18 minutes ago, charierre said:

Arsenal's record in 2021 isn't too shabby and falls a little under the radar. They will have the advantage of a lot of their players being rested over the summer and a more complete squad pre season albeit interrupted by covid. A lack of European football will help with preparation for Premier League games in a similar way that it did for us in Conte's first season.

https://www.myfootballfacts.com/stats/premier-league-by-season/premier-league-2020-21/premier-league-table-2021/

Arsenal's "good" 2021 was the same as their "good" 2020 side of 19/20 (which led to the mistaken belief Arteta was the next big thing) and other years before that, stringing a few wins together while the pressure was off due to them already cocking up their season. If anything that makes them less likely to have a good season this time round as it gives their owners an excuse to do little.

There's a reason a lot of their players have been well rested over the summer and that's because they ain't very good. 

Edited August 11, 20214 yr by Argo

3 minutes ago, Argo said:

Arsenal's "good" 2021 was the same as their "good" 2020 and other years before that, stringing a few wins together while the pressure was off. If anything that makes them less likely to have a good season this time round as it gives their owners an excuse to do little.

There's a reason a lot of their players have been well rested over the summer and that's because they ain't very good. A free midweek with Ben White and Rob Holding is no different to a free midweek with James Tarkowski and Ben Mee. 

Lets hope your correct. I still say though No Helping Hands.

1 hour ago, charierre said:

Arsenal's record in 2021 isn't too shabby and falls a little under the radar. They will have the advantage of a lot of their players being rested over the summer and a more complete squad pre season albeit interrupted by covid. A lack of European football will help with preparation for Premier League games in a similar way that it did for us in Conte's first season.

https://www.myfootballfacts.com/stats/premier-league-by-season/premier-league-2020-21/premier-league-table-2021/

Personally I would prefer not to sell to them, we all know the media will be chomping at the bit for any hint that we haven't spent our money wisely and a direct comparison will be inevitable. Whilst admitting to not being Tammy's greatest fan, more so with his hold up play  and strength than his ability to being in the right place at the right time in the penalty area. At 23 he is possibly going to have a 'break out' season like so many young strikers do as they become more streetwise to the professional game. I'd prefer it not to be with the Gooners, who still are a huge club. Football honours have been cyclic for most of the time I've watched, its nice we now have the ascendancy, lets keep it that way with no helping hand. As for Tammy I do wonder if a move to Italy could be the making of him, new experience etc. Its interesting that the offer from Roma may well include a 'buyback clause', the club are no doubt aware of his potential.

If Arsenal want Tammy it is 59m if Roma/Atl want him it is 40 

We have done the same thing with Mata and Matic. 

 

 

48 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

If Arsenal want Tammy it is 59m if Roma/Atl want him it is 40 

We have done the same thing with Mata and Matic. 

 

 

That is fair. Roma have given us a buy back clause as well so the deal offers a lot.

However if Arsenal slap down 55mill pounds or higher then that would be acceptable in my opinion.

Let's just be clear with Tammy on the situation as to what we will and wont accept.

Senior moment

Edited August 11, 20214 yr by charierre

So an interesting triangle is forming here.

According to reports Tammy's agent will talk details with the Roma GM today. At the same time Tammy is going to be talking to club higher ups to try and convince them to sell him to Arsenal, who would go in for him if he turns Roma down as their fallback option is Lazzacate for a similar price and Tammy has been made aware of this apparently.

58 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

So an interesting triangle is forming here.

According to reports Tammy's agent will talk details with the Roma GM today. At the same time Tammy is going to be talking to club higher ups to try and convince them to sell him to Arsenal, who would go in for him if he turns Roma down as their fallback option is Lazzacate for a similar price and Tammy has been made aware of this apparently.

We should not be entertaining this - too many moving parts for something to break down there.

what is Roma don't go for Laca? what if Laca doesn't want to go to Roma? What if Laca breaks a leg on training tom? What if Arsenal simply can't be trusted to bid?

 

Personal view is, if they want him, they stump up the cash now. Abraham has not done enough to be able to dictate or get special treatment (like cech).

38 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

We should not be entertaining this - too many moving parts for something to break down there.

what is Roma don't go for Laca? what if Laca doesn't want to go to Roma? What if Laca breaks a leg on training tom? What if Arsenal simply can't be trusted to bid?

