Barry no it wouldn't. So they are 5 points better off. Spurs spent next to nothing, how's their season compared to last ?

 

Spurs have done absolutely brilliantly but they hired a coach who matched the ambitions and expectations of their club. I don't think for a moment that Roman wanted Jose's style of football at the club and that was always going to cause issues.

 

Despite that he managed to win the league last season. Maybe that was enough for Roman.

 

You have the conspiracy theory that Jose wanted to get sacked - what about one that Roman was trying to get him to quit? It's complete rubbish but think about it - weakening his squad, undermining him and selling Cech to his most-hated adversary...like I said it's not true but neither is the notion that Jose wanted to get sacked. I do understand why some now dislike Jose even though I don't agree with it, but sometimes people are just human and their flaws are exposed. 

Edited February 10, 201610 yr by ShedEnder91

Barry no it wouldn't. So they are 5 points better off. Spurs spent next to nothing, how's their season compared to last ?

So you are saying despite a worse league position, points tally and a lesser ability to compete against top teams, MCFC improved?

 

You're  logic then is because they bought even better players?......so MCFC improved because they did for Pelligrini what CFC failed to do for Mourinho?

 

Because that's what im taking from this.....

 

Ive silently wondered along the lines of what ShedEnder has been saying ... the time line of certain actions has only reinforced those notions in my head.  It's no secret Roman has admired Guardiola for a while and if you compare timelines, well it makes for some good tinfoil hat stuff

it seems to me that jose is top notch but for 3 years max, inter, real and us twice

it seems to me that jose is top notch but for 3 years max, inter, real and us twice

I think it's now the trend, the days of manager longevity seem to have passed.

it seems to me that jose is top notch but for 3 years max, inter, real and us twice

Name a manager apart from Wenger and Fergie that stays at a club longer than 3 years, building new squads and winning titles time and time again?

They don't exist. Modern football is about having a good structure in place, not a manager who will stay for 20+ years.

Di Marzio saying Mourinho to United is done aswell now. Might aswell give up on my hope of him not going there. Seeing him win CL and cups for them is going to hurt. A lot.

Di Marzio saying Mourinho to United is done aswell now. Might aswell give up on my hope of him not going there. Seeing him win CL and cups for them is going to hurt. A lot.

We still need a lot of transfer activity.

Outs: Carrick, Rooney, Jones or Rojo, Valencia, Young, Mata (maybe), Fellaini

Ins: A creative CM, a number 10, a striker, a winger, a CB.

Edited February 10, 201610 yr by RAWK Meltdown

We still need a lot of transfer activity.

Outs: Carrick, Rooney, Jones or Rojo, Valencia, Young, Mata (maybe), Fellaini

Ins: A creative CM, a number 10, a striker, a winger, a CB.

If Jose will be United manager, he will keep Rooney and 100% he will sell Mata.

Can't quote for some reason, but i do agree with you. But he will get a hefty warchest at United and get most of the players he want i imagine.

Can't quote for some reason, but i do agree with you. But he will get a hefty warchest at United and get most of the players he want i imagine.

Yes but at the same time he will get rid of some good players and players with great potential just to sign a few big names.

No doubt a few idiots will love to see him succeed at utd just to prove a point to the board.

Let's not forget he left us in 16th after 16 games gone. What was the solution? Sack Hazard Costa Matic Cesc and leave our squad weaker than it really is and not sign strong enough replacements because they aren't available? Jose wouldn't want that.

Face it, he's going to Utd, a job he's always wanted, we were a stop gap. I can somehow see him changing his ways and becoming the manager we hoped he would've been over a longer period of time.

Remember " He's one of us". Means nothing when he goes to utd and goes all out to beat us. Personally I hope Pep destroys him if we can't

Edited February 10, 201610 yr by KonaKai Blue

I don't think he got himself fired on purpose and the rants can be explained by one thing - pressure. The man puts enormous pressure on himself and his players to succeed, and I think he felt like he was hung out to dry this season by the club's failure to improve the squad when it clearly needed it.

 

As for selling creative young talents, he had to sell players to buy and the players he bought won the title in his second year.

 

In the last 3 seasons we've had a net spend of £64 million.

In that same period Man United had a net spend of £198 million and Man City had a net spend of £250 million.

 

The club clearly haven't opened the purse strings for some reason and it's fairly remarkable that he managed to win last year. So for the club to then weaken the squad he had to use, you're going to put pressure on the man and he clearly didn't react well to it.

 

So if you're looking for people to blame for leaving the club in tatters, I think you need to cast the net wider.

The club gave Jose lots of money, Jose squandered it. 

Top kek. This thread is absolutely palpitating!

Jose's legacy is hugely tainted for me.

I really do think he got himself fired on purpose. I just can't explain his doctor rant, the continuous selection of players not playing for him, the moronic excuses after every game etc.

What makes me more angry is he has left my club in tatters by selling creative young talents and has now effed off.

 

When the the club was still in a crazy Twilight Zone episode I was, like many people, baffled by what was happening. I just couldn't get my head around it. But then it dawned on me that Mourinho is even craftier than I could have imagined him to be. He wanted to leave Chelsea FC, but if he quit, he'd tarnish his reputation with Chelsea fans. So being such a determined person, he did everything he could to get sacked. Jumping up and down like a lunatic when the medics ran onto the pitch and then abusing Eva, choosing the same fruitless tactics each week, and sticking by players who obviously weren't performing. It all went together to create a huge disaster that ended up with Mourinho getting exactly what he wanted: sacked. 

