Honest  to god that Ty is just ridiculous, it's all good being positive and all but he does nothing but make excuses up.

 

He actually is captain hindsight, if that shot would have went in, it would have been a different game, well it didn't go in did it you bell end.

Willian and Oscar are important to Jose's style of play, in that they work very hard and they close down from the front a lot, meaning they often help us win the ball back quickly after losing it, before the opposition to can really do anything with it. Having said that, when that's not working, they do look poor, because neither of them comes up with the number of goals or assists you want from attacking players, although Oscar is much better at it than Willian is.

 

This Season (PL)

 

Hazard - 4 Assists, 8 Goals

Fabregas - 14 Assists, 2 Goals

Oscar - 6 Assists, 3 Goals - That's not that bad. Hopefully by the end of the season that would be about 10-12 assists and 6-8 goals, which is an okay return.

Willian - 1 Assist, 1 Goal - That's very poor. Halfway through the season and he's contributed 2 goals directly. So we can expect that to average out at about 2-3 assists and 2-3 goals by the end.

Costa - 1 Assist, 14 Goals

 

 

Last Season (PL)

 

Hazard - 7 Assists, 14 Goals

Oscar - 2 Assists, 8 Goals

Willian - 2 Assists, 4 Goals

 

 

So in comparison with last year, Hazard is about on course for the same numbers. Oscar has already improved his assists, most likely due to the inter-changing play with Hazard and Fabregas, and his goals will probably be about the same. Willian is just as bad as last year.

 

So in 1 1/2 seasons for £30m, Willian has made 3 assists and scored 5 goals in the league. 

 

Let's go back further though and look at the season before.

 

2012/2013 PL

 

Mata - 13 Assists, 12 Goals

Hazard - 11 Assists, 9 Goals

Torres - 8 Assists, 8 Goals

Oscar - 6 Assists, 4 Goals

Lampard - 1 Assist, 15 Goals

 

So we can see that nowadays Hazard is assisting less, but is scoring more. Which is fine. As long as the goals come.

Oscar has defintely improved since his first season.

Mata was setting the bar for goals and assists.

Torres whilst not scoring many was involved in 16 goals overall.

Lampard was doing his usual of scoring sh*t loads.

 

 

One more season back now, the CL winning season. We finished 6th in the league.

 

2011/2012 PL

 

Mata - 13 Assists, 6 Goals

Torres - 7 Assists, 6 Goals

Cole - 6 Assists

Lampard - 4 Assists, 11 Goals

 

 

So we can see that in 1 season Mata doubled his goals tally, whilst still producing a good number of assists. Torres was basically the same, not scoring many but at least he was assisting. Lampard the usual.

 

 

 

So let's compare and contrast all that.

 

This season Oscar is doing well.

Hazard is doing very well.

Costa is the Torres replacement from previous seasons. Scoring a lot more, though not assisting many. Still, his overall goal contribution should be much better come the end of the season than Torres'.

Fabregas is the Lampard replacement, assisting a lot more, scoring a lot less, so that's basically the same for the number of goals contributed, though he's still got half a season to go so could do a lot better.

 

So in this we have to use Willian as the Mata replacement, because that's basically what he is. Mata was sold. Willian was given the first choice spot. And the comparisons are bleak at best. Mata contributed so much to us going forward, and he's doing the same at Man utd, whilst Willian for all his running and closing down, simply doesn't contribute enough. Mata got 26 assists in 2 seasons in the PL. Willian is on course for about 5.

 

He does contribute in pressing and winning the ball, which can lead to goals and attacks, but as far as taking personal responsiblity for making or scoring a goal, he is very poor and nowhere near the numbers an attacking player should be getting for a team who wants to win multiple trophies.

Edited January 2, 201511 yr by Zeta Orionis

I don't know why I posted that here. Willian thread would have been better.

Honest  to god that Ty is just ridiculous, it's all good being positive and all but he does nothing but make excuses up.

 

He actually is captain hindsight, if that shot would have went in, it would have been a different game, well it didn't go in did it you bell end.

