Rather we sent him to Vitesse than Celtic.

Has arrived in Glasgow this morning, 18 month loan deal set to go ahead. Bizarre move... Even if he pisses over everyone week in, week out... So what? Should have gone to a Championship side over a move to Celtic. 

Rodgers has a bad track record with Chelsea loanees too. McEachran and Moses moves were built upon empty promises. Don't understand this one at all. 

6 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Has arrived in Glasgow this morning, 18 month loan deal set to go ahead. Bizarre move... Even if he pisses over everyone week in, week out... So what? Should have gone to a Championship side over a move to Celtic. 

Rodgers has a bad track record with Chelsea loanees too. McEachran and Moses moves were built upon empty promises. Don't understand this one at all. 

Me thinks Champions League football will be part of the motivation

13 minutes ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

Me thinks Champions League football will be part of the motivation

Well do we know they have to go through 4 rounds to even get to the groups?

Would be moronic if we loaned him on the chance they get into the groups.

In any case it's a poor move, we need to test him at a much higher level than the hammer throwers of Inverness or the Mountain men of Ross County.

Standard of football in Scotland is horrific and I know since I watch it every other week in the stands.

We are just sending players out. I think he has a future with us though.

Nowhere near ready to start games for Chelsea. This was a must for him to move on loan somewhere. Confused that we let him go to Celtic where he'll play league 1 level teams. Maybe he'll get a chance in the Europa League. Huge 18 months for him. 

Truly bizarre. Scottish football is sh*te, complete waste of time for the boy. Surely someone in Germany etc would take a punt on him for 18 months ala Christensen? 

 

I reckon it could be the death of his career at Chelsea. I’d be amazed if he comes back a significantly better player. Christ, Scott Sinclair pisses this league that’s how bad it is.

What the hell is this about? What a stupid decision, why is he going to a play for the equivalent of a league 1 side? Absolutely ridiculous. 

8 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Truly bizarre. Scottish football is sh*te, complete waste of time for the boy. Surely someone in Germany etc would take a punt on him for 18 months ala Christensen? 

 

I reckon it could be the death of his career at Chelsea. I’d be amazed if he comes back a significantly better player. Christ, Scott Sinclair pisses this league that’s how bad it is.

it's a bit of a head scratcher for sure, mate.  The few reasons I can think of are:

He's still in the UK at least (not sure of family here etc)

BR does have some history with Chelsea Youth (although as others have pointed out this may be filled with empty promises by BR)

Confidence booster for the lad, and some experience in Europe.

I also think that loans can be recalled if the club don't think he's playing enough, so it's not like we're sending him there to sit on the bench for 18 months.

Seems mutually exclusive to me;

a) the club knows it has to give CHO a clear path to the first team
b) Charly needs minutes, the odd 10 minute cameo here and there isn't good for Charly or CHO

At Celtic he'll have a platform to showcase his talent, he needs a manager who will just let him go out and play (without overly focusing on per 90 performance, tactical instruction etc - which for sure he'd receive at a higher level).

Edited January 29, 20188 yr by the special one

It's one of the worst loans we've made since Yossi Benayoun to Arsenal, I really do not understand it. 

We've got a fantastic talent who judging by his performances could arguably contend with Pedro since Willian is out, and instead of loaning him out for development we send him in a league where he will not progress. I really do not understand it.. He would be more useful in reserves and training with the first team, at least he would be training with good players and a better training camp. 

1 hour ago, Slojo said:

It's one of the worst loans we've made since Yossi Benayoun to Arsenal, I really do not understand it. 

We've got a fantastic talent who judging by his performances could arguably contend with Pedro since Willian is out, and instead of loaning him out for development we send him in a league where he will not progress. I really do not understand it.. He would be more useful in reserves and training with the first team, at least he would be training with good players and a better training camp. 

Actually Celtic have 1 thing most of the clubs we could loan players too don't have, the relentless demand to win, this post sums it up.

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Celtic's a good fit. People argue that the SPL is weaker than the Championship, but Celtic are twice the team of any Championship one. Better coaches at the club, more demanding mentality, more consistently in cup finals, and they always have some level of European action. It could be argued that it's bad to have low-level opposition, but I think it's a good thing for Charly to get used to winning, and being proactive instead of reactive. Charly isn't even a player who needs to be playing against the top players of the world to develop: he just needs games full-stop: and the SPL should surely make a man out of him. Even Sinclair's become tough.

It's almost mad to think that within a space of just a few years, 2 players who entered their ripe stage with Celtic (Van Djik + Dembele) will gross around 100m+. 2 players, from Celtic's tutelage, 100m. 2018.

Finally, from Charly's POV, building a relationship with Celtic is only a good thing considering that their players eventually transfer to top clubs elsewhere these days. If we jerk him around, or don't want him (...), it'd be wise for him if he could return for a 2nd-stint with Celtic right away to continue building his reputation. 

