11 minutes ago, big blue said:

Zaha would be disappointing. 

He dribbles with eyes closed, while team mates are screaming for the ball. I can't imagine he is a player you would enjoy playing with. 

Maybe he wouldn't try to do it all by himself, if he were surrounded by better players. I don't think he has shown enough ability to take that chance, especially for a club record fee. 

He would be an interesting option, but he would definitely not be an improvement.

Failed at Man Utd and had to come back to his level.

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

Failed at Man Utd and had to come back to his level.

I don’t think you can hold that against him. He was very young and he hasn’t been given a fair chance either. 

I’d take him, very exciting player and he’d get more goals than Willian and Pedro.

Michy is a much better option, and he's ours.

25 minutes ago, coco said:

Michy is a much better option, and he's ours.

Completely different players...

1 minute ago, doctorblue said:

Completely different players...

yes your'e right, but we dont need a zaha, we need a Michy, we have at least 4 options already in the front wide positions, Zaha would be sat on the bench most of the time.

Have people forgotten how bad Michy was here? We are in for a nasty surprise if we are pinning our hopes on him this season.

We are not doing anything of note this season unless we sign a top class striker before the window close.

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Failed at Man Utd and had to come back to his level.

He was 21 at the time and came in when Moyes was at the club. Had Fergie stuck around i'd put money on Zaha being a top winger now. He's ready to step up to a top 6 club. 

2 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Have people forgotten how bad Michy was here? We are in for a nasty surprise if we are pinning our hopes on him this season.

We are not doing anything of note this season unless we sign a top class striker before the window close.

He wasn't bad, Conte just didn't know how to use him. I'd like to see you sit on the bench for 3 months and come on for 1 game and prove yourself. Michy proved at every other club he has been at that he's a consistent goal scorer. Top scorer if he leads the line for Chelsea next season, watch. 

3 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

He wasn't bad, Conte just didn't know how to use him. I'd like to see you sit on the bench for 3 months and come on for 1 game and prove yourself. Michy proved at every other club he has been at that he's a consistent goal scorer. Top scorer if he leads the line for Chelsea next season, watch. 

He couldn't control a football mate. Or pass the ball. He struggles with the basics.

He got chances early last season when Morata was injured or suspended and was so poor for multiple games that the manager would rather play with a false nine than have Bats on the pitch.

 

20 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Have people forgotten how bad Michy was here?

Give him the minutes Morata has been afforded and then judge him,

I like zaha but I don't see how we need another left sided attacking player. I think it's all talk 

1 minute ago, Sindre said:

He couldn't control a football mate. Or pass the ball. He struggles with the basics.

He got chances early last season when Morata was injured or suspended and was so poor for multiple games that the manager would rather play with a false nine than have Bats on the pitch.

 

Amazing that a footballer that is so bad at the very basics of football can average a goal nearly every other game. Pretty sure he was given about 2 starts from what i remember. Community shield and then Burnley. Yeah Conte gave him loads of opportunities...

Give him Morata's starts and he scores more. Simple. 

2 hours ago, Nibs said:

I think over the course of a season, he would give you more than either Willian or Pedro. But if one or both of them are staying and with the emergence of Hudson-Odoi, I really don't want anything to hamper his delevlopment, as I can see an exciting season ahead for him but not if he slips down the pecking order.

 

I think that 1st sentence is highly debatable. 

Willian and Pedro have both put up similar numbers to zaha over the past 3 seasons, despite playing a lot less minutes. 

This is just the numbers, it doesn't take into account zaha dribbling down blind alleys like the monk from mean machine. 

Zaha has played on a weaker side, but on the flip side, Willian and Pedro haven't had a team built around them.

Zaha might improve, and Willian and Pedro will naturally decline, but is it really a big enough upgrade to warrant such a big layout? 

46 minutes ago, big blue said:

I think that 1st sentence is highly debatable. 

Willian and Pedro have both put up similar numbers to zaha over the past 3 seasons, despite playing a lot less minutes. 

This is just the numbers, it doesn't take into account zaha dribbling down blind alleys like the monk from mean machine. 

Zaha has played on a weaker side, but on the flip side, Willian and Pedro haven't had a team built around them.

Zaha might improve, and Willian and Pedro will naturally decline, but is it really a big enough upgrade to warrant such a big layout? 

I think we've already had this debate Big Blue in the Hazard thread a while back. I think at the time, I was saying that Zaha would be an option if we lost 2 of Hazard, Willian & Pedro.

I recall being ridiculed by a few (and to be fair I'm not totally convinced with Zaha myself). BUT, he IS decent. The more money you had to stump up the more of a gamble it would be and it does look like Palace would hold out for around £70M which sounds outrageous but that's modern day football for you. I still maintain that he would give better value than City have got with Mahrez and I do think he would win us more points than Pedro and Willian. Can't be denied that with No Zaha last season, Palace would now be in the Championship - he WAS that much of a difference.

All that said, I would still rather we see a lot more of Hudson-Odoi this season and keep the money in the bank. 

Edited August 3, 20187 yr by Nibs

I think Dortmunds style of play, is similar to Napoli and Sarri, they created chances, Michy put them away!

58 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Amazing that a footballer that is so bad at the very basics of football can average a goal nearly every other game. Pretty sure he was given about 2 starts from what i remember. Community shield and then Burnley. Yeah Conte gave him loads of opportunities...

