A lot will depend on Hazard's reaction - it will either motivate him or he will finish up elsewhere. I hope it's the former.

Exactly

But you could say the same for Fabregas, and more. But unlike Eden, he has yet to feel the bench, or Mourinho's public wrath.

If Jose could explain why Fabregas has not been dropped, maybe I would understand better.

Think of this, if you were a defender playing Chelsea, who would you rather face, an out of form Hazard or Fabregas ?

You may be surprised to know that Fabregas has covered more distance on the pitch than any other Chelsea player, in fact i believe he is in the top five for the whole league.

Yes, like nearly every other Chelsea player, he hasn't had the best of starts to the season but he is working hard on the pitch which is the least we can ask of everyone who pulls on a Chelsea shirt.

Because his workrate and defensive contribution isn't matching his excellent season last year.

Jose could probably forgive that if he was scoring goals or creating chances but he isn't and so Hazard is as much to blame for our poor start to season as anyone else.

End of the day he is comfortably the best paid player at Chelsea and I don't think his performances have been acceptable considering that so fair play on Jose for calling him out on it.

Eden needs to step up his performances and fast.

 

Remind me again on who's actually constantly creating chances and scoring goals this season ? How many chances/goals created from open play? almost zilc so maybe the system/tactic that is the problem..

 

And it got nothing about fair play at all when ivan and cesc got away with worse performance..  

Remind me again on who's actually constantly creating chances and scoring goals this season ? How many chances/goals created from open play? almost zilc so maybe the system/tactic that is the problem..

And it got nothing about fair play at all when ivan and cesc got away with worse performance..

Difference is Jose has trusted options in attacking midfield to change things.

We might not agree with those reasons but he's justified why he kept picking Ivanovic in that he feels Baba isn't ready and he feels he needs height at set pieces.

Agree we've not created enough in open play so surely changes are justified no?

Hazard our "star" player hasn't delivered so Jose went for work rate and pragmatism instead and it worked at both ends of the pitch yesterday.

We nullified Villa in attack and stop crosses coming into the area with worrying regularity but also scored two goals from open play, I think for the first time in the league this season?

So maybe Jose got it right yesterday?

Not all players respond to the same thing, some need bollocked some need cuddled. Its up to the manager to treat them how he sees best.

 

The cuddles aren't working.

You may be surprised to know that Fabregas has covered more distance on the pitch than any other Chelsea player, in fact i believe he is in the top five for the whole league.

Yes, like nearly every other Chelsea player, he hasn't had the best of starts to the season but he is working hard on the pitch which is the least we can ask of everyone who pulls on a Chelsea shirt.

 

I was happy for his assist yesterday, but other than that he hasn't show anything special. To be honest I couldn't feel him, not defensively and not attacking. 

 

About your first statement, can you show me his statistics about the covering distance? 

 

I also can't really feel his hardworking, remember the two goals we received against Newcastle and Southampton, Fabregas was so lazy in those situation that didn't even run towards the ball. Jose plays him every game to get in form as possible as he can, I understand him because Fabregas is important key, but it doesn't work.

I'm going to hold back on this debate for now, because I want to be wrong, I really do, but i can't help think if we replace Fabregas in midfield we will look a lot stronger.

I was happy for his assist yesterday, but other than that he hasn't show anything special. To be honest I couldn't feel him, not defensively and not attacking.

About your first statement, can you show me his statistics about the covering distance?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/oct/14/premier-league-statistics-chelsea-fabregas-klopp-liverpool

This was before yesterday's games, he's 9th overall.

Jose seems intent on getting rid of any players that have great attacking flair or at least limiting how much they show. De Bruyne and Mata were gone because they didn't play like Stoke players and now he's having a go at Hazard for not being a glorified wing-back, not to mention that he wants Fabregas to be a holding midfielder. I love Jose but I'm sick of this.

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No don't misquote sir. City beat bournemouth 5-1 without Aguero/Silva. Barca beat Rayo 5-2 without messi. No disrespect to the lesser teams, its football, in the league goal differences matter, every football fan want to see his/her team play well, score goals.

