Mary O’Rourke (Carneiro’s lawyer): "The two sides are so far apart financially. And we want Mr Mourinho to make a public apology.“ [iTV]

Ouch..that wouldn't go down well with his future employers.

 

If Carneiro's lawyer is mixing up the two cases (constructive dismissal vs Chelsea, and alleged discrimination vs José) that does not bode well for her.

If Carneiro's lawyer is mixing up the two cases (constructive dismissal vs Chelsea, and alleged discrimination vs José) that does not bode well for her.

What makes you think she is? She just seems to be saying: "We want money from the club for constructive dismissal. And we want JM to say sorry in public for yelling at her for running on to treat