Another Chalobah situation.

Donc blâme him.

 

He'd be the best young player we lost In this way though, no doubt.

the problem is, even if we put a buy back clause on him who would say he would return. 

Reports saying that he has told the club that he won’t extend his club no matter what and wants to leave in January. 

 

Bit big for his boots eh. Another Belgian player with an over inflated ego. 

Or another one like De Bruyne who will come back to haunt us in a few years, because we didn't give him enough of a chance?

4 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Reports saying that he has told the club that he won’t extend his club no matter what and wants to leave in January. 

 

Bit big for his boots eh. Another Belgian player with an over inflated ego. 

Belgium with over flated ego or Belgium that knows he deserves a shot a won't get it here. He'll go and flourish and be at a top team in a few years like De Bruyne and we'll be moaning on this forum like we do now about KdB.

5 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Reports saying that he has told the club that he won’t extend his club no matter what and wants to leave in January. 

 

Bit big for his boots eh. Another Belgian player with an over inflated ego. 

Can you show us your reports, JM7?

That's quite interesting!

 

Nationality on football ambition must be a beautiful science.

Really? Are just only Belgian players ambitious? My God! What is happening with Europe?

This is confusing as we appear to have two threads with the same title - Mods can you merge them?

 

Re Musonda, and for that matter all of our young talent, it is tricky as you cannot be held to ransom by kids who yes, may show a lot of potential but you have no idea whether they will be any good in a few years time. Think the club did the right thing with Solanke and if that now also happens with Musonda, so be it. Would love him to stay, be patient and get more game time but he has to be realistic. We have loads of staff at the club who will be monitoring these youngsters and have to make the call as to whether they think they will make the grade. If we had the next Messi on our hands, I've no doubt the club would not be letting him go anywhere but we have other youngsters on our books who already look like they are going to be better than Musonda.

 

 

Comparing Musonda to De Bruyne is like comparing Brendan Rodgers to Conte. 

3 hours ago, Van Butsen said:

Perfectly reasonable for him to want to be playing, he is good enough.  Hopefully see him back in the future.

No!

No, Van Butsen!

Please let him stay! Give him a few games!

1 minute ago, Argo said:

Comparing Musonda to De Bruyne is like comparing Brendan Rodgers to Conte. 

Hardly. At the same age we'd just signed De Bruyne and shipped him straight out on loan. Charly is in the squad. If anything, Charly is further advanced in his career at the same age. 

8 minutes ago, Nibs said:

This is confusing as we appear to have two threads with the same title - Mods can you merge them?

 

Re Musonda, and for that matter all of our young talent, it is tricky as you cannot be held to ransom by kids who yes, may show a lot of potential but you have no idea whether they will be any good in a few years time. Think the club did the right thing with Solanke and if that now also happens with Musonda, so be it. Would love him to stay, be patient and get more game time but he has to be realistic. We have loads of staff at the club who will be monitoring these youngsters and have to make the call as to whether they think they will make the grade. If we had the next Messi on our hands, I've no doubt the club would not be letting him go anywhere but we have other youngsters on our books who already look like they are going to be better than Musonda.

 

 

How many youngsters are better, Nibs?

And when do you expect them in the fist?

On which positions?

Do they have patience?

7 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Hardly. At the same age we'd just signed De Bruyne and shipped him straight out on loan. Charly is in the squad. If anything, Charly is further advanced in his career at the same age. 

And he wants a place in the national team.

46 minutes ago, Krc-fan said:

How many youngsters are better, Nibs?

And when do you expect them in the fist?

On which positions?

Do they have patience?

That's all very subjective KRC, but here is a list of players who in my opinion, have a better chance of making it at CFC:

Tammy Abraham

RLC

Ampadu

Mason Mount

Hudson-Odoi

George McEachran (couldn't resist that one)

 

Now I know there are various positions here and some of these lads are only 17/18 but what I'm getting at is that we know only a small number will make it through from the Academy and it's all about blending them with existing squad + purchases. So Charly is playing a risky game and runs the danger of being the new Theo Walcott.

 

 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Hardly. At the same age we'd just signed De Bruyne and shipped him straight out on loan. Charly is in the squad. If anything, Charly is further advanced in his career at the same age. 

I mean at the time they choose to Ieave. De Bruyne impressed on loan and in his early appearances for us, the opposite is true of Musonda. 

1 hour ago, Zeta said:

Or another one like De Bruyne who will come back to haunt us in a few years, because we didn't give him enough of a chance?

as much as he is a talent, i do think we have an equally talented couple of english youngsters in the youth team (who play in similar positions) in hudson-odoi and dujon sterling, and physically are much better suited to the premier league. i really like musonda though and think he can go on to a be a solid talent, i just hope the club and charly can come to some kind of mutual agreement/arrangement on his future. 

29 minutes ago, Argo said:

I mean at the time they choose to Ieave. De Bruyne impressed on loan and in his early appearances for us, the opposite is true of Musonda. 