To think because we are Cheslea that we should hammer teams like Villa every time we play them is just ridiculous. Football doesn't work like that and it's as simple as that.

To think because we are Cheslea that we should hammer teams like Villa every time we play them is just ridiculous. Football doesn't work like that and it's as simple as that.

1) "To think because we are Cheslea that we should hammer teams like Villa every time ". Jose's record against villa is mediocre. Villa suffered their heaviest defeat against us during ancelotti's league triumph.

2) Since 2004/05, his first and our first Premier

League winning season he oversaw us score

72; 2005/06, 72; 2006/07, 64; 2013/14, 71; and

2014/15, 73; or an average of 70.4 goals a

season as earlier stated or 1.85 goals a game so I didn't really expect smashing but villa are also in a poor form. We were at home, needed to win and score goals (maybe try and cancel out a negative goal difference) so I wasn't expecting our best attacker to be benched cos he couldn't defend.

We are also a team in poor form that needs to find some confidence and get back to winning ways, I personally think that 2-0 was a great result and hopefully the start of us rediscovering our best. Maybe if we are top or close to top of the table we can expect to be playing better more high scoring football but for now I'd take 2-0 every day of the week also you mentioned Barcelona winning 5-2 and city winning 5-1 neither of which kept a clean sheet and for us that clean sheet is priceless atm as our defense has been poor.

We are also a team in poor form that needs to find some confidence and get back to winning ways, I personally think that 2-0 was a great result and hopefully the start of us rediscovering our best. Maybe if we are top or close to top of the table we can expect to be playing better more high scoring football but for now I'd take 2-0 every day of the week also you mentioned Barcelona winning 5-2 and city winning 5-1 neither of which kept a clean sheet and for us that clean sheet is priceless atm as our defense has been poor.

You're right sir. I'm not criticizing the result or the clean sheet. I'm against dropping our best attacker cos he couldn't 'defend'. City lost 2-1, 4-1 back 2 back in the league no one raised an eyebrow. Why? Because everyone expected them to bounce back well and they did, they won their next two matches 6-1, 5-1 and still top of the league with a healthy goal difference. Just saying sometimes it shouldn't all be about defending...

Train harder at defending? How good is cesc defensively again?

 

I'm not sure if you're purposely missing the point I was making but here it is again, Hazard unlike Mata who Jose let go (for a good profit) can play the way the manager is asking him to play, he done it last year and had more end product than he has had so far this season so for me Jose is right to ask more of him.

 

Your question about Fabregas (again?) has me stumped as I've said many times, Fabregas wouldn't be in the team if it were my decision as he has no defensive qualities to speak of and he certainly wouldn't be playing a no 10 type role ahead of Oscar, that really isn't the issue as Jose knows Hazard can contribute a lot more than he is defensively and still create and score...Fabregas for me is a bit of a luxury that is more of a liability if any of our other midfielders shirk their defensive duties.

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I'm not sure if you're purposely missing the point I was making but here it is again, Hazard unlike Mata who Jose let go (for a good profit) can play the way the manager is asking him to play, he done it last year and had more end product than he has had so far this season so for me Jose is right to ask more of him.

Your question about Fabregas (again?) has me stumped as I've said many times, Fabregas wouldn't be in the team if it were my decision as he has no defensive qualities to speak of and he certainly wouldn't be playing a no 10 type role ahead of Oscar, that really isn't the issue as Jose knows Hazard can contribute a lot more than he is defensively and still create and score...Fabregas for me is a bit of a luxury that is more of a liability if any of our other midfielders shirk their defensive duties.

I didn't purposely miss your point or ignore it. I believe we both have different understanding of Jose words. For me I stated if Jose had said hazard was benched because he wasn't offering much offensively or out of shape. I would be nodding my head in agreement foolishly at the TV. Sorry I would disagree with you about hazard's defensive workrate last season, I didn't think he did much of the defensive end he was much better offensively. Also correct me if I'm wrong but the top attackers in football atm (messi, ronaldo, bale,neymar,silva,robben etc) don't have willian workrate. Do they? Its all about adapting them to the system and balancing it out which he did it cesar on the left last season. Maybe he didn't want baba exposed too much was why he benched hazard (I guess?).

