And none of those players are remotely good enough (bar Sturridge) to get first team consideration. I mean we had to go to the Championship to find a club that would give McEachran first team consideration. This is how an academy works, every player coming up isnt going to be a star and the players you mentioned arent Chelsea quality. And a few others are coming back to prove themselves. Seems to me that you are just looking for ways to critisize the club here and non of the players you mentioned have had as successfull loan spell as the one Kevin DeBruyne has had. Not even close.

 

McEachran played well every time Carlo gave him a chance. He ran the game against the likes of Villa and Newcastle. He didn't look out of place at all in the CL against the likes of Marseille even at the age of 17/18. He had a disappointing spell at Swansea where Rogers wasted him because he was in a relegation battle and didn't want to risk him, and that stunted his development. 

 

To say he wasn't good enough is simply wrong.

McEachran played well every time Carlo gave him a chance. He ran the game against the likes of Villa and Newcastle. He didn't look out of place at all in the CL against the likes of Marseille even at the age of 17/18. He had a disappointing spell at Swansea where Rogers wasted him because he was in a relegation battle and didn't want to risk him, and that stunted his development. 

 

To say he wasn't good enough is simply wrong.

 

Why is it wrong? If he was so good, surely we wouldnt have to loan him out to a Championship club?

Doesnt really matter though, he is still under contract and if hes as good as you suggest, surely he will be able to get games in our less then stellar central midfield. Sevral of the others you mentioned are also still under contract, Im not sure what you want the club to do here? Would you rather have kept them around and gave them one or two games in the league cup or loaned them out to a club they can actually get games for?

There are a number of young players who I have thoguht over the years could have made it with us if they'd been given the opportunities. And there are others who have gone on to prove they could have done once they left.

 

Such as:

 

Sturridge, Matic, Stoch, McEachran (will probably leave soon), Bruma & Van Aarnholt (unlikely to get a chance), Mancienne, etc...

 

Not to mention all the youth players we've spent millions and millions of pounds on to get nothing out of them in return, like Kakuta, Woods, Taiwo, etc...

 

Sturridge deserved a place over Torres, but he was never our future.  City sold him for a reason and he's never going to be as good as the best strikers in the league.  He was never going to fill Drogba's boots.  Would you have Stoch over Hazard, Mata or Oscar in our squad?  Even Moses?  Josh was sent to Swansea and struggled.  We decided on Bertrand over PVA who seems to be suspect defensively.  Again would you have Bruma or Mancienne over Luiz, Ivanovic, Terry or Cahill?

 

Matic is the only one I think we should have given more of an opportunity because he'd be competing with Mikel.  The others haven't gone onto great teams and done wonderful things.  They're all in either poor leagues or at midtable clubs.  These things take time to build and even successful academies cannot produce golden generations consistently.  But we've got Bertrand who is doing a good job for us and Chalobah who looks like he'll become world class.  We've bought some of the best up and coming talent in Europe for next to nothing and everyone wants to buy them from us and all anyone seems to want to do is complain about how incompetent the club is. 

Lol and Matic wouldn't as exactly be a guarantee starter at Chelsea.

 

Yes he bloody would, our midfield is crap, an under performing Ramires, an aging Lampard and ....Mikel is not a good midfield. I'd have him as a starter every game.

yeah, well i never said i expect loads of quality players to come through. i expect more than one, and that one (bertrand) is nothing to brag about

 

in all likelihood we have fukked up with mceachran. he most likely wont succeed at chelsea. we have wasted a year of his development, then sent him on loan to club where he didnt play at all. in 2 years time people will say 'its not our fault he obviously wasnt good enough' yet its a fact that chelsea wasted 2 years of his career

 

we almost did the same with lukaku, letting him rot in the reserves for a year

 

what has come off kakuta? he was so promising that we needed to break the rules to get him.

 

theres no way cleverley had more natural talent than mceachran, but we have cleverley being in their first team and mceachran most likely ending up at a mid table club

 

We wanted to loan Lukaku out last year but couldn't., loaning mceachran out to Swansea made perfect sense considering the style of play and the clubs manager, its not Chelsea fault he didn't get loads of games and the games he did start in from what i can remember he wasn't fantastic. Mceachran hasn't done that well at Boro, Chalaboh has though,so has KDB and Lukaku,Kakuta a player i really liked and still do was poor out on loan at Fulham and Bolton,did well last year in France and he done ok at Vitesse. Sturridge went out on loan to Bolton and really impressed and the next season got himself in the starting eleven because of it thats the difference.