Give him Morata's starts and he scores more. Simple. 

And he was horrendous in both and then had the worst ever Chelsea striker-performance shortly thereafter against Palace away.

You don't get unlimited amount of chances at a top club. 

 

2 hours ago, Sindre said:

Have people forgotten how bad Michy was here? We are in for a nasty surprise if we are pinning our hopes on him this season.

We are not doing anything of note this season unless we sign a top class striker before the window close.

I've not forgotten and have said before that sending him out on loan was definitely the best thing to do at the time - he improved a lot in Germany and I hope he can maintain that standard for us this season.

I still think Morata is the better player overall. If we start the season with Morata, Michy and Giroud as striking options I wouldn't be too unhappy.

1 hour ago, bluedave said:

I've not forgotten and have said before that sending him out on loan was definitely the best thing to do at the time - he improved a lot in Germany and I hope he can maintain that standard for us this season.

I still think Morata is the better player overall. If we start the season with Morata, Michy and Giroud as striking options I wouldn't be too unhappy.

If we want to finish in the top four those three won't be good enough.

2 hours ago, Sindre said:

And he was horrendous in both and then had the worst ever Chelsea striker-performance shortly thereafter against Palace away.

You don't get unlimited amount of chances at a top club. 

 

Brilliant, we're writing people off after two back-to-back starts now. Got it. Worst Chelsea striker performance? Torres and Morata would have several things to say about that. 

1 hour ago, bluedave said:

I've not forgotten and have said before that sending him out on loan was definitely the best thing to do at the time - he improved a lot in Germany and I hope he can maintain that standard for us this season.

I still think Morata is the better player overall. If we start the season with Morata, Michy and Giroud as striking options I wouldn't be too unhappy.

Your avatar looks like it's watching two of those three playing. Lol

10 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Brilliant, we're writing people off after two back-to-back starts now. Got it. Worst Chelsea striker performance? Torres and Morata would have several things to say about that. 

Yes, we can when it's obvious the quality isn't there.
Drinkwater only got a couple of starts in a row last season as well, we can all easily see he isn't Chelsea-quality.
Quality players deliver when they get a chance.

Go watch those three games again and come back to me. Even Morata changed the game completely when he came on for Michy against Burnley.

Btw, Higuain confirmed in todays press conference with AC Milan that Sarri wanted him here.
So clearly the manager isn't overly confident in the strikers we have at the club at the moment either.

Edited August 3, 20187 yr by Sindre

5 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Yes, we can when it's obvious the quality isn't there.
Drinkwater only got a couple of starts in a row last season as well, we can all easily see he isn't Chelsea-quality.
Quality players deliver when they get a chance.

Go watch those three games again and come back to me. Even Morata changed the game completely when he came on for Michy against Burnley.

Btw, Higuain confirmed in todays press conference with AC Milan that Sarri wanted him here.
So clearly the manager isn't overly confident in the strikers we have at the club at the moment either.

How is he scoring so many goals for literally every single other club he's at if the quality isn't there? Have you thought that perhaps it was just Conte's tactics that didn't suit him?

Salah didn't deliver with the chances he got. KdB didn't deliver with the chances he got. A change of manager and they're both now world class. Would be beyond stupid to sell him because he didn't work for 3 games under a manager that clearly didn't want to play him anyway. 

Even with the vast majority of his appearances coming on for the last 5 minutes to run a game down he still managed 19 goals in 53 games with Conte. More than a goal every third game. That's already better than Morata's goal every 0.31 for Chelsea last year. 

Sarri apparently wants Vecino too, does that mean he isn't confident in either Kante or Jorginho? Its called depth. 

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

How is he scoring so many goals for literally every single other club he's at if the quality isn't there? Have you thought that perhaps it was just Conte's tactics that didn't suit him?

Salah didn't deliver with the chances he got. KdB didn't deliver with the chances he got. A change of manager and they're both now world class. Would be beyond stupid to sell him because he didn't work for 3 games under a manager that clearly didn't want to play him anyway. 

Even with the vast majority of his appearances coming on for the last 5 minutes to run a game down he still managed 19 goals in 53 games with Conte. More than a goal every third game. That's already better than Morata's goal every 0.31 for Chelsea last year. 

Sarri apparently wants Vecino too, does that mean he isn't confident in either Kante or Jorginho? Its called depth. 

Go have a look at who he scores against. Lower league sides and relegation fodder.

And let's not be ridiculous, he didn't want Higuain for depth clearly. Higuain is multiple levels above any striker we have at the club. And we already have three strikers at the club for one position. Depth isn't needed.
Quality however is.

1 hour ago, Sindre said:

Go have a look at who he scores against. Lower league sides and relegation fodder.

And let's not be ridiculous, he didn't want Higuain for depth clearly. Higuain is multiple levels above any striker we have at the club. And we already have three strikers at the club for one position. Depth isn't needed.
Quality however is.

Last year Aguero played 28 games and scored 23 goals. Only 2 of those goals came against a top 6 team (Arsenal/Liverpool). 

Would you take him as our striker or claim he only scores and lower league sides and relegation fodder?

We have other players that are match winners, we need a striker that can simply finish chances. Exactly what Batshuayi does.

Give him the minutes Morata has been afforded and then judge him,

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