 

29 minutes ago, Argo said:

Actually Celtic have 1 thing most of the clubs we could loan players too don't have, the relentless demand to win, this post sums it up.

 

Celtic are definitely not twice the team of any Championship club. 

10 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Celtic are definitely not twice the team of any Championship club. 

The above is just drivel and cringe nonsense akin to what Brendan and his team are.

Musonda is performing in a Mickey mouse league now against some of the poorest pro footballers in Britain. It's ridiculous 

We could have loaned him to a premier league club, but he was loaned to Celtic, due to relationship with Rodgers, typical nonsense. That's three loan deals we've sanctioned in the space of a few days, without anyone coming in, there's not much strength in depth, one less option out wide, couple that with the injuries we have, the board is leading us all down the garden path. 

Edited January 30, 20188 yr by Floyd25

Celtic seems like a good move tbh. he will get consistent game time and european football. if he stayed in the premier league or went to spain, there's more chance he may not get consistent game time due to clubs relegation battles, change of managers and trying not to lose so more defensive football. at least at celtic there will be less competition and more chance to show off his ability and express himself.

we've seen this with abraham at swansea for e.g. as soon as a player dips in form in the prem, they are pulled out and replaced because the club is desperate for points and can't risk it. it's why i didn't think bournemouth would be a good choice. i am hoping kenedy gets plenty games, in the premier league it can be tough. musonda had the same problem at real betis, change of manager and they put him on the bench in exchange for some other player. 

Edited January 30, 20188 yr by enigma

2 hours ago, Floyd25 said:

We could have loaned him to a premier league club, but he was loaned to Celtic, due to relationship with Rodgers, typical nonsense. That's three loan deals we've sanctioned in the space of a few days, without anyone coming in, there's not much strength in depth, one less option out wide, couple that with the injuries we have, the board is leading us all down the garden path. 

Really? Can you give me the sum of minutes played by Baba, kenedy and Musonda over the course of the half season we have played so far, specially as it includes the hectic christmas period. 

Considering the use of the above mentioned 3 players by Conte, I would say it was the perfect decision to loan them out. We are anyways getting Palmeiri for LB who would make baba and kenedy redundant.

Apparently he had over 24 clubs after him on loan and he choose Celtic.

15 hours ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

Me thinks Champions League football will be part of the motivation

I doubt it. Celtic rarely is ever get out of the group stage. Are we really sending him somewhere on the off chance he might get to play 6 matches against decent European opposition? 

8 hours ago, Argo said:

Actually Celtic have 1 thing most of the clubs we could loan players too don't have, the relentless demand to win, this post sums it up.

I can kind of see the argument for sending him to a club that expects success. It should help with his mental development... But surely playing against League 1 standard opposition isn't going to help develop the footballing side of his game that much? 

There is no perfect formula for a loan move but I can't help but look at someone like Andreas Christensen who went to a mid level club in Germany for two years and came on immensely. It didn't hurt him none playing for a side that wasn't about winning titles. 

Even players like KDB, Lukaku, Salah developed by playing at a competitive level of football. 

Admit to being quite surprised that he moved to Celtic on loan rather than say a European team. The standard of football is poor up here in Scotland.

Thing I don't understand is that there is actually space in the team for him to get playing time. Not as a starter week in week out but he can still get plenty of game time coming off the bench and then who knows, similar to Rashford at United.

If they felt he wasn't quite ready what does loaning him out to Celtic prove exactly? Even if he does well he's not going to be moved into the first team after playing in a league that's the equivalent of League 1. If players doing well at Viteese in a better quality league can't get into the team what hope does Musonda have? 

Edited January 30, 20188 yr by Remodez

I think the reasoning behind this is to build up his physical and mental assets. Scotland is a fairly physical league and he'll probably be guaranteed game time to build what's lacking in his game, abit of grit. 

Musonda already has the talent, it lack just the experience on the pitch. It's a perfect move for him, I don't think that he has the physical condition for earn his place in a PL team's. 

7 hours ago, didierforever said:

Really? Can you give me the sum of minutes played by Baba, kenedy and Musonda over the course of the half season we have played so far, specially as it includes the hectic christmas period. 

Considering the use of the above mentioned 3 players by Conte, I would say it was the perfect decision to loan them out. We are anyways getting Palmeiri for LB who would make baba and kenedy redundant.

Sure, they haven't played many minutes and I don't disagree with loaning them out, I only wish that we brought in sufficient replacements first. We have a game tomorrow, Palmeiri deal is not finalised, Willian is injured, loan of Musonda means less options out wide, unless we replace him. I can understand the moves, but I think it's counterproductive when we have fatigue and injuries in these areas and deals to replace them are being done last minute. 

14 hours ago, Chelsbear said:

The above is just drivel and cringe nonsense akin to what Brendan and his team are.

Musonda is performing in a Mickey mouse league now against some of the poorest pro footballers in Britain. It's ridiculous 

As did VVD, Forster and Waynama but they all turned out fine.