I thought Fabregas played better when Oscar was in the team, it seemed to work really well with Oscar`s movement and ability to find space giving Fabregas another pivot to play off. Shouldn't really compare him to Hazard, he`s a one of with more ability when taking players on.

Not a comparison, just looking at what different players bring to a team is all

oscar is a quality young player, and at the age of 23 can only get better, not worse. I honestly don't understand why we would even entertain the idea of getting rid of him. whom out there is much better and the same age, or even older? 

 

also, another question would be, pogba is one year younger than oscar and what has he achieved compared to oscar? difference now, is that pogba is valued at over 2x the amount that oscar is. if pogba has all this "potential" then so does oscar; not forgetting the latter has played in a more challenging league over the last 2-3 seasons. 

Edited July 16, 201511 yr by enigma

oscar is a quality young player, and at the age of 23 can only get better, not worse. I honestly don't understand why we would even entertain the idea of getting rid of him. whom out there is much better and the same age, or even older? 

 

also, another question would be, pogba is one year younger than oscar and what has he achieved compared to oscar? difference now, is that pogba is valued at over 2x the amount that oscar is. if pogba has all this "potential" then so does oscar; not forgetting the latter has played in a more challenging league over the last 2-3 seasons. 

 

What has Oscar achieved compared to Pogba..?

As you can see, their stats are very similar and both have been improving, though in my opinion oscar has been playing at a higher level (in terms of league) than pogba has. 

 

Oscar

 

  Season Team Comp

2015/2016 Chelsea PRL ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

2014/2015 Chelsea PRL 2038 28 26 2 20 5 6 5 0 0

2013/2014 Chelsea PRL 2140 33 24 9 16 10 8 4 0 0

2012/2013 Chelsea PRL 2294 34 24 10 11 14 4 2 0 0

2012 Internacional GA1 790 9 9 0 2 0 4 0 0 0

2012 Internacional SEA 450 5 5 0 1 0 1 1 0 0

2011 Internacional GA1 742 11 8 3 5 3 0 0 0 0

2011 Internacional SEA 2111 26 24 2 10 3 10 2 0 0

2010 Internacional SEA 150 5 1 4 2 6 0 0 0 0

2009 São Paulo PAA 8 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0

2009 São Paulo SEA 204 11 0 11 0 0 0 0 0 0

 

Total 10927 163 121 42 67 41 33 14 0 0

 

 

Pogba

 

 

Season Team Comp

2014/2015 Juventus SEA 2110 26 24 2 4 6 8 4 0 0

2013/2014 Juventus SEA 3067 36 33 3 3 4 7 4 0 0

2012/2013 Juventus SEA 1733 27 18 9 3 15 5 1 0 1

2011/2012 Manchester United PRL 68 3 0 3 0 11 0 0 0 0

2010/2011 Manchester United PRL 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

 

Total 6978 92 75 17 10 36 20 9 0 1

 

 

Oscar also has vast experience in CL and European cups, as well as Internationally. 

Edited July 16, 201511 yr by enigma

this is easier to post on here. 

 

Pogba - http://uk.soccerway.com/players/paul-pogba/177208/

 

Oscar - http://uk.soccerway.com/players/oscar-dos-santos-emboaba/57860/

Edited July 16, 201511 yr by enigma

Not a comparison, just looking at what different players bring to a team is all

Sorry, I understand that, and it is a good way of showing how a team needs more than one type of attacker. In our case I think we are lucky we have 3 different types in Oscar ,Hazard and Willian.

Vast experience you say, which one of them has appeared in a Champions League final?

Vast experience you say, which one of them has appeared in a Champions League final?

 

World Cup appearances, Premier League winner.....

 

I think a lot of people on here look at others thinking that they'll magically come in and solve everything without any basis for reason whatsoever.

World Cup appearances, Premier League winner.....

 

I think a lot of people on here look at others thinking that they'll magically come in and solve everything without any basis for reason whatsoever.