How can Charly impress if no one will put him on the pitch for a run of games? He impressed against Forest then wasn't seen for over a month. Many people are saying that he shouldn't be asking to leave because he hasn't shown any glimpse at Chelsea. I just find that strange when he isn't given the platform to do so. (Rant not aimed at you btw)

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Hardly. At the same age we'd just signed De Bruyne and shipped him straight out on loan. Charly is in the squad. If anything, Charly is further advanced in his career at the same age. 

De Bruyne was tearing up the Belgian league before we signed him? Musonda has done sweet FA, runs around a lot without doing much. Won't miss him personally if he leaves it perhaps creates an opportunity for Hudson-Odoi.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

How can Charly impress if no one will put him on the pitch for a run of games? He impressed against Forest then wasn't seen for over a month. Many people are saying that he shouldn't be asking to leave because he hasn't shown any glimpse at Chelsea. I just find that strange when he isn't given the platform to do so. (Rant not aimed at you btw)

Well i don't believe he impressed that highly against Forest but that argument is for another day. Between his games at Betis and his two apps here he for me doesn't make enough influence in games or moves to benefit the team, when i see the likes of Abraham, Christensen and heck even Ampadu the difference is night and day.

His talent can't be denied, but if it was all about talent i would have had an outside shot at a pro career (my addiction to Saturday nights out saw to that).

12 hours ago, Argo said:

Well i don't believe he impressed that highly against Forest but that argument is for another day. Between his games at Betis and his two apps here he for me doesn't make enough influence in games or moves to benefit the team, when i see the likes of Abraham, Christensen and heck even Ampadu the difference is night and day.

His talent can't be denied, but if it was all about talent i would have had an outside shot at a pro career (my addiction to Saturday nights out saw to that).

Mate, I dont think Musonda has the problem that you are alluding to. IF anything, he looks like an ambitious young lad who whole heartedly believes in himself and his talent and wants to make it big.

If willian was a 20 year old, would you say he has shown enough to get starts or off the bench appearances? Imho, surely not. 

As for the everton game, I saw a player trying to do everything on his own. He knew the pressure was on him, and he knew he needed to produce some out of the world moment to get that notice. He failed. Not saying he did not, but the ball's in Conte's court. Does he want to trust a youngster with immense potential/talent or a 29 year old player who has (to put it very mildly) looked hopelessly out of sorts.

19 hours ago, Nibs said:

That's all very subjective KRC, but here is a list of players who in my opinion, have a better chance of making it at CFC:

Tammy Abraham

RLC

Ampadu

Mason Mount

Hudson-Odoi

George McEachran (couldn't resist that one)

 

Now I know there are various positions here and some of these lads are only 17/18 but what I'm getting at is that we know only a small number will make it through from the Academy and it's all about blending them with existing squad + purchases. So Charly is playing a risky game and runs the danger of being the new Theo Walcott.

 

 

I'll be shocked if Mason Mount gets anywhere near the team. He's already on loan to Vitesse, that signals the end of his Chelsea career. 

3 hours ago, Remodez said:

I'll be shocked if Mason Mount gets anywhere near the team. He's already on loan to Vitesse, that signals the end of his Chelsea career. 

Difference is, most have gone to Vitesse when they are a bit older - Mount is only 18.

He does look very decent but it is early days.

 

23 hours ago, Nibs said:

That's all very subjective KRC, but here is a list of players who in my opinion, have a better chance of making it at CFC:

Tammy Abraham

RLC

Ampadu

Mason Mount

Hudson-Odoi

George McEachran (couldn't resist that one)

 

Now I know there are various positions here and some of these lads are only 17/18 but what I'm getting at is that we know only a small number will make it through from the Academy and it's all about blending them with existing squad + purchases. So Charly is playing a risky game and runs the danger of being the new Theo Walcott.

 

 

That's what modern football is about, my friend!

All very subjective!

 

Thank you for list!

Gonna follow them!

4 hours ago, Remodez said:

I'll be shocked if Mason Mount gets anywhere near the team. He's already on loan to Vitesse, that signals the end of his Chelsea career. 

Can someone explain me why Vitesse?

I have seen them yesterday (again). What is the benefit?

1 hour ago, Nibs said:

Difference is, most have gone to Vitesse when they are a bit older - Mount is only 18.

He does look very decent but it is early days.

 

The same question!

Why Vitesse?

Is there a list who was succesfull after Vitesse?

8 hours ago, didierforever said:

Mate, I dont think Musonda has the problem that you are alluding to. IF anything, he looks like an ambitious young lad who whole heartedly believes in himself and his talent and wants to make it big.

If willian was a 20 year old, would you say he has shown enough to get starts or off the bench appearances? Imho, surely not. 

As for the everton game, I saw a player trying to do everything on his own. He knew the pressure was on him, and he knew he needed to produce some out of the world moment to get that notice. He failed. Not saying he did not, but the ball's in Conte's court. Does he want to trust a youngster with immense potential/talent or a 29 year old player who has (to put it very mildly) looked hopelessly out of sorts.

I watched both him and Willy vs Everton and while both were awful i felt the Brazilian had some sort of control tactically whereas Charly looked lost. The pressure was on him yes (partly his own doing due to his instagram post), but same could be said for Ampadu and he dealt with the game very well.