 

Cleverley done well in the Championship though where he scored goals (somehow) but he gets games in an average Utd midfield unfortunately for Mceachran when he was coming through under Carlo we were stocked in CM with the likes of Deco,Ballack,Mikel,Essien etc.

Why is it wrong? If he was so good, surely we wouldnt have to loan him out to a Championship club?

Doesnt really matter though, he is still under contract and if hes as good as you suggest, surely he will be able to get games in our less then stellar central midfield. Sevral of the others you mentioned are also still under contract, Im not sure what you want the club to do here? Would you rather have kept them around and gave them one or two games in the league cup or loaned them out to a club they can actually get games for?

 

When AVB came in he turfed the entire youth team out of the training complex if you recall, using his coaches when they were short of players instead of letting younger players join in. He obviously had no interest whatsoever in playing the youngsters, that's why he was loaned out, because he was never going to get a chance. He played about 60 minutes in 6 months under AVB.

 

I don't have a problem with loaning players out, but Chelsea seem to just do that and never actually give the players a chance in our team. Bertrand was loaned out until he was about 22 before he even got a game with us. If you look at clubs who successfully bring players through like Man Utd and Arsenal, they loan these players out unjtil they are about 19/20 and then start bedding them into the team.

 

These players need games with Chelsea. Not just 5 minutes at the end of games we've already won or 2 games in the League Cup. Clubs that bring players through successfully give them chances in important games. Without taking the risk there will be no reward.

 

Look at Man utd. Do you honestly think Cleverly or Wellbeck are miles better than people like Josh, Piazon, etc...? No, but they've been given the chance in the first team to show what they can do. Our players haven't been.

There are a number of young players who I have thoguht over the years could have made it with us if they'd been given the opportunities. And there are others who have gone on to prove they could have done once they left.

 

Such as:

 

Sturridge, Matic, Stoch, McEachran (will probably leave soon), Bruma & Van Aarnholt (unlikely to get a chance), Mancienne, etc...

 

Not to mention all the youth players we've spent millions and millions of pounds on to get nothing out of them in return, like Kakuta, Woods, Taiwo, etc...

 

We wanted to keep Stoch, there is for me barley any difference between PVA and Bertrand.Arnesen spent money on young kids and got some wrong agreed but who wouldn't?.

We wanted to loan Lukaku out last year but couldn't., loaning mceachran out to Swansea made perfect sense considering the style of play and the clubs manager, its not Chelsea fault he didn't get loads of games and the games he did start in from what i can remember he wasn't fantastic. Mceachran hasn't done that well at Boro, Chalaboh has though,so has KDB and Lukaku,

 

we couldve loaned lukaku, at least in the january transfer window, instead he got a few minutes in the last fixture of the season

 

deciding where to go on loan is a discussion between the player and the club. the swansea loan was obviously the wrong move, that wasnt well thought out, its definitely someones fault. he shouldve gone to championship instead

 

kdb has done fantastic, and if i were a betting man, id put money on him either going on another loan, or being sold

 

does anyone really think all 3 of chalobah, de bruyne and lukaku will end up playing for chelsea? i certainly dont, and will be happy only 1 of them does

we couldve loaned lukaku, at least in the january transfer window, instead he got a few minutes in the last fixture of the season

 

deciding where to go on loan is a discussion between the player and the club. the swansea loan was obviously the wrong move, that wasnt well thought out, its definitely someones fault. he shouldve gone to championship instead

 

kdb has done fantastic, and if i were a betting man, id put money on him either going on another loan, or being sold

 

does anyone really think all 3 of chalobah, de bruyne and lukaku will end up playing for chelsea? i certainly dont, and will be happy only 1 of them does

 

Good question, they all have the quality to do so.I want them all too,depends on who we bring in the summer though.

Yes he bloody would, our midfield is crap, an under performing Ramires, an aging Lampard and ....Mikel is not a good midfield. I'd have him as a starter every game.

 

Id have Ramires and Lampard over him and Luiz in CM, but agreed i would probably have him over Mikel.

We can argue all day about our youth policy, when we keep spending the money we do on players and changing managers as quickøy as we do, taking time to intergrate youth isnt going to be a high priority.

