Got ripped apart by Leicester yesterday.

Got ripped apart by Leicester yesterday.

I wouldn't say he got ripped. I don't think he was at fault for either pen, and the 3rd was handball.

I wouldn't say he got ripped. I don't think he was at fault for either pen, and the 3rd was handball.

Vardy tied him in knots with his movement in the build up to the second penalty but Stones was square on so a bit flat footed.

But he's still having an excellent season and if there is any chance of him still joining us I'd love to see him here.

Got ripped apart by Leicester yesterday.

Happens to every defender at some point, Terry got demolished by Kane last year at WHL only to then shut him out at Wembley a few weeks later, can be a good experience in a way.

Got ripped apart by Leicester yesterday.

Leicester have ripped pretty much everyone's defence apart this season

My main reason for wanting him to come in is he's english. And even then, I'm still thinking lets just bring back christianson next season and save 40 millioon

My main reason for wanting him to come in is he's english. And even then, I'm still thinking lets just bring back christianson next season and save 40 millioon

 

Zouma, Stones and Christenson and we're set for a decade.

Though Kurt still has a lot of developing to do. He was poor yesterday.

Vardy tied him in knots with his movement in the build up to the second penalty but Stones was square on so a bit flat footed.

But he's still having an excellent season and if there is any chance of him still joining us I'd love to see him here.

I don't think he could've done anything different to prevent the second penalty. Vardy timed his run perfectly and the weight of the ball was good.

Thought he looked average yesterday against Leicester but at his age he is still learning and ALL defenders will make mistakes.

 

As I've said before, I like the idea of Stones but NOT at the sort of price we will have to pay and not when we already have Christensen on our books who IMO is as good if not better and younger. Be great to have both long-term but not if Stones is going to cost upwards of £35m - that's way too much for a CB, still with a lot to prove.

To be honest, from what i have seen of him this season, i think he is overrated. I would much rather we gave Christensen a go.

To be honest, from what i have seen of him this season, i think he is overrated. I would much rather we gave Christensen a go.

 

Stones is better than Christensen.

 

Not by much but he is. Everton's defence is very poor.

Stones is better than Christensen.

 

Not by much but he is. Everton's defence is very poor.

 

Is that margin worth the 35million then? Whilst generally I haven't really cared for the numbers given that it's not my money, it's become a consideration with the FFP coming into play and opportunity cost etc.

Stones is better than Christensen.

 

Not by much but he is. Everton's defence is very poor.

Even if that is the case, which in my opinion he is maybe a little bit better as of now (but that certainly is not £35m better). We shouldn't be comparing the two of them, as of now, Christensen is still only 19 and has two years, years in which a lot of development can and should happen, of developing to catch up with Stones.

Stones as of 2 years ago had only accrued 28 minutes of Premier league experience and will only get given a chance in the Everton side after the turn of the year due to a mass of injuries, (which happened again last season to bring him back into the side his career was also helped along by the drastic loss of form of players like Distin creating a place for Stones in the EVerton side and bringing him in to the overhyping lime light this seems to be the progreeion though for all EVerton youngsters Gallaway being this seasons new in thing, where as

Christensen has pushed himself back into a reasonably strong Champions league quality side, and with 1260 minutes of Bundesliga experience, 12 minutes in the Premier league experience and 450 minutes of Champions League experience as well as being a fully capped International.

Christensen is far more experienced at a much higher level that Stones was at this stage of his Career.

This for me along with a relatively poor memory of Stones from 2 seasons ago and a probably slightly biased opinion of Christensen, suggests that Christensen is a lot better than Stones was at 19 and since he is currently playing at similar level and style to what Stones is currently capable of, I can't believe anything other than in the long run Christensen is going to be a better player and therefore the much better option, especially when you consider that he has been here since he was 16 so count's as both home grown and club grown. 

However I would never say no to having Stones, Christensen and Zouma as our options in the future.