 

But even though I believe this, I still have a soft spot for him. Although, I can now appreciate why so many people across the world of football don't like him.

Edited February 11, 201610 yr by Blue Day

I don't believe he did that on purpose. This seaso actually hurt his career. Now people are thinking of him as only 3 season type of manager and not someone who can built legacy at one club. He's not considered as the best Manager in the world anymore.I think Pep took that title from Jose.

If he wanted to be out he would not sign new contract instead of sabotaging entire season. He's a very stubborn man so it make sense he was playing same squad game after game.

I am expecting a big push from United to get Willian if/when Jose is sworn in.

This is slighty salty for me, the way Jose commit managerial suicide with us doing what he did, more or less at the same time LVG was starting to feel the pressure at United, I won't say it was intentional but if Jose behaves like an angelic choirboy at United... well...

I don't believe he did that on purpose. This seaso actually hurt his career. Now people are thinking of him as only 3 season type of manager and not someone who can built legacy at one club. He's not considered as the best Manager in the world anymore.I think Pep took that title from Jose.

If he wanted to be out he would not sign new contract instead of sabotaging entire season. He's a very stubborn man so it make sense he was playing same squad game after game.

The contract he signed is irrelevant, we all know Roman will fire any coach who isn't getting the job done, regardless of the contract they are sitting on.

I don't believe he did that on purpose. This seaso actually hurt his career. Now people are thinking of him as only 3 season type of manager and not someone who can built legacy at one club. He's not considered as the best Manager in the world anymore.I think Pep took that title from Jose.

If he wanted to be out he would not sign new contract instead of sabotaging entire season. He's a very stubborn man so it make sense he was playing same squad game after game.

He was also known as a 3 year manager as soon as he left Inter. Leaving Real cemented that notion. He still is considered one of the best hence why Utd are after him and this Pep vs Jose story picks up.

His career has taken a pause but he is still regarded as the best in his own right. Well to me he is the best and the events leading up to his sacking were far too strange.

I really hope to see the same Jose we saw at Chelsea. If he changes for the better with regards to controversy, mata and approach to games I will be mega peed off.

Edited February 11, 201610 yr by KonaKai Blue

And I'm sure if he does stay there longer than 3 years it will be down to Jose changing his act or having the job he always wanted or whatever and people will ignore every other factor.

Think I've said it before but if United do appoint him that it's a statement of intent that they want to win the title and they'll back that up with money. With City doing the same then for me the obvious appointment becomes Simeone.

 

But I don't think we'll get him. I think we'll take a firm approach and give the job to a handpicked coach who fits all the criteria we have for such an esteemed position. We'll whittle down all the candidates, go over them with a fine-tooth comb and make a decisive move forward and appoint........

 

 

 

 

 

One of two Italian blokes.

Name a manager apart from Wenger and Fergie that stays at a club longer than 3 years, building new squads and winning titles time and time again?

They don't exist. Modern football is about having a good structure in place, not a manager who will stay for 20+ years.

 

I would suggest that is because Utd and Arsenal are regarded as two of the biggest teams in Europe and certainly the PL. Same as players, Managers will obviously look to keep stepping up a level but once you get to a club like Utd or Arsenal you cannot go much higher so if you're successful you stay. I said elsewhere, I think it was our intention to have a long term manager, first with AVB, then with Jose but both were rightly sacked.

 

Managers of others "smaller" clubs will stay but if they are highly regarded and doing well, they will get poached by the big boys.

 

If we get the next appointment right, there is nothing to stop him building something and staying for longer than 3 seasons.

Edited February 11, 201610 yr by Nibs

I see Jose and his agent as expert chess players and manipulators who always think multiple manoeuvres ahead, planning very carefully,setting up ahead of time and ultimately leaving nothing much to chance.

If he felt he wasn't backed in the transfer window, and if he felt the board tied his hands by imposing certain players, then I believe it is possible or likely even, that he wanted out and perhaps wasn't as proactive or committed to pulling it around.

He is not naive and knew roman's likely eventual outcome. I believe he is also savvy enough to see the van gaal situation and be thinking a few moves ahead (I. E get out now, and move into prime position for the utd job)

I really hope I am way off as it would be awful to Think Jose played Chelsea and our fans...

I see Jose and his agent as expert chess players and manipulators who always think multiple manoeuvres ahead, planning very carefully,setting up ahead of time and ultimately leaving nothing much to chance.

If he felt he wasn't backed in the transfer window, and if he felt the board tied his hands by imposing certain players, then I believe it is possible or likely even, that he wanted out and perhaps wasn't as proactive or committed to pulling it around.

He is not naive and knew roman's likely eventual outcome. I believe he is also savvy enough to see the van gaal situation and be thinking a few moves ahead (I. E get out now, and move into prime position for the utd job)

I really hope I am way off as it would be awful to Think Jose played Chelsea and our fans...

 

He has played the fans to an extent. He knows most of us love him and lap up his every word and make any excuse for him.

 

This is similar to JTs contract situation. Now I'm not having a go at JT, I'm just saying that he's using his power and status to influence the fans by coming out in public and talking about not being given a contract when we have more important matters to focus on this season.

 

The interesting battle would be Jose vs JT. I honestly couldn't tell who the fans would side for.