We need to play Ramires at no.10 because pressing from the front and tackling are more important than having any sort of creative ability.

We need to play Ramires at no.10 because pressing from the front and tackling are more important than having any sort of creative ability.

 

Can't agree with you at all. It depends on the level of the game, without creativity in our attack we won't be dangerous, no.10 is another attacking player that helps the attack by creating chances, shootings and with that he also should track back and try to win balls from the opponent's midfielders. 

 

If we will play a player on no.10 role that always will be looking to tackle, will play more defensively then it's simple 4-3-3 without no.10

He is still only 24 people have to remember and when he is hot he is pretty god damn good so I wouldn't right him off just yet.

Age might be on his side by he's had so long to become this great player and he just hasn't done it. It's the same story with him every season, I would sell personally for a good price.

I read that one of Dunga's friend stated that Oscar was never fully fit since he got that injury last season.

 

He didn't start or play yesterday in the wc qualifiers as well.

Can't agree with you at all. It depends on the level of the game, without creativity in our attack we won't be dangerous, no.10 is another attacking player that helps the attack by creating chances, shootings and with that he also should track back and try to win balls from the opponent's midfielders. 

 

If we will play a player on no.10 role that always will be looking to tackle, will play more defensively then it's simple 4-3-3 without no.10

 

Really? He was clearly being sarcastic.

I was having a go at everyone who moans about how we should have kept all these players we've sold.

I really am struggling to see your logic here. Are you saying you cant complain about selling young talented players tjat never got a shot at first team football if you want the team to cash in on perennial underachievers that havent improved in 3 years despite playing 30+ games a year?

Really like oscar,dont want him to leave but if im being honest, mata,de bruyne > oscar

I really am struggling to see your logic here. Are you saying you cant complain about selling young talented players tjat never got a shot at first team football if you want the team to cash in on perennial underachievers that havent improved in 3 years despite playing 30+ games a year?

There have been an awful lot of posts about how we should have kept said players as if its so easy to just keep them

Can't agree with you at all. It depends on the level of the game, without creativity in our attack we won't be dangerous, no.10 is another attacking player that helps the attack by creating chances, shootings and with that he also should track back and try to win balls from the opponent's midfielders. 

 

If we will play a player on no.10 role that always will be looking to tackle, will play more defensively then it's simple 4-3-3 without no.10

 

He's being sarcastic buddy

 

You can tell by the fact that he mentions Ramires, who shouldn't play in any position for any club higher than League One.

 

As far as Oscar is concerned, I never quite rated him as highly as others but gave him the benefit of the doubt. He does play for Brazil after all, and every Chelsea manager insisted he is a big talent.

 

But I am getting to the point where I do not want him to occupy such a central role at Chelsea anymore. He lacks the talent, and talent is what an attacking player needs the most. I would say that the further up the pitch you play the more it's about your natural ability rather than anything else - and natural ability is something Oscar does not have. Mourinho made a wrong call - Mata was a considerably better number 10 than Oscar. He assisted and scored more in three months than Oscar in a whole season. That's what you do from this position. It's not about interceptions, it's about creating goals.

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He's being sarcastic buddy

You can tell by the fact that he mentions Ramires, who shouldn't play in any position for any club higher than League One.

As far as Oscar is concerned, I never quite rated him as highly as others but gave him the benefit of the doubt. He does play for Brazil after all, and every Chelsea manager insisted he is a big talent.

But I am getting to the point where I do not want him to occupy such a central role at Chelsea anymore. He lacks the talent, and talent is what an attacking player needs the most. I would say that the further up the pitch you play the more it's about your natural ability rather than anything else - and natural ability is something Oscar does not have. Mourinho made a wrong call - Mata was a considerably better number 10 than Oscar. He assisted and scored more in three months than Oscar in a whole season. That's what you do from this position. It's not about interceptions, it's about creating goals.

Ramires only good enough for League 1? Oscar has no natural ability? No talent?

You been smoking funny cigarettes?

Selling Oscar would basically be confirming that letting Mata go was a mistake. This is not a bitter pill I wish to swallow, as stupid as a reason it may seem to keep a player, so I look at the positives. 

 

Like someone else said, Oscar is still quite young. I've always liked Oscar on the wings personally because I don't think he creates enough on a consistent basis to be a number 10. Having said that he usually makes up for that with his clever movement around the pitch, especially in and around the box. Going into this season I really wanted him to improve his composure in front of goal, unlike others I find his passing and retention of the ball to be acceptable but his finishing is pretty poor. He gets into so many good positions but fluffs it, if he could improve his composure in front of goal he would be easily hitting double figures like Lampard each season. 

 

I think once he improves that aspect of his game, as well as his consistency, he will really kick on as a player. Time is running out though, there's no question about that. 

Selling Oscar would basically be confirming that letting Mata go was a mistake. This is not a bitter pill I wish to swallow, as stupid as a reason it may seem to keep a player, so I look at the positives.