 

Personal view is, if they want him, they stump up the cash now. Abraham has not done enough to be able to dictate or get special treatment (like cech).

I mean Tammy has dedicated far more years to chelsea football club than Cech. In fact, practically his whole life. 
Secondly, it’s his career - he can simply not sign the contract at Roma then we’re stuck with a player the manager doesn’t want who is winding down their contract (which the club don’t like) which will force their hand.

 

More power to him, been treated poorly so can do whatever he wants with his career, as anyone can. I certainly wouldn’t be doing my employer any favours when moving jobs.

8 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

I mean Tammy has dedicated far more years to chelsea football club than Cech. In fact, practically his whole life. 

While true, Cech brought his talent to Chelsea whereas Tammy Abraham would amount to little were it not for Chelsea's investment in developing his talent. Which is probably a fact that he is acutely aware of.

Sadly it seems many in Chelsea media contrive to portray Abraham as some sort of renegade or entitled brat, where he has been anything but (according to his coaches). I tend to trust what comes out of Lampard or Tuchels' mouth more than some nobody from The Athletic.

I don't see the issue in selling Abraham to Arsenal. If he goes there and becomes a star player, fair play to him. We'll buy him back a few seasons later just as Arsenal lost the likes of van Persie, Nasri, Sanchez and Fabregas to rivals.

Barcelona didn't field a Champions League winning team with 11 Academy graduates by having them all move directly from youth team to first team. Half that team were bought back from rival clubs who provided the right environment at the time to complete their development. That's the difference between a club that wins things with youth players (Barcelona, Bayern) and clubs that are resigned to selling youth players for profit (Dortmund, Ajax, Arsenal etc.)

The lesson to learn from the sale of Lukaku, De Bruyne and Salah isn't that you shouldn't sell your youth players, it's that you should always keep the door open for a quick/cheap return home when it suits.

5 minutes ago, SydneyChelsea said:

While true, Cech brought his talent to Chelsea whereas Tammy Abraham would amount to little were it not for Chelsea's investment in developing his talent. Which is probably a fact that he is acutely aware of.

Sadly it seems many in Chelsea media contrive to portray Abraham as some sort of renegade or entitled brat, where he has been anything but (according to his coaches). I tend to trust what comes out of Lampard or Tuchels' mouth more than some nobody from The Athletic.

I don't see the issue in selling Abraham to Arsenal. If he goes there and becomes a star player, fair play to him. We'll buy him back a few seasons later just as Arsenal lost the likes of van Persie, Nasri, Sanchez and Fabregas to rivals.

Barcelona didn't field a Champions League winning team with 11 Academy graduates by having them all move directly from youth team to first team. Half that team were bought back from rival clubs who provided the right environment at the time to complete their development. That's the difference between a club that wins things with youth players (Barcelona, Bayern) and clubs that are resigned to selling youth players for profit (Dortmund, Ajax, Arsenal etc.)

The lesson to learn from the sale of Lukaku, De Bruyne and Salah isn't that you shouldn't sell your youth players, it's that you should always keep the door open for a quick/cheap return home when it suits.

Given he was our top goalscorer under Lampard and joint top last season despite not getting a sniff in the second half of the season, I don’t completely agree. Of course, it’s not comparable to Cechs on the field contribution to the club, but that’s not on Tammy that he doesn’t get a look in. Cech was bought as somewhat the ready made product. I think Tammy would have been picked up by another Clubs youth teams and likely have developed there as well but it’s hypothetical.

 

I agree, Arsenal are not our competitive rivals anymore, they’re becoming or have become a mid table club and I don’t think signings like Ben White and Ramsdale are going to change that any time soon. That’s why I don’t think it’s a big deal to sell him there if they’re paying the money. As I said, given his contract running down, I’m sure I read he’s in no rush to leave and the fact the club don’t like losing players for free at the end of contracts (look at the young players). Tammy has quite a bit of leverage on where he ends up I think.

3 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

I mean Tammy has dedicated far more years to chelsea football club than Cech. In fact, practically his whole life. 
Secondly, it’s his career - he can simply not sign the contract at Roma then we’re stuck with a player the manager doesn’t want who is winding down their contract (which the club don’t like) which will force their hand.