Well should increase the hazard to Real Madrid rumour mill a bit.

1) "To think because we are Cheslea that we should hammer teams like Villa every time ". Jose's record against villa is mediocre. Villa suffered their heaviest defeat against us during ancelotti's league triumph.

2) Since 2004/05, his first and our first Premier

League winning season he oversaw us score

72; 2005/06, 72; 2006/07, 64; 2013/14, 71; and

2014/15, 73; or an average of 70.4 goals a

season as earlier stated or 1.85 goals a game so I didn't really expect smashing but villa are also in a poor form. We were at home, needed to win and score goals (maybe try and cancel out a negative goal difference) so I wasn't expecting our best attacker to be benched cos he couldn't defend.

You gave totally missed my point, the point I am making is PEOPLE should just think it's as simple as if the team wants to they can beat so called weaker opponents. Past fixtures gave nothing to do with it, I'm talking fan expectations.

As for Hazard he's been playing poor, the team hasn't been winning so he was rightly dropped.

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You gave totally missed my point, the point I am making is PEOPLE should just think it's as simple as if the team wants to they can beat so called weaker opponents. Past fixtures gave nothing to do with it, I'm talking fan expectations.

As for Hazard he's been playing poor, the team hasn't been winning so he was rightly dropped.

I didn't miss your points. I gave those stats to tell you a simple fact. Under jose I don't expect us to smash team so you saying I expect us to be smashing villa is wrong. As for fan expectations, any football fan who doesn't want is team to play excitingly and score goals is maybe watching the wrong sport? Not saying it would always happen but its what a fan would desire for his club. As for hazard, I state again, I'm not against dropping him because he has offered little to nothing offensively but saying you are dropping because of his defensive contributions?. No, that's wrong

Eden is a player who lives or dies with the success of his dribbling. Jose could base the attack on Eden going past 3-4 players. Now as he is not going past those players you have to change the attack.

I think Eden enjoys football and it needs to be fun all the time. The team is surrounded with negativity atm and it shows in Eden.

STEP UP EDEN!

 

When you're on form, you're the best in the Premier League. Need to start showing that form again.

Based on all the interviews he's given recently, where he basically admits he doesn't have the drive to be a top player, it's hard to see if he's really that bothered, or if he's content to stroll through the season until things pick up again. 

Replace Fabregas with Hazard and have him play infront of Matic and RLC/Ramires. Then Willian and Pedro are free to run up and down both sides all through the match.

Wonder if these links have anything to do with Hazard's situation: http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/10034051/chelsea-manager-jose-mourinho-scouts-sevillas-yevhen-konoplyanka

I didn't purposely miss your point or ignore it. I believe we both have different understanding of Jose words. For me I stated if Jose had said hazard was benched because he wasn't offering much offensively or out of shape. I would be nodding my head in agreement foolishly at the TV. Sorry I would disagree with you about hazard's defensive workrate last season, I didn't think he did much of the defensive end he was much better offensively. Also correct me if I'm wrong but the top attackers in football atm (messi, ronaldo, bale,neymar,silva,robben etc) don't have willian workrate. Do they? Its all about adapting them to the system and balancing it out which he did it cesar on the left last season. Maybe he didn't want baba exposed too much was why he benched hazard (I guess?).

 

Jose may have stipulated defensive workrate but I'm sure if he was at his best going forward this situation wouldn't be happening, I think he was better defensively and obviously offensively kast season, he's never going to have Willians engine or workrate but he can still do better than he has been, that said I believe we can only have one luxury player in the starting eleven and Fabregas is for some reason the one who is getting off lightly, if we had a Messi, Neymar, or whoever else you mention then it's my belief that Jose would either want them to work the way he wants Eden to or he would have to leave Fabregas out of the team.

Says he wants to just enjoy his football but plays it very safe when he plays, find it odd.