Never to be seen again...

The thing i don't get, is José is happy to throw zouma (not a midfielder) but refuses to give rlc a chance in the centre of the park; very frustrating.

The thing i don't get, is José is happy to throw zouma (not a midfielder) but refuses to give rlc a chance in the centre of the park; very frustrating.

 

RLC hasn't played 70 ligue une matches.

 

Jose likes young players who have plenty of first-team experience. Let the other managers deal with youthful inconsistency.

If someone watched Schalke against Real Madrid (4-3), then he could notice that all their players had age 18-22 (Only Huntelaar was 31), and that kid Sane(Only 19 years old) has changed the game for good. So, I believe Chelsea can get young players as well. RLC, Chalobah, Ake, Traore and Bamford can make it in the next season, it all depends on Jose.

If someone watched Schalke against Real Madrid (4-3), then he could notice that all their players had age 18-22 (Only Huntelaar was 31), and that kid Sane(Only 19 years old) has changed the game for good.

 

I was gutted to have missed that, it seems like the ever-legendary Robbie D is only capable of working at extremes in the Champions League. Hope to see Schalke back next season!

Not seen too much of this lad at all, I do hope Jose will give him a chance after all his words about him.

We need to start taking the odd chance on our own products other wise another potential JT just might slip through our fingers.

I'd have played him next to Matic a few times by now ... why not? He can't do any worse than Rambo, etc. at times ... U never know he may have a similar impact as Kouma had once given the chance ...

Great article about him on WAGNH:

 

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/features/2015/3/19/8256879/ruben-loftus-cheek-profile-chelsea-midfield

Great article about him on WAGNH:

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/features/2015/3/19/8256879/ruben-loftus-cheek-profile-chelsea-midfield

Just reading about him gets me excited.

Really hope this is the one.

We can have Pogba and RLC.

Ramires and Mikel leave.

Obviously, it's not football manager and it rarely works like that but it's feasible.

We can have Pogba and RLC.

Ramires and Mikel leave.

Obviously, it's not football manager and it rarely works like that but it's feasible.

 

Pogba and Loftus-Cheek are analogues for Ramires but not for Mikel, neither of them are defensive midfielders. Even if we were to sign Pogba there would still be no one in the squad who performs the same role as Mikel. If we were to sign someone like Schneiderlin or Kondogbia, although they aren't necessarily similar to him (or each other for that matter), would probably indicate quite clearly that we are looking to move Mikel on.

 

Unfortunately if we did sign Pogba I would imagine it would spell the end for Ramires, unless José intends on retaining him purely as a wide man, which I can't imagine in the light of us signing Cuadrado (and Willian).

Great article about him on WAGNH:

 

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/features/2015/3/19/8256879/ruben-loftus-cheek-profile-chelsea-midfield

 

Poor argument for not going after Pogba. RLC needs atleast 2 years till he will be Chelsea first team level. A club like us can not give up on competing for trophies for 2 seasons just to blood in a youngster and possibly put him under undue presuer in process.

Poor argument for not going after Pogba. RLC needs atleast 2 years till he will be Chelsea first team level. A club like us can not give up on competing for trophies for 2 seasons just to blood in a youngster and possibly put him under undue presuer in process.

It's having faith in the academy and not chucking money at everything.

We've invested heavily in the academy, at some point you need to look to use the tool you've built for yourself.

RLC can potentially offer a solution to a depth issue which can free up funds to strengthen in areas nire in need of it.

Poor argument for not going after Pogba. RLC needs atleast 2 years till he will be Chelsea first team level. A club like us can not give up on competing for trophies for 2 seasons just to blood in a youngster and possibly put him under undue presuer in process.

 

Two years to be Chelsea first team level? I disagree. I don't think it would happen overnight but two years is a little silly. Not sure what these two years actually involve either. Are you suggesting we loan him, blood him gradually or chuck him in straight away? Which of these methods takes two years?

 

How exactly do we give up competing for trophies by incorporating him in the team? Would Fabregas, Matic and Oscar suddenly disappear?

 

This is not an article saying we shouldn't buy Pogba, but it urges one to think what is the best option going forward. £45 million plus £5 million per season is what Pogba would cost (and I'm being conservative) when RLC has the potential to offer financial benefits as well as being one of our own.

 

It's a tough decision.