 

Pogba played at the same world cup for France (winning the WC young player of the year), and has won 3 Serie A titles.

 

I don't really understand this "Oscar has more experience" or has "accomplished more" nonsense.

Edited July 17, 201511 yr by Jonty

Quoting sucks on my phone but barak raises an interesting dilemma that isn't easily answered.

Oscar needs to develop into the kind of player di Maria was at Madrid; dynamic central midfielder whose style of play was the perfect platform to support Modric (Fabregas) or Ronaldo (Hazard) to takr their game up a notch.

"This is the first time I have started pre-season and for me this is very, very important," he told the club's official website on Friday.

"It is important to stay with the family and friends and the full holiday for me this time is very important because for five years I didn’t have that holiday, and in the last three years I played more than 200 games and this is a lot."

Blues boss Jose Mourinho said in May he believed a break away from international commitments this summer could see Oscar reach the heights that Eden Hazard achieved last season.

"Now, because he’s injured he’s not going to the Copa America and I have a feeling that next year Oscar can have the same kind of evolution as [Eden] Hazard had this season," the Portuguese tactician said.

Oscar agrees with his coach, and the midfielder revealed he was aiming to score more goals next term in the hope of helping Chelsea clinch more silverware.

"I think the same [as Mourinho]," the Brazil international said.

"I want to play better and I want to score more goals and to play my best football, because I know my quality and I know for sure I can make this season better than last season, and last season was a good season because we were champions and won two competitions.

"I want to be champion in more competitions this season."

Pogba played at the same world cup for France (winning the WC young player of the year), and has won 3 Serie A titles.

 

I don't really understand this "Oscar has more experience" or has "accomplished more" nonsense.

 

 

True, but it felt like you were writing Oscar off as having none.  Sorry if I misinterpreted. 

I think with Oscar's rest this summer, he won't have that fade towards the end of the campaign.  For the WC last year in Germany's demolition of Brazil, Oscar was the only one doing anything positive for that team.

True, but it felt like you were writing Oscar off as having none.  Sorry if I misinterpreted.

No worries mate, here's hoping a full pre-season rewards us with a fresh, durable Oscar.

I thought joss stone was a singer? Not sure if is good enough in the tackle to replace jt. Very vocal though!

I thought joss stone was a singer? Not sure if is good enough in the tackle to replace jt. Very vocal though!

Wrong thread?

Wrong thread?

Fail!

looked great off the bench. something different about him when he was on the ball - looked refreshed and was skinning players left and right.

 

really excited to see him play this season, has no excuse now since he had a nice break

looked great off the bench. something different about him when he was on the ball - looked refreshed and was skinning players left and right.

 

really excited to see him play this season, has no excuse now since he had a nice break

 

 

Yap, this. He's never going to be Hazard in terms of going round players for fun and burning away from them but when on form he's great at making room for him self. I was a bit supprised not to see him start. It's no secrete I'm not the biggest fan of ramires. I'm also one of those that likes to see fabregas play a little deaper as when he plays the 10 role by the time we get him in the game the defense is packed out.

Seemed to easily cut inside off the left every time he got the ball, and is clearly the best free kick taker in the squad.

 

Awful shot though when he did get into a decent position.

Strange goal celebration, didn't seem bothered

Strange goal celebration, didn't seem bothered

Yeah I noticed that, I wonder what that was all about?

He was top notch before coming off yesterday, it was a poor decision by Jose to take him off IMO

Strange goal celebration, didn't seem bothered

Because it was more of a fluke that everyone missed, he dosent have the most exuberant celebration anyway.

Yeah played well. Let's hope he keeps it up

Yeah I noticed that, I wonder what that was all about?

He was top notch before coming off yesterday, it was a poor decision by Jose to take him off IMO

 

I agree he shouldn't have come off but who else would you have taken off? Would never take Hazard off, Fabregas has that moment of magic in his locker. Possibly Willian but he is better at playing wider than Oscar is. Shame he went off though as he was looking sharp and beating people quite easily.