 

There are a few gooners that are starting to have enough of le voyeur. TBF, Saints are legit. I know Kojo you don't think so, but come on now The Saints have the best defense in the EPL. You can recognize that fact right?

Willian and Oscar are important to Jose's style of play, in that they work very hard and they close down from the front a lot, meaning they often help us win the ball back quickly after losing it, before the opposition to can really do anything with it. Having said that, when that's not working, they do look poor, because neither of them comes up with the number of goals or assists you want from attacking players, although Oscar is much better at it than Willian is.

 

This Season (PL)

 

Hazard - 4 Assists, 8 Goals

Fabregas - 14 Assists, 2 Goals

Oscar - 6 Assists, 3 Goals - That's not that bad. Hopefully by the end of the season that would be about 10-12 assists and 6-8 goals, which is an okay return.

Willian - 1 Assist, 1 Goal - That's very poor. Halfway through the season and he's contributed 2 goals directly. So we can expect that to average out at about 2-3 assists and 2-3 goals by the end.

Costa - 1 Assist, 14 Goals

 

 

Last Season (PL)

 

Hazard - 7 Assists, 14 Goals

Oscar - 2 Assists, 8 Goals

Willian - 2 Assists, 4 Goals

 

 

So in comparison with last year, Hazard is about on course for the same numbers. Oscar has already improved his assists, most likely due to the inter-changing play with Hazard and Fabregas, and his goals will probably be about the same. Willian is just as bad as last year.

 

So in 1 1/2 seasons for £30m, Willian has made 3 assists and scored 5 goals in the league. 

 

Let's go back further though and look at the season before.

 

2012/2013 PL

 

Mata - 13 Assists, 12 Goals

Hazard - 11 Assists, 9 Goals

Torres - 8 Assists, 8 Goals

Oscar - 6 Assists, 4 Goals

Lampard - 1 Assist, 15 Goals

 

So we can see that nowadays Hazard is assisting less, but is scoring more. Which is fine. As long as the goals come.

Oscar has defintely improved since his first season.

Mata was setting the bar for goals and assists.

Torres whilst not scoring many was involved in 16 goals overall.

Lampard was doing his usual of scoring sh*t loads.

 

 

One more season back now, the CL winning season. We finished 6th in the league.

 

2011/2012 PL

 

Mata - 13 Assists, 6 Goals

Torres - 7 Assists, 6 Goals

Cole - 6 Assists

Lampard - 4 Assists, 11 Goals

 

 

So we can see that in 1 season Mata doubled his goals tally, whilst still producing a good number of assists. Torres was basically the same, not scoring many but at least he was assisting. Lampard the usual.

 

 

 

So let's compare and contrast all that.

 

This season Oscar is doing well.

Hazard is doing very well.

Costa is the Torres replacement from previous seasons. Scoring a lot more, though not assisting many. Still, his overall goal contribution should be much better come the end of the season than Torres'.

Fabregas is the Lampard replacement, assisting a lot more, scoring a lot less, so that's basically the same for the number of goals contributed, though he's still got half a season to go so could do a lot better.

 

So in this we have to use Willian as the Mata replacement, because that's basically what he is. Mata was sold. Willian was given the first choice spot. And the comparisons are bleak at best. Mata contributed so much to us going forward, and he's doing the same at Man utd, whilst Willian for all his running and closing down, simply doesn't contribute enough. Mata got 26 assists in 2 seasons in the PL. Willian is on course for about 5.

 

He does contribute in pressing and winning the ball, which can lead to goals and attacks, but as far as taking personal responsiblity for making or scoring a goal, he is very poor and nowhere near the numbers an attacking player should be getting for a team who wants to win multiple trophies.

 

I'll take back what I said actually Zeta, that is pretty impressive, although call me a twat I still don't think he is producing enough. I thought he had less than that, either way though I think Oscar needs to have more influence on the game, I think he will do that if he gets more competition. Then again he played his first game in say what? 2-3 games? And let the side down, that was mostly due to his defensive side though which is strange, just wasn't Oscar today at all. The Oscar we seen at the majority of the season would have even fouled Kane if he couldn't get the ball off him.