 

More power to him, been treated poorly so can do whatever he wants with his career, as anyone can. I certainly wouldn’t be doing my employer any favours when moving jobs.

Cech was a legend, who was one of the best in his world at his position, had dedicated the best years of his advice to Chelsea, overcoming a career threatening injury to win pretty much everything with us.

Tammy is a player who has been hit or miss over 2 seasons, with the only thing he has done more than falling over, being to flex by taking selfies of him and his WAG in his Lambo

Real simple here, for me:

A)Sell to the Arse only if they pay significantly a London rival premium,

B) Encourage Tammy in the strongest terms to go to Roma,

and if A or B dont happen, C) chuck him in the reserves for 2 years. Does he want to play and get to the top? Or does he want the money and lifestyle?. His choice will show his real level of ambition.

6 hours ago, axman2526 said:

So an interesting triangle is forming here.

According to reports Tammy's agent will talk details with the Roma GM today. At the same time Tammy is going to be talking to club higher ups to try and convince them to sell him to Arsenal, who would go in for him if he turns Roma down as their fallback option is Lazzacate for a similar price and Tammy has been made aware of this apparently.

Not sure why he wants to go to Arsenal, I honestly think he can establish himself in Serie A pretty well.

1 hour ago, nonotnowjim said:

Cech was a legend, who was one of the best in his world at his position, had dedicated the best years of his advice to Chelsea, overcoming a career threatening injury to win pretty much everything with us.

Tammy is a player who has been hit or miss over 2 seasons, with the only thing he has done more than falling over, being to flex by taking selfies of him and his WAG in his Lambo

Real simple here, for me:

A)Sell to the Arse only if they pay significantly a London rival premium,

B) Encourage Tammy in the strongest terms to go to Roma,

and if A or B dont happen, C) chuck him in the reserves for 2 years. Does he want to play and get to the top? Or does he want the money and lifestyle?. His choice will show his real level of ambition.

For someone with such a clear dislike to Tammy you spent a lot of time posting in his thread.

There’s no point in even discussing him with you as you’ve got your mind set that you dislike him, not only as a player but as a person it would seem, pretty weird feeling towards a guy who grew up being Chelsea.

“being to flex by taking selfies of him and his WAG in his Lambo” - case and point. 
 

Aye, sure C will happen right enough - the club will happily just chuck a 35-40m asset on the scrap heap just like that and lose it him for free in 2 years😂.

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

Not sure why he wants to go to Arsenal, I honestly think he can establish himself in Serie A pretty well.

Agreed, he can develop more at Roma imo.

5 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

For someone with such a clear dislike to Tammy you spent a lot of time posting in his thread.

There’s no point in even discussing him with you as you’ve got your mind set that you dislike him, not only as a player but as a person it would seem, pretty weird feeling towards a guy who grew up being Chelsea.

“being to flex by taking selfies of him and his WAG in his Lambo” - case and point. 
 

Aye, sure C will happen right enough - the club will happily just chuck a 35-40m asset on the scrap heap just like that and lose it him for free in 2 years😂.

Tammy quote: “To be honest I was an Arsenal fan"...So perhaps not quite growing up being Chelsea.

You are right though, I don't rate him as a footballer, or like some of his behavior. This is reflected in posts on here actually, since when I used to take my son to watch the youths play. Simply put, I have always voiced my opinion that I didn't think he had it in him to make it at the top.

So, a) As a striker, I think he is lacking. He cant head. He rarely wins physical battle. He cant hold the ball up. All fundamentals of a striker. B) As a person, I just cant warm to someone who constantly seems to need to flex his muscles and post selfies of himself. Perhaps if he worked as hard on his game as he does on his image, then he would be a better player who doesnt keep falling over.

Wish him well, and hope proves me wrong by becoming one of the best strikers in the world, particularly if Chelsea have a buy back option. But for now, it is of little impact on the team.

16 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Tammy quote: “To be honest I was an Arsenal fan"...So perhaps not quite growing up being Chelsea.

You are right though, I don't rate him as a footballer, or like some of his behavior. This is reflected in posts on here actually, since when I used to take my son to watch the youths play. Simply put, I have always voiced my opinion that I didn't think he had it in him to make it at the top.

