 goals on the right v Bournemouth & Southampton, and one assist v Heidenheim playing on the right.

6 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Or keep him and keep playing him.

Is he good enough for a team competing for top 4 though? Yesterday watched Yamal, Raphinha, Doue, Barcola & Kvaratskhelia put on quality performances on the grand stage, and had a look at our options on the wings again.

8 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

This is where watching the games helps. 👍

He hasn’t had a contribution since the first week of Jan. We are in mid March presently, and a grand total of 8 games.

15 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Those numbers don’t like right. Has 2 goals on the right v Bournemouth & Southampton, and one assist v Heidenheim playing on the right.

Is he good enough for a team competing for top 4 though? Yesterday watched Yamal, Raphinha, Doue, Barcola & Kvaratskhelia put on quality performances on the grand stage, and had a look at our options on the wings again.

He hasn’t had a contribution since the first week of Jan. We are in mid March presently, and a grand total of 8 games.

All of those players are way ahead of Sancho. If there is any way out of this deal, I hope we can find it. He's not good enough.

2 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

All of those players are way ahead of Sancho. If there is any way out of this deal, I hope we can find it. He's not good enough.

I think for 20 odd million he's a bargain tbh, should definitely be snapped up.

He might not be the prospect he was touted as when he was at Dortmund in his younger years but he's still a good player.

8 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

I think for 20 odd million he's a bargain tbh, should definitely be snapped up.

He might not be the prospect he was touted as when he was at Dortmund in his younger years but he's still a good player.

To be a bargain, you need to actually offer something. When is he going to win us a game of football and offer something consistently? He's very easy to play against. Just tap tap tap, play a 5 yard pass, tap tap tap, play another 5 yard pass. No pace, no strength, little flair, just a nice touch now and again that goes nowhere. The most Maresca-ball player we have.

30 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

To be a bargain, you need to actually offer something. When is he going to win us a game of football and offer something consistently? He's very easy to play against. Just tap tap tap, play a 5 yard pass, tap tap tap, play another 5 yard pass. No pace, no strength, little flair, just a nice touch now and again that goes nowhere. The most Maresca-ball player we have.

This is the problem with having Maresca as our manager. Sancho has the fundamentals to be a very good player but under Maresca's management he'll never improve what he lacks.

2 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

To be a bargain, you need to actually offer something. When is he going to win us a game of football and offer something consistently? He's very easy to play against. Just tap tap tap, play a 5 yard pass, tap tap tap, play another 5 yard pass. No pace, no strength, little flair, just a nice touch now and again that goes nowhere. The most Maresca-ball player we have.

And if we had a Haaland or any top striker up front a lot of those 5 yard passes would be in the back of the net.

But I do take your point as he’s got to give a lot more.

11 hours ago, ducavis said:

Those numbers don’t like right. Has 2 goals on the right v Bournemouth & Southampton, and one assist v Heidenheim playing on the right.

Is he good enough for a team competing for top 4 though? Yesterday watched Yamal, Raphinha, Doue, Barcola & Kvaratskhelia put on quality performances on the grand stage, and had a look at our options on the wings again.

He hasn’t had a contribution since the first week of Jan. We are in mid March presently, and a grand total of 8 games.

two assists v Heidenheim, penalty won against Leicester, goal against Southampton. As far as i'm aware he didn't score against Bournemouth?

City are competing for the top 4 with Savio and Doku, biggest difference is they have someone to finish their chances. Same with Forest with CHO and Elanga.

Palmer hasn't had a contribution since the second week of January, i'd say its more an indictment of the manager again.

9 hours ago, timetowaste said:

This is the problem with having Maresca as our manager. Sancho has the fundamentals to be a very good player but under Maresca's management he'll never improve what he lacks.

How many more years are we going to say this for Sancho? He's shown nothing since his first stint at Dortmund, and he's been under multiple coaches, not just Maresca. It's been 4 years in which he has shown little, much like Felix. £20m is not a bargain, he's not worth more than that when we sold CHO for much, much less. But I'd keep him as a bench option and upgrade the position.

9 hours ago, 19seventyone said:

And if we had a Haaland or any top striker up front a lot of those 5 yard passes would be in the back of the net.

But I do take your point as he’s got to give a lot more.

Nope doesn’t work that way. Metrics would show he is underperforming but scarily enough it shows he is over performing, same with Neto. A top CF (which we are not signing btw) will score 20 odd league goals, but we still need at least 1 of our wingers to hit double figures alongside Palmer to be a dead cert for top 4.

1 hour ago, RMH said:

How many more years are we going to say this for Sancho? He's shown nothing since his first stint at Dortmund, and he's been under multiple coaches, not just Maresca. It's been 4 years in which he has shown little, much like Felix. £20m is not a bargain, he's not worth more than that when we sold CHO for much, much less. But I'd keep him as a bench option and upgrade the position.

