I thought he should have gambled when Rambo shot in the first half and the keeper parried it. Thats what centre forwards should be doing in that situation.

I do think he was unlucky with the one that hit the post, to hit the inside of the post and it not go in IS unlucky. He still goes into his shell though when things like that happen.

Shocking miss from the not offside effort as well. Some good link up play and some terrible first touch's causing attacks to break down. So a bit of a mixed bag.

I know we shouldn't go on about the price tag because thats not his thought blah blah blah but you cant ignore it. You expect more from a £50m center forward i'm afraid.  

Edited April 26, 201313 yr by c3blu2

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Spot on, he doesn't do what a centre forward should do in lots of situations, and his touch last night was woefull, however he was still unlucky!

If Demba Ba had hit that shot last night, everyone would be saying he showed good movement and hit a powerful shot and that he was unlucky, those that argue differently are lying and I'll call you on it now!

 

I'm telling you for a fact that I've been saying the same thing for about a decade. I also don't like it when people say, for example (as its fresh in my mind), the offside saved Torres some embarrassment. He isn't saved/shouln't be saved any embarrassment as he's still missed a golden opportunity. He was trying to get the ball in the goal and failed miserably again. 

If Demba Ba had hit that shot last night, everyone would be saying he showed good movement and hit a powerful shot and that he was unlucky, those that argue differently are lying and I'll call you on it now!

 

Probably. But Torres is ALWAYS unlucky though, thats the thing. At point you have to say that its poor and not just unlucky. He had another one that was just as bad, but nobody noticed because Ramires was onside. Wide open net and he puts it the only place were the keeper has a chance to save it. But I guess Torres was just unlucky that the keeper made a good save

If Demba Ba had hit that shot last night, everyone would be saying he showed good movement and hit a powerful shot and that he was unlucky, those that argue differently are lying and I'll call you on it now!

The shot was fine, it was his overall performance that wasn't. Put it this way. If a 29 year old Drogba had the exact same performance as Torres' last night, would he be getting any plaudits? I highly doubt it. People are just used to Torres' ridiculously low standards to the point where he gets heaps of praise for doing the simplest of tasks. He should be judged as Chelsea's first choice center forward and by no means was that a decent performance yesterday.

Edited April 26, 201313 yr by Amputechture

Their are lots more reasons to be critical of Torres than a good shot where he is unlucky not to score, thats my point!

 

An example.

 

Earlier in the season against Sunderland, we got a penalty and he grabbed the ball and wouldn't let anyone else take it! Why didn't he do the same against Liverpool?

 

Thats a reason to criticise him!

I thought he should have gambled when Rambo shot in the first half and the keeper parried it. Thats what centre forwards should be doing in that situation.

I do think he was unlucky with the one that hit the post, to hit the inside of the post and it not go in IS unlucky. He still goes into his shell though when things like that happen.

Shocking miss from the not offside effort as well. Some good link up play and some terrible first touch's causing attacks to break down. So a bit of a mixed bag.

I know we shouldn't go on about the price tag because thats not his thought blah blah blah but you cant ignore it. You expect more from a £50m center forward i'm afraid.  

 

Just so you don't all think I'm just having a go at Torres all the time, I actually thought he did a justifiable thing when Ramires had the opportunity in the first half. Torres made a run to the far post which wasn't a bad idea. It turned out to be the wrong thing to do, but I don't blame him for it.

I'm telling you for a fact that I've been saying the same thing for about a decade. I also don't like it when people say, for example (as its fresh in my mind), the offside saved Torres some embarrassment. He isn't saved/shouln't be saved any embarrassment as he's still missed a golden opportunity. He was trying to get the ball in the goal and failed miserably again. 

 

 

Probably. But Torres is ALWAYS unlucky though, thats the thing. At point you have to say that its poor and not just unlucky. He had another one that was just as bad, but nobody noticed because Ramires was onside. Wide open net and he puts it the only place were the keeper has a chance to save it. But I guess Torres was just unlucky that the keeper made a good save

 

 

The shot was fine, it was his overall performance that wasn't. Put it this way. If a 29 year old Drogba had the exact same performance as Torres' last night, would he be getting any plaudits? I highly doubt it. People are just used to Torres' ridiculously low standards to the point where he gets heaps of praise for doing the simplest of tasks. He should be judged as Chelsea's first choice center forward and by no means was that a decent performance yesterday.

 

The point was about THAT shot and how unlucky he was, not his overall game or his whole time with us!

 

Cunningstunt, I'll leave you to your own world on this one, lots of players have very good shots saved or hit the post, thats football!

The point was about THAT shot and how unlucky he was, not his overall game or his whole time with us!

 

Cunningstunt, I'll leave you to your own world on this one, lots of players have very good shots saved or hit the post, thats football!

 

They can be good shots, but they're not necessarily unlucky just because they miss.

Yes lots of players have been "unlucky". But nobody is unlucky all the time. I think thats the point some are trying to make. I think if you look at the incident just in itself not seeing who shot, yes off course its unlucky hitting the inside of the post, I even said so in the GDT. But were you even remotely surprised Torres missed? I didnt even get out of my seat when he shot, because I never thought hed hit inside the pipes.

Just so you don't all think I'm just having a go at Torres all the time, I actually thought he did a justifiable thing when Ramires had the opportunity in the first half. Torres made a run to the far post which wasn't a bad idea. It turned out to be the wrong thing to do, but I don't blame him for it.

I know exactly what your saying too in terms of the chance that came back off the post, he should have buried it. Technically he has missed the target its just it was unlucky in terms of 9 times out of 10 if the ball hits that part of the post it goes in which is what makes it unlucky.

Also agree with Xfactor about Torres always being unlucky. When does it stop being unlucky, a good save etc and start becoming another missed chance.