We have however never let a player go that has shown the qualities that KdB has. Theres just no presidence shown for a situation like this, so moaning about how is going to be let go because we have a track record for doing so simply isnt true. Ill say it one morw time, barring an opportunity to get Lewandowski, we arent letting him go. Absolutely no chance

Sturridge deserved a place over Torres, but he was never our future.  City sold him for a reason and he's never going to be as good as the best strikers in the league.  He was never going to fill Drogba's boots.  Would you have Stoch over Hazard, Mata or Oscar in our squad?  Even Moses?  Josh was sent to Swansea and struggled.  We decided on Bertrand over PVA who seems to be suspect defensively.  Again would you have Bruma or Mancienne over Luiz, Ivanovic, Terry or Cahill?

I would gladly have Stoch over Moses and I would probably take Bruma over Cahill too, Cahill isn't significantly better and as far as defending goes I would give Bruma the edge. 

Sturridge deserved a place over Torres, but he was never our future.  City sold him for a reason and he's never going to be as good as the best strikers in the league.  He was never going to fill Drogba's boots.  Would you have Stoch over Hazard, Mata or Oscar in our squad?  Even Moses?  Josh was sent to Swansea and struggled.  We decided on Bertrand over PVA who seems to be suspect defensively.  Again would you have Bruma or Mancienne over Luiz, Ivanovic, Terry or Cahill?

I would gladly have Stoch over Moses and I would probably take Bruma over Cahill too, Cahill isn't significantly better and as far as defending goes I would give Bruma the edge. 

Thank God you are not the one making the decisions then.

Thank God you are not the one making the decisions then.

I'll have you know I do very well with my Chelsea squad on Football Manager.

No way Bruma will make it here now.

 

I did have high hopes for Kalas, he seems to be a Ivanovic-type player and is doing well on loan. But again, I doubt it since we never give these guys a chance.

I don't rate Bruma at all, people saying he's better than Cahill make me laugh

Bruma isnt better then Cahill, not even close to being on his level. And Im far from Cahills biggest fan. Bruma has been straight up poor for Hamburg. If he was anything like Cahill, he wouldnt be riding the bench for a mid table german side,.

I would gladly have Stoch over Moses and I would probably take Bruma over Cahill too, Cahill isn't significantly better and as far as defending goes I would give Bruma the edge. 

 

Bruma is not as good as Cahill.  As for Stoch, he doesn't seem to have made many appearances and he has 1 goal 1 assist this season according to ESPN.  For club and country in the Turkish league.  This is grasping at straws over some perceived mismanagement of youth who just weren't good enough to make it here.  Perhaps they should have been given more of an opportunity, but perhaps they were just really unimpressive in training as all but 1 seem to be way below the standard we're after to me.  

 

We wouldn't have a transfer speculation thread for any of these players if they had nothing to do with us.  Very few of us would even know who they are.  Matic appears to be the only one we can legitimately regret letting go, and I honestly don't watch Benfica often enough to know if he's consistently good.  He just seemed to be pretty good in this years Europa campaign.  

What an absolute master class from De Bruyne today. Make no mistake this kid is destined for the very top.

If Jose saw it he will be thinking what an asset for next season who needs Shurrle !

What an absolute master class from De Bruyne today. Make no mistake this kid is destined for the very top.

If Jose saw it he will be thinking what an asset for next season who needs Shurrle !

 

You think Jose thought "This guy needs to be a winger"?

Academies take time though you cant just throw money at it and expect loads of quality young players to come through.Currently we are seeing the benefits i believe especially when you see some of the young players in the under 18's and the football they play.I don't see many youngsters we have let go that our good enough for us.

 

At the rate we're signing under - 25 players, it doesn't make a difference if there are any quality players coming through the academy because the club wont need the academy players (as if they needed them anyway) for at least the next half a dozen years.

The thing that is most annoying is the lack of faith by the management at CFC in the promising talents from the academy and people here talking about "not good enough for us" showing the same attitude. People here are too eager to pass the "not good enough for us"  verdict without the player even playing a single game for the senior team.

Is a player supposed to be producing amazing football without actually given a chance to compete with the big boys to be considered for the team ?

That type of player usually comes once in a generation so the rest should be "not good enough for us".

 

A player is deemed to be fit enough to play for the senior team only if he's a finished product. An unfinished product is not allowed to come near the senior team especially if he's from the academy. An unfinished product plays for the first team only if he's been bought for 20M+ and we all hope that he would come good in the future.

 

I wish people would wait and see if the club does anything stupid before getting outraged and accusatory over speculation.  I've not heard anything about selling KDB.  I've only heard that at least two big clubs in Germany want him.  Trust us to take that as a negative. 