CHO with his G/A every 283 mins better than Sancho with a G/A every 198 mins? this is recency bias.

£20m is a bargain in todays market.

Sancho is fine for 20M. Looks a lot more comfortable on the right without Cucu consistently getting in the way.

I think with a new coach next season who actually wants to attack having intelligent players with such sublime close control as Jadon will make us a right entertaining prospect.

18 minutes ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Sancho is fine for 20M. Looks a lot more comfortable on the right without Cucu consistently getting in the way.

I think with a new coach next season who actually wants to attack having intelligent players with such sublime close control as Jadon will make us a right entertaining prospect.

If it wasn't for Cucu "getting in the way" of our wingers, we wouldn't have won the last game. He's on better numbers than our wingers, which is telling.

28 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

CHO with his G/A every 283 mins better than Sancho with a G/A every 198 mins? this is recency bias.

£20m is a bargain in todays market.

You can't have it both ways, Felix is on a goal per 193', talk about bias.

19 minutes ago, RMH said:

If it wasn't for Cucu "getting in the way" of our wingers, we wouldn't have won the last game. He's on better numbers than our wingers, which is telling.

Due to the system that grants him all the freedom in the world and papers over his defensive deficiencies but that’s a debate for another thread.

Point stands when our winger is allowed to be a winger, he looks good.

Find it bizarre how people can critique Sancho's output when all our other wingers struggle with the same issue. It's either all our wingers are terrible or the system might be an issue. I know which is more likely.

9 minutes ago, Remodez said:

Find it bizarre how people can critique Sancho's output when all our other wingers struggle with the same issue. It's either all our wingers are terrible or the system might be an issue. I know which is more likely.

It can be both. And it most likely is both.

1 hour ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

CHO with his G/A every 283 mins better than Sancho with a G/A every 198 mins? this is recency bias.

£20m is a bargain in todays market.

Those Sancho numbers look wrong. He is actually on a G/A every 227mins

Jadon Sancho has not completed a cross or had a shot on target in 2025.

☝️Even the eye test will struggle to defend that.

33 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Jadon Sancho has not completed a cross or had a shot on target in 2025.

☝️Even the eye test will struggle to defend that.

The eye test will tell you that our wingers have no one to cross to.

Noni has 9 successful crosses out of 49, Neto has 19 out of 71 and finally Sancho has 0 out of 15. If he whipped more in brainlessly he would be on par with our other wingers success rates.

Shooting is a valid critique, even the most stern Sancho fan will tell you he needs to shoot more.

1 hour ago, Remodez said:

Find it bizarre how people can critique Sancho's output when all our other wingers struggle with the same issue. It's either all our wingers are terrible or the system might be an issue. I know which is more likely.

I think that it is a combination of both, Maresca's system is not good for players to score but we can't pretend that Neto and Sancho have been high goal scorers under any other coach, Neto is on a goal per 373 minutes and last season he was on a goal per 576 minutes, and Sancho was on a goal per 531 minutes last season and 348 minutes the season before last. Their output has not been too good for wingers in the last couple of seasons, and playing in different teams.

2 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Due to the system that grants him all the freedom in the world and papers over his defensive deficiencies but that’s a debate for another thread.

Point stands when our winger is allowed to be a winger, he looks good.

He doesn't, though. He hasn't been prolific or looked that good as a winger since he left Dortmund the first time. The argument is the same as for Felix.

I don't give a damn how much Sancho will eventually cost us, his output as a regular starter quite simply isn't good enough, and even if we changed managers, it still wouldn't be good enough. If we signed an entire squad full of 20m players, would we be saying it's fine because they cost us 20m? No, we would be saying we need better if we want to regularly compete again.

It wasn't enough at United under multiple managers and it won't be here. He's simply not suited to be a winger in the Premier League.

6 hours ago, ducavis said:

Those Sancho numbers look wrong. He is actually on a G/A every 227mins

1591 minutes and 8 G/A

Jadon Sancho - Stats 24/25 | Tra...

Jadon Sancho - Stats 24/25

6 hours ago, ducavis said:

Jadon Sancho has not completed a cross or had a shot on target in 2025.

☝️Even the eye test will struggle to defend that.

Only last game he put two across the goal mouth that any normal striker puts in.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

I don't give a damn how much Sancho will eventually cost us, his output as a regular starter quite simply isn't good enough, and even if we changed managers, it still wouldn't be good enough. If we signed an entire squad full of 20m players, would we be saying it's fine because they cost us 20m? No, we would be saying we need better if we want to regularly compete again.

It wasn't enough at United under multiple managers and it won't be here. He's simply not suited to be a winger in the Premier League.

More output than CHO that everyone is now moaning about