Two years to be Chelsea first team level? I disagree. I don't think it would happen overnight but two years is a little silly. Not sure what these two years actually involve either. Are you suggesting we loan him, blood him gradually or chuck him in straight away? Which of these methods takes two years?

 

How exactly do we give up competing for trophies by incorporating him in the team? Would Fabregas, Matic and Oscar suddenly disappear?

 

This is not an article saying we shouldn't buy Pogba, but it urges one to think what is the best option going forward. £45 million plus £5 million per season is what Pogba would cost (and I'm being conservative) when RLC has the potential to offer financial benefits as well as being one of our own.

 

It's a tough decision.

 

Its not silly at all. It would be much the same way JT did it for us and everyone from Messi to Harry Kane have done over the last decade.

 

Ist season in the senior team make about 10 appearances, 2nd season make about 20-25 appearances. Third season become a first team regular.

 

I am not in favour sending special talents like RLC and Baker out on loan. We should look to make room in the squad for such gifted youngsters and give them 2-3 years to break into the first 11.

 

However in this case both things (buying Pogba and giving a shot to RLC) can happen at the same time. Its a poor article because it presents this as a choice between the two options.

Edited March 19, 201511 yr by Indigo_Blue

I've not seen much of this lad, seems plenty on here rate him very highly.

Is he really a star in the making?

Its not silly at all. It would be much the same way JT did it for us and everyone from Messi to Harry Kane have done over the last decade.

 

Ist season in the senior team make about 10 appearances, 2nd season make about 20-25 appearances. Third season become a first team regular.

 

 

This is his first season but you'd expect him just to make 10 appearances next season? Fair enough. I disagree.

 

Pogba actually made 37 appearances in his first season at Juventus.

 

I am not in favour sending special talents like RLC and Baker out on loan. We should look to make room in the squad for such gifted youngsters and give them 2-3 years to break into the first 11.

 

Loftus-Cheek and Baker are different prospects in my opinion but I agree with your point.

 

 

However in this case both things (buying Pogba and giving a shot to RLC) can happen at the same time. Its a poor article because it presents this as a choice between the two options.

 

Matic is here for the next 5 years at least, Fabregas for the next 5 and Oscar probably for a while too so I think the article suggests that the financial commitment to those players plus Pogba would make it very difficult for Loftus-Cheek to get meaningful game time, especially under someone like Mourinho.

 

What I took away from that article was that there's a certain risk to committing close to £75 million over five years to someone like Pogba when we may have someone at the club already who could fill that slot. 

Edited March 19, 201511 yr by Blue Daze

Hopefully being around the first team this season will give him the tactical awareness to get a run of games next season. I'm speculating of course but I think Mou will use 4-3-2-1 again next season (i.e. when trying to contain or hold a lead) - RLC seems a good candidate to be a part of that.

Edited March 19, 201511 yr by the special one

This is his first season but you'd expect him just to make 10 appearances next season? Fair enough. I disagree.

 

Pogba actually made 37 appearances in his first season at Juventus.

 

Pogba was more experienced. He kind of had his first season at United (okay 7 games instead of 10) and went to Juve which are in a less competitive league than United. So he got 37 games in total (instead of the ballpark 25 i mention). It only serves to support my argument rather than against it.

 

Matic is here for the next 5 years at least, Fabregas for the next 5 and Oscar probably for a while too so I think the article suggests that the financial commitment to those players plus Pogba would make it very difficult for Loftus-Cheek to get meaningful game time, especially under someone like Mourinho.

 

What I took away from that article was that there's a certain risk to committing close to £75 million over five years to someone like Pogba when we may have someone at the club already who could fill that slot. 

 

Oscar does not come into the equation really. We need atleast 4 deep mid fielders in the squad. I dont see why that can not be Matic, Cesc, Pogba and RLC. Why does there have to be a choice.

 

And to comitting £75m over 5 years. Its a risk-reward thing. Great things happen to those who take great calculated risks. I see this situation as being very similar to that of Hazard's in 2012. We made a commitment of £80m over 5 years and look how it has turned out. Chickening out of risks is never a good thing.

RLC would be lucky to get 10 appearances next season. 

Pogba was more experienced. He kind of had his first season at United (okay 7 games instead of 10) and went to Juve which are in a less competitive league than United. So he got 37 games in total (instead of the ballpark 25 i mention). It only serves to support my argument rather than against it.