 

The outrage and accusatory is not about rumors of selling KDB but the indecision in simply bringing him back. What else he got left to prove that the club is determined to send him on loan to Leverkusen to buy a redundancy called Schurrle ?

The decision to bring him back couldn't be simpler but the inescapable simple decision has yet again eluded the board and whoever is in-charge of the squad.

When the likes of Moses are getting senior team football, then how hard will it be for KDB ?

I think that we put too much emphasis on how players do on loan. cleverly and welbeck were not exactly world beaters on loan, but they got enough minutes and experience to be trusted in the first team.

Going out on loan is mainly to mature, we shouldn't be relying on other teams to develop our players. As poorly as kakuta and to a lesser extent mceachran did on loan, I think with them now in the warly twenties we should have them in the squad next season.

if after making 20-30 appearances ovet the 2 seasons they dont look like making the grade, move them on for around 5m and stick some clauses to maximise profits.

Then repeat the process with the best of the next group, like piazon, chalobah, kane, ake, boga.

I think weve been put off by carlo's second season, where we tried to replace world class players like ballack, deco, j.cole, carvalho etc. with rookies. It was too much to soon.

This season weve had the thinnest squad in years, and watching beneyoun get minutes is sickening, when it wouldve been ideal to give kakuta, mceachran or even piazon, minutes to find out where the up to playing for chelsea football club.

not all diamonds shine in the rough.

The outrage and accusatory is not about rumors of selling KDB but the indecision in simply bringing him back. What else he got left to prove that the club is determined to send him on loan to Leverkusen to buy a redundancy called Schurrle ?

The decision to bring him back couldn't be simpler but the inescapable simple decision has yet again eluded the board and whoever is in-charge of the squad.

When the likes of Moses are getting senior team football, then how hard will it be for KDB ?

 

If you listen to the club & his agent, what's been decided about KDB is that he'll go on preseason tour with the first team before making up his mind. So yes, there is indecision about whether to bring him back for next year

 

This is completely sensible.

 

We don't currently have next season's manager in place, and to the extent that we have someone lined up he's 1) busy elsewhere and 2) probably more up on Spanish football than on the German relegation battle. Giving the new manager time to work with KDB before he decides what to do with him is perfectly logical, by Chelsea standards.

 

I also don't think Moses blocks KDB that much. Yes, he's a good player, but KDB by all accounts is better, we could use another player or two at that position anyway (we've got three stars and one solid backup for three attacking midfield slots - unless we expect the Three Amigos to stay this healthy every season, I don't think having six players for three slots is outrageous, especially when Oscar, KDB, and Schurrle can also slide into other positions in a pinch), and Jose has track record for dropping people with Premiership experience when a talented youngster looks better in preseason.

I think that we put too much emphasis on how players do on loan. cleverly and welbeck were not exactly world beaters on loan, but they got enough minutes and experience to be trusted in the first team.

Going out on loan is mainly to mature, we shouldn't be relying on other teams to develop our players. As poorly as kakuta and to a lesser extent mceachran did on loan, I think with them now in the warly twenties we should have them in the squad next season.

if after making 20-30 appearances ovet the 2 seasons they dont look like making the grade, move them on for around 5m and stick some clauses to maximise profits.

Then repeat the process with the best of the next group, like piazon, chalobah, kane, ake, boga.

I think weve been put off by carlo's second season, where we tried to replace world class players like ballack, deco, j.cole, carvalho etc. with rookies. It was too much to soon.

This season weve had the thinnest squad in years, and watching beneyoun get minutes is sickening, when it wouldve been ideal to give kakuta, mceachran or even piazon, minutes to find out where the up to playing for chelsea football club.

not all diamonds shine in the rough.

 

 

 

 

 

There not world beaters now,no idea what people see in Cleverley.

Edited May 18, 201313 yr by jack_super_class

The outrage and accusatory is not about rumors of selling KDB but the indecision in simply bringing him back. What else he got left to prove that the club is determined to send him on loan to Leverkusen to buy a redundancy called Schurrle ?

The decision to bring him back couldn't be simpler but the inescapable simple decision has yet again eluded the board and whoever is in-charge of the squad.

When the likes of Moses are getting senior team football, then how hard will it be for KDB ?

 

Would you please point out to me where the club has said he's not coming back?  He's still on loan in Germany.  The season isn't even over yet and there's outrage over indecision?  You're getting upset over tabloid rumours.