But still agree with shedpensioner that for the reason just given the one that hits the post last night was unlucky.

I can't remember whose header it was last night that hit the keeper, almost right on the line, was that unlucky or bad finishing?

I can't remember whose header it was last night that hit the keeper, almost right on the line, was that unlucky or bad finishing?

 

Certainly wasn't unlucky. Whether it was a bad finish or not is up for debate. I think he could have done better but he didn't have much time to think about it so he just concentrated on hitting the target with as much power as possible. 

Certainly wasn't unlucky. Whether it was a bad finish or not is up for debate. I think he could have done better but he didn't have much time to think about it so he just concentrated on hitting the target with as much power as possible. 

 

Are you being serious? he could only head that in 1 place.

Are you being serious? he could only head that in 1 place.

 

Are YOU being serious? He could have headed it down. He could have glanced it (would have been very difficult tbf), and he could have headed it slightly upwards into the roof of the net. He didn't have time to really think about it though so I don't blame him for it. Wasn't unlucky.

Let's just say Demba Ba should probably start against Swansea...

He should have started against Liverpool. Torres has started the past three games in a row, poor Ba hasn't had a chance to play. Got 10 minutes against Fulham and that was it.

Their are lots more reasons to be critical of Torres than a good shot where he is unlucky not to score, thats my point!

An example.

Earlier in the season against Sunderland, we got a penalty and he grabbed the ball and wouldn't let anyone else take it! Why didn't he do the same against Liverpool?

Thats a reason to criticise him!

I actually thought he'd be desperate to take that, given that was his sixth game against his old club and he has never scored.

Rather than have a bland statement like " it wasn't his worst performance" I'd like people to give specific examples of what he did that they thought was good. dkw has mentioned that he won some excellent headers. Well he did win a few flick ons but surely that's something you would expect from a centre-forward who is 6ft+. And indeed there was one occaision in the 2nd half where he completely jumped under the ball and it bounced clean over his head! It wasn't eactly Drogba like aerial domination.

And whilst I do think the shot that hit the post was unlucky, 2nd half you also had the Ramires' pass which went to Torres who shot straight into the prostrate keeper. Good job the pass to Ramires was called off-side as it saved Torres more embarassment. Then there was the incident where Luiz carried the ball forward and was waiting for Torres to move and give an angle to receive the pass. The ITV cameras caught Luiz's reaction when Torres failed to do so and the pundits rightly commented on it.

I do think the overwhelming majority on here have got the message that the bloke is completely finished as a top class footballer and his inclusion is holding us back. However, there are still a few who simply refuse to accept it and probably.................................. never will.

I thought his headers in the first half were excellent, he put them into the path of our attack well. As you say, its something a 9 should be able to do but when he has 2 defenders on him its still pretty good. That Luiz thing was bang on though, you could see how exasperated he was with Torres. There was also a 3 on 2 late on in the game where Torres only had to play a simple pass to Ramires ( I think) and he completely underhit it when a good pass had us clear on goal. Look, no one is saying he is wonderful, or even good enough. I think everyone knows he is a busted flush and is not going to suddenly become world class again. But also he was not the worst player on the pitch last night, he does not have the worst first touch ever. From me he gets praise for the decent games he plays, and gets sh*t for the sh*t games he plays. Same as every player. 

First touch was utterly appalling yesterday, even by his standards. It's like playing 10 vs 12 the way he gives the ball to the opposition every time it comes near him.

I'm not sure if you have ever played football, and if you have whether you were any good?

 

The way Torres took his shot was textbook finishing, ask anyone who has played the game at any level, they would all have hit that shot in exactly the same way!

 

Same with the header, by ??? it comes at you, and you power it at the goal, you don't worry about direction from that distance you head it hard and hope for the best!

That was Terry's header, he didn't have time to think about it to much. Its not like he could 'pick his spot' he just hit the target from close range with power and the keeper made a himself big and made a good save in the end. 

I'm not sure if you have ever played football, and if you have whether you were any good?

 

The way Torres took his shot was textbook finishing, ask anyone who has played the game at any level, they would all have hit that shot in exactly the same way!

 

Same with the header, by ??? it comes at you, and you power it at the goal, you don't worry about direction from that distance you head it hard and hope for the best!

The header was by JT, and the shot from Torres was pretty much all he could do. He swung it round a defender.

The shot that came off the post really isn't the issue for me, it's the awful first touch. Lost count of the amount of times we are breaking, the ball comes into Torres with his back to goal and it either bounces off his trampoline foot and back to the opposistion or he tries to beat a player and literally just runs straight into them. He gives the ball away FAR too cheaply and his play inside the box isn't good enough to justify it i.e. Hernandez.

 

Despite the fact I feel his missed shot was bad luck and his good headers I do believe that as a top striker he is finished.

I genuinly feel sorry for the guy but it is time for him to move on and as a club we will do ourselves no favours to stay in this static state. Anyone who knows their football will identify this.

I'm not sure if you have ever played football, and if you have whether you were any good?

 

The way Torres took his shot was textbook finishing, ask anyone who has played the game at any level, they would all have hit that shot in exactly the same way!

 

Same with the header, by ??? it comes at you, and you power it at the goal, you don't worry about direction from that distance you head it hard and hope for the best!

 

My whole childhood, up to age of 16 was playing football.

 

It would have been textbook finishing if it hit the target or if the goal extended to his left an inch or 2. As it was he missed the target, and it was not unlucky. Unlucky would be if the ball took a dodgy bobble before contact. The simple fact is that he got the shot wrong. It had nothing to do with luck.

 

I agree with you on the JT header. My point was that he COULD have headed it down, but he didn't have time to think about it. The keeper has to be given credit for that one.