 

 

 

Pogba's experience, especially around the first team, was hardly that much greater than RLC's has been to be honest. He's been around the first team for a while and I could see him getting a fair few games next year especially if we lost one of Mikel and Ramires as anticipated.

 

 

Oscar does not come into the equation really. We need atleast 4 deep mid fielders in the squad. I dont see why that can not be Matic, Cesc, Pogba and RLC. Why does there have to be a choice.

 

And to comitting £75m over 5 years. Its a risk-reward thing. Great things happen to those who take great calculated risks. I see this situation as being very similar to that of Hazard's in 2012. We made a commitment of £80m over 5 years and look how it has turned out. Chickening out of risks is never a good thing.

 

See I think gambling on RLC has a massive upside as well, and the Hazard example is flawed simply because we didn't have someone in the academy even close to his potential. 

 

It's not just RLC either, but Chalobah who either needs to be given a chance or moved on for his own sake. This is about establishing a homegrown, English heart to the team in preparation for JT's retirement. 

 

Chickening out in this instance is opening the chequebook and buying a player when we can actually incorporate one into a league-winning midfield of Matic, Oscar and Fabregas.

 

But I'll admit I'm very biased because I'm an English Chelsea supporter who has a great desire to see young players come through. Nothing would make me happier.

Edited March 19, 201511 yr by Blue Daze

We have so many brilliant young players it's mouthwatering. I want to see at least 3 get occasional games in the first team.

Chickening out in this instance is opening the chequebook and buying a player when we can actually incorporate one into a league-winning midfield of Matic, Oscar and Fabregas.

 

But I'll admit I'm very biased because I'm an English Chelsea supporter who has a great desire to see young players come through. Nothing would make me happier.

 

I dont know what makes you think otherwise but I am an English Chelsea supporter as well. I want a midfield 3 of of RLC, Colkett and Brown in 5 years time as our mainstay as well. But we need to have a balanced approach towards youth rather than going all cowboy about it.

 

And no. Buying Pogba is not chickening out. You need to be realistic about youth integration here. We dont really want to be like arsenal here. RLC can realistically get 10-15 games in the 4 CM combination (of Matic, Cesc, Pogba and RLC) which would give him better than not chance of making it to the first team as a regular in two seasons.

 

But thursting so much presuer on a 19yo that he is the be all end all is Matic is injured will be foolish and Jose will never put himself in that situation.

Edited March 19, 201511 yr by Indigo_Blue

I dont know what makes you think otherwise but I am an English Chelsea supporter as well. I want a midfield 3 of of RLC, Colkett and Brown in 5 years time as our mainstay as well. But we need to have a balanced approach towards youth rather than going all cowboy about it.

 

 

In 5 years time Matic could be the best defensive midfielder in the world and Brown is never a central midfielder. Think he'll end up as a winger if he makes it here - big if though. Boga through the middle is the great hope.

 

 

 

And no. Buying Pogba is not chickening out. You need to be realistic about youth integration here. We dont really want to be like arsenal here. RLC can realistically get 10-15 games in the 4 CM combination (of Matic, Cesc, Pogba and RLC) which would give him better than not chance of making it to the first team as a regular in two seasons.

 

 

That's a complete misunderstanding of what Arsenal did. Their great mistake was UNDERINVESTMENT in the first team, something I don't see us doing especially with the gaps that need filling in central defence and on the right-wing.

 

We essentially play a midfield three (Matic, Fabregas and Oscar) and that doesn't leave a lot of minutes for the likes of Ramires and Mikel as it is. Plus there's players like Chalobah, Ake and Boga who will come through in the next 1-2 years.

 

 

 

But thursting so much presuer on a 19yo that he is the be all end all is Matic is injured will be foolish and Jose will never put himself in that situation.

 

 

There's also Zouma who can cover that position but the point is that in all likelihood Jose will sign Pogba. Fans around the world get their wish and we marginalise yet another young English player. 

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree. For me, seeing one of our young players make it would be as good as any trophy. 

I've not seen much of this lad, seems plenty on here rate him very highly.

Is he really a star in the making?

 

Very possibly. Has everything to his game and has an awesome physical presence too. He needs to be challenged though.

 

More than that he represents the best hope of getting an English heart in the team for the long-term and that is something we desperately need.