So, a) As a striker, I think he is lacking. He cant head. He rarely wins physical battle. He cant hold the ball up. All fundamentals of a striker. B) As a person, I just cant warm to someone who constantly seems to need to flex his muscles and post selfies of himself. Perhaps if he worked as hard on his game as he does on his image, then he would be a better player who doesnt keep falling over.

Wish him well, and hope proves me wrong by becoming one of the best strikers in the world, particularly if Chelsea have a buy back option. But for now, it is of little impact on the team.

 

Let him go, don't ever seeing him become a top striker.

Out of curiosity would like to see him develop under Mourinho.

Re the photo, I did a double take, is she for real or a blow up?

A real Thunderbirds double-take moment.

 

I wonder if he'll move before he suffers the indignity of Lukaku taking his #9 shirt ?

15 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Tammy quote: “To be honest I was an Arsenal fan"...So perhaps not quite growing up being Chelsea.

You are right though, I don't rate him as a footballer, or like some of his behavior. This is reflected in posts on here actually, since when I used to take my son to watch the youths play. Simply put, I have always voiced my opinion that I didn't think he had it in him to make it at the top.

So, a) As a striker, I think he is lacking. He cant head. He rarely wins physical battle. He cant hold the ball up. All fundamentals of a striker. B) As a person, I just cant warm to someone who constantly seems to need to flex his muscles and post selfies of himself. Perhaps if he worked as hard on his game as he does on his image, then he would be a better player who doesnt keep falling over.

Wish him well, and hope proves me wrong by becoming one of the best strikers in the world, particularly if Chelsea have a buy back option. But for now, it is of little impact on the team.

Agree with this, hes a bit of a strange one always needing to flex his muscles for some reason, when he isnt even that big lol. Now if Lukaku were to flex that makes more sense...

But on the whole, just not that good of a striker imo and if the rumors are true and there's offers between 30-40m for him id take it immediately.

Look at this picture of Tammy... Everyone in joy and celebrating our CL win, and Tammy just sat down tensing his muscles? Weird character, seems like a show off despite his lack of talent

I like Tammy and can completely empathize with him feeling estranged after learning he was the one to miss out under Tuchel. I trust Tuchel judgement though like every other human being he will get some things wrong. Equally I can understand why he would want to stay in LOndon with his mates etc. 

Equally Chelsea invested a lot in him and gave him heaps of opportunity 

I would not be fussed if we sold him to Arsenal for what Roma offers. Roma would probably make it a hire purchase arrangement anyway. 

BBC reporting via the Mail that Tammy holding out on Roma in the hope of Arsenal coming in.

Hope that is not true, after the pics above you would have to ask is it the girlfriend making the decisions?

 

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2021/8/13/22622984/abraham-asks-for-more-time-as-arsenal-propose-lacazette-to-as-roma-reports

Arsenal have offered Lacazette to Roma for a similar loan to buy as Tammy.

Tammy is going to turn Roma down from what I have read and has told the club he wants to join Arsenal.

19 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Tammy quote: “To be honest I was an Arsenal fan"...So perhaps not quite growing up being Chelsea.

You are right though, I don't rate him as a footballer, or like some of his behavior. This is reflected in posts on here actually, since when I used to take my son to watch the youths play. Simply put, I have always voiced my opinion that I didn't think he had it in him to make it at the top.

So, a) As a striker, I think he is lacking. He cant head. He rarely wins physical battle. He cant hold the ball up. All fundamentals of a striker. B) As a person, I just cant warm to someone who constantly seems to need to flex his muscles and post selfies of himself. Perhaps if he worked as hard on his game as he does on his image, then he would be a better player who doesnt keep falling over.

Wish him well, and hope proves me wrong by becoming one of the best strikers in the world, particularly if Chelsea have a buy back option. But for now, it is of little impact on the team.

The one thing I don't really like about Tammy is that he is a bit of a conceited poser at times, it's the reason why I didn't like Sturridge either and our new striker Lukaku is of the same ilk. Though I'm actually surprised that not more English players are like this, a lot of them are surprisingly down to earth.

I believe he has to let chelsea know his plans today,but he is definitely hoping arsenal bid for him.

2 hours ago, Bluesince66 said:

I believe he has to let chelsea know his plans today,but he is definitely hoping arsenal bid for him.

May be a problem for Arsenal as it seems Roma rejected their offer of Laza and instead have told us they will move on to Kenny I from Leicester when Tammy turns them down.