There are a few gooners that are starting to have enough of le voyeur. TBF, Saints are legit. I know Kojo you don't think so, but come on now The Saints have the best defense in the EPL. You can recognize that fact right?

 

The saints are very organized however I felt they were there for the taking, we made it easy for them. That's not making excuses, Fabregas and Hazard were ripping them to shreds but our decision making was so poor, could have easily scored a couple that game had we stop messing around on the ball and played more direct.

The saints are very organized however I felt they were there for the taking, we made it easy for them. That's not making excuses, Fabregas and Hazard were ripping them to shreds but our decision making was so poor, could have easily scored a couple that game had we stop messing around on the ball and played more direct.

 

this is where I disagree w/ you - we should have had that pk on the Cesc challenge - also if DC had the right studs on he would connected on that 1on1 w/ the GK - I know a sounding like the Blue version of Ty. But I will give Southampton props cause they are doing the business.

It's a dark day for us, has to be said.

But I think we will come back stronger from this. I think the scoreline was harsh for Chelsea but when I'm thinking about it now, we just weren't good enough, didn't show up, and Spurs rightly so scored that amount.

Vertonghens dive was f**king shocking though, how that wasn't even mentioned is just ridiculous, it was pathetic, he is known for his play acting but nothing will be said about it of course.

Anyway wakeup call, call it an off day but we have evidently shown that we certainly aren't invcincible by any stretch of the imagination. I believe our depth hurt us today, no replacements for Cahill besides a young Kurt Zouma (who tbf probably could have done better) No real player to show up besides Hazard either. Salah doesn't seem cut out for it, but cut him some slack, I think it is the likes of Willian and Oscar who don't produce enough. Oscar in attack was decent today yes but if you look at his performance you'll notice how much of a sloppy player he can be, for example couldn't even play a normal pass to Hazard on the edge of the box, what sort of attacking player can't pull that out? Especially a very highly rated one.

We aren't as good as some people think when it comes to the attack. Our goals are highly relied on Hazard, Fabregas and the striker of course. With Matic making his contributions too.

Perhaps we do need an upgrade in attack, or perhaps this is just one game? But coming to think of it is this just one game? Or has this been the story of the season just that we have managed to pull out a lot of wins.

I've been saying for a while we aren't prolific enough we miss far too many chances. We really need someone down that right hand side.

Slawth, The year we beat that lot 6-1 they had an 8 point lead with 6 games to go, They also got hammered 5-1 by Newcastle in one of their title wins, I also remember Bayern a few years back getting tonked by someone and winning the title, Like I said before suffering this type of defeat can have negatives but also a lot of positives assuming you have a tough minded manager and strong character squad and in general this Chelsea side is a very mentally strong bunch.

Well Stevie G is leaving Liverpool at the end of the season. And said he'll always be loyal to Liverpool and won't join a team which could make them lineup against them. Let's see if he stand by his words or do a Frank Lampard(He also said somewhat same words in May 2013).

Well Stevie G is leaving Liverpool at the end of the season. And said he'll always be loyal to Liverpool and won't join a team which could make them lineup against them. Let's see if he stand by his words or do a Frank Lampard(He also said somewhat same words in May 2013).

 

 

The thing is, if any other player did what Lampard did to us, we would all be taking the mick and trolling them every week. Unfortunately, we are the ones on the recieving end. I would love Gerrard to do a Lampard but I don't think he will.

 

Everyone knows that what Lampard is doing is total feckery and two fingers up at Chelsea and the fans. Even City fans can't believe it themselves and are just enjoying the moment.

Everyone knows that what Lampard is doing is total feckery and two fingers up at Chelsea and the fans.

Speak for yourself.

But I do think Man City have made mugs of us and FFP.

Well Stevie G is leaving Liverpool at the end of the season. And said he'll always be loyal to Liverpool and won't join a team which could make them lineup against them. Let's see if he stand by his words or do a Frank Lampard(He also said somewhat same words in May 2013).