I would also say that Zouma is currently a better defender than Stones, while again being younger so yes Stones will be a very good defender but we really don't need to and should pay silly money for him       

Stones is better than Christensen.

 

Not by much but he is. Everton's defence is very poor.

 

I'm not convinced he is to be honest. Christensen is having a very good season in Germany and is playing in Europe, what is Stones doing this season ? Hanging around mid table, getting caught out defensively from time to time and playing no European football.

 

If we go back in for Stones then we would be paying for hype more than anything else.

Stones at least is proven in the EPL.

There are plenty of players who do it in say Germany but fail to impress long term here, so it's not as easy saying he will be as good for us as he is for them. I don't think he's particularly anything special from what I have seen of him this season.

That being said we should be giving him a chance to show what he can do as he may well just be what we are missing right now.

However Stones for me is a much better defender and considerably more talented.

Like I said way back, there are lots of examples that english players are just that, overhyped.. take rodwel for example.. 

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Edited December 24, 201510 yr by GhostOfDembaPast

Hopefully we go back in for him in the Summer, doubt Everton will sell in January

I'm not really seeing much from Stones that makes me think he is worth the gamble, TBH.  He was exposed a few times again yesterday.  Sure, he may turn into a great defender, but I think for the money being touted I'd rather not take the gamble.

Honestly I would rather have us spend such sum on Varane, Marquinho or Laporte. They are also and very much better and experienced than Stones. Better still spend less than half on Umtiti from Lyon. He's a good prospect.

Honestly I would rather have us spend such sum on Varane, Marquinho or Laporte. They are also young and very much better and experienced than Stones. Better still spend less than half on Umtiti from Lyon. He's a good prospect.

Edited December 27, 201510 yr by lesblues

I think the English factor is what makes a lot of us lean towards him.

Peraonally, I think it's also important to see a few English players in the XI.

With Terry's time almost over, you only have Cahill, who many still have reservations about.

Shame you have the 15m surcharge for English players.

Edited December 27, 201510 yr by GhostOfDembaPast

I think the English factor is what makes a lot of us lean towards him.

Personally, I think it's also important to see a few English players in the XI.

With Terry's time almost over, you only have Cahill, who many still have reservations about.

Shame you have the 15m surcharge for English players.

 

Very valid point.

 

Although I prefer Christensen to Stones, as he looks as good if not better, is already ours and will save us a small fortune, I am also liking the idea that we have both and the two form the basis of our defence for the next decade.

 

I think you are right about having an English contingent. Look how vital JT, Lamps and the two Coles were to us for so long. And the successful Arsenal side with Seaman, Adams, Dixon, Winterburn and Parlour. And Utd with the Neville's, Beckham, Scholes etc.

 

Not saying you can't be successful without English / British players but I think you look at our starting 11 currently and it is missing, I don't know how to put it really - a certain type of player with a bit of heart and spirit?

Edited December 27, 201510 yr by Nibs

well you hope to have a core with sort of an elemental feel for the club / connection to the fans. I think in general it is easier for local or home grown players to have that. but to me eidur had it, franco had it, cech too and drogba had it after he fully settled. they way henry talks about arsenal is good to see- it isn't faked and he's clearly a supporter.

 

and you do get homegrown players who fans don't take to like carrick or lamps at west ham.

 

at the moment, and I felt this last season  too (aside from drogba and cech as I say) I feel only JT and perhaps ivanovic have that connection with the fans. but the players have to be allowed to grow into it. didier spent a few years wishing he would be back at marseille or in milan for example. and to be fair that becomes harder to see or feel when the players are split and so woefully, desperately out of form.

 

stones is potentially a really good player but I hate the idea of spending so massively on potential (which is what we'd be doing) when it seems like there is a resistance to giving the players with potential at the club the sort of chance we'd clearly be giving him.it feels like if stones came through our youth system he'd be on loan to crystal palace right now. I'm not knocking him because I would like us to sign him. it just does seem a bit odd.