Like someone else said, Oscar is still quite young. I've always liked Oscar on the wings personally because I don't think he creates enough on a consistent basis to be a number 10. Having said that he usually makes up for that with his clever movement around the pitch, especially in and around the box. Going into this season I really wanted him to improve his composure in front of goal, unlike others I find his passing and retention of the ball to be acceptable but his finishing is pretty poor. He gets into so many good positions but fluffs it, if he could improve his composure in front of goal he would be easily hitting double figures like Lampard each season.

I think once he improves that aspect of his game, as well as his consistency, he will really kick on as a player. Time is running out though, there's no question about that.

I like Oscar on the wing as well. He actually has a good delivery from the right, and he is pretty good at getting half a yard.

I think he is a good player to have in the squad, but I don't think he is good enough to build a team around.

I'd like to see hazard play in the number 10 role and master it, because I think long term that will be his best position.

It's pretty hard to have a strong opinion on players at the moment though because of just how poorly we have played.

I like Oscar on the wing as well. He actually has a good delivery from the right, and he is pretty good at getting half a yard.

I think he is a good player to have in the squad, but I don't think he is good enough to build a team around.

I'd like to see hazard play in the number 10 role and master it, because I think long term that will be his best position.

It's pretty hard to have a strong opinion on players at the moment though because of just how poorly we have played.

He used to play on the right for Brazil and was often their best player, not so much now though with him not playing much and with Willian and Hulk improving. I like him on the left rather than on the right, and if Hazard is to play in the middle I believe that's where he would need to stay, I think his deliveries from the left are much more accurate for some reason but with the way we are set up we don't really get to see that anymore. 

 

Yeah, going into this season I was expected a lot from him but with the way everyone has performed so far it would be quite unrealistic to have that same expectation.

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Missed a trick with not converting him to a deeper playmaking role.

He could have played the Fabregas role for us but been better defensively and Mata could have continued playing behind the striker.

Missed a trick with not converting him to a deeper playmaking role.

He could have played the Fabregas role for us but been better defensively and Mata could have continued playing behind the striker.

 

Couldn't agree more. I have been saying since he first joined us that he looked like center midfielder more than an attacking center midfielder.

 

I know it's easy to look back on what we could have had now that we are in such a poor position, but if we had Mata behind the striker, De Bruyne and Hazard on the wings, and Oscar and Matic playing CM, we possibly would have had the best midfield in the world.

 

I don't like to go on about the players that have left, but it's hard not too when you look at what we could have had.

Nah I don't think Oscar and Matic would be even close to being the best in the world regardless of how Oscar pushed on.

He's not exactly a great passer of the ball, a hard worker but he's not shown me anything to suggest he'd be a top class central midfielder. I'd wager he hasn't shown it in training either otherwise he's have been given a run in that position.

Oscar has not progressed since he arrived, every single season the same things get said and the following season will be the one where he steps up....it's obvious to me that he just isn't going to turn into what we hoped he would.

If Juve or anyone else offer upwards of £25 million we should bite their hands off.

I might contradict myself here because I said his passing was fine but that was in the context of an attacking midfielder, not a deep playmaking role. He's very good at passing the ball in tight spaces, quick one twos, etc but his range of passing isn't good enough for a deep playmaking role. It would also rob him of his best attribute, in my opinion, which is his movement and he would end up being just another average midfielder. 

Nah I don't think Oscar and Matic would be even close to being the best in the world regardless of how Oscar pushed on.

He's not exactly a great passer of the ball, a hard worker but he's not shown me anything to suggest he'd be a top class central midfielder. I'd wager he hasn't shown it in training either otherwise he's have been given a run in that position.

Oscar has not progressed since he arrived, every single season the same things get said and the following season will be the one where he steps up....it's obvious to me that he just isn't going to turn into what we hoped he would.

If Juve or anyone else offer upwards of £25 million we should bite their hands off.

 

Hard to disagree. 

 

We missed him for a spell and when he returned he looked good for a couple of games and I think I had him down as MOTM for the Arsenal game. But he seems unable to put a really consistent run of games together. He's good for one or two and then almost invisible the next and tends to get subbed off more often than not. Still very good on his day but for whatever reason he just hasn't kicked on and I too would not turn down £25m if it was offered.

Yet another lame showing...sell, sell, sell

Another lame display.

 

Not sure we didn't make a mistake in not agreeing to include Oscar as part of any proposed Pogba deal last summer.

 

He’s contributed nothing of note this season. If anything he's gone backwards as a player.

forget that he is on the pitch most games

Hasnt gone backwards, hes just not gone forwards. He shouldnt be a starter for a team like Chelsea, if his name was Joe English and he came from the academy he wouldnt even be in the squad for match days.

if his name was Joe English

 

His name is Oscar, how much more English can you get??

His name is Oscar, how much more English can you get??

Touché

He needs to stay up in the danger area to be any use on the ball. His shooting and goalscoring ability is not being utilised. I really couldn't care if he left, but he is invisible and ineffective most games when playing in midfield.