 

Gerrard's an interesting case. The key issue seems to be a wish to play for the first team more often than is perhaps good for a player of his age. Beneath that issue, the mental impact on a player of Gerrard's age of coming so close to winning the league, last season, must be immense. It's clear that Liverpool are in a re-building phase (or need to be) and he can't see any point in remaining at Anfield.

As you say, he's said he won't play against Liverpool so he must be heading overseas? MLS?

Gerrard's an interesting case. The key issue seems to be a wish to play for the first team more often than is perhaps good for a player of his age. Beneath that issue, the mental impact on a player of Gerrard's age of coming so close to winning the league, last season, must be immense. It's clear that Liverpool are in a re-building phase (or need to be) and he can't see any point in remaining at Anfield.

As you say, he's said he won't play against Liverpool so he must be heading overseas? MLS?

 

Very good point about him wanting to play prolonged minutes even at this point in his career, although I think it's largely due to Rodgers and Liverpool's current predicament with their squad make-up - in other words they just don't have enough quality to afford resting Gerrard for any long spells of time. I still maintain that, wet surfaces aside (!), he can be a very useful player if used sparingly and only starting sporadically for a title-challenging squad, like what Ferguson did with Giggs and Scholes in the twilight of their careers, though obviously that's not the case at the moment with Liverpool.

 

All that said it will be very interesting to see where he ends up.

 

So in this we have to use Willian as the Mata replacement, because that's basically what he is. Mata was sold. Willian was given the first choice spot. And the comparisons are bleak at best. Mata contributed so much to us going forward, and he's doing the same at Man utd, whilst Willian for all his running and closing down, simply doesn't contribute enough. Mata got 26 assists in 2 seasons in the PL. Willian is on course for about 5.

 

He does contribute in pressing and winning the ball, which can lead to goals and attacks, but as far as taking personal responsiblity for making or scoring a goal, he is very poor and nowhere near the numbers an attacking player should be getting for a team who wants to win multiple trophies.

Very interesting comparison. Everyone could see how Mata didn't fit in to what Jose wanted from his front three players, and that Willian's energy and workrate were huge pluses for Jose, but when you analyse what the team has lost since Mata's departure you can see a huge problem.

I've always thought there was a lot more to Willian's game than workrate, but the more you see him you wonder if there is. Mata brought goals and creativity that we have sacrificed for a more high-energy game that seems to be draining the players, especially when you don't rotate them successfully.

 

EDIT: Why is this in our rivals' thread??!!! Will re-post in the Willian  thread!

Edited January 2, 201511 yr by Backbiter

Stevie G will sign for LA and then be loaned to Man City.....

Stevie G will sign for LA and then be loaned to Man City.....

That'd be quite something considering Manchester City don't own LA Galaxy.

If Gerrard seems lamps pick up a PL winners medal this year he may think about the same sort of move as lamps did.

No secret he wants that medal. And if he can't get it with Liverpool their fans will likely be more aaccepting of it if he costs us or United a title.

Sky sports news showing clips of Gerrard and talking about his career, as you'd expect, but as well as showing his champions league win ect they're also showing fans burning his shirt and the famous slippy G moment. Pretty funny really.

Sky sports news showing clips of Gerrard and talking about his career, as you'd expect, but as well as showing his champions league win ect they're also showing fans burning his shirt and the famous slippy G moment. Pretty funny really.

 

Liverpool fans will still claim it never happened

Gerrard's off to the US and, at last, I realise that MLS means 'Major League Slipping'. He'll excel over there.

Someone i went to school with made a long rambling post about Gerrard on facebook, about all the great things he's done. So i pointed out he also slipped on his f**king arse and gave it to Demba Ba.

 

He unfriended me.

 

Someone i went to school with made a long rambling post about Gerrard on facebook, about all the great things he's done. So i pointed out he also slipped on his f**king arse and gave it to Demba Ba.

 

He unfriended me.

 

 

A good wind up, and one less annoying Liverpool fan on Facebook.

 

Win win.

Liverpool fans will still claim it never happened

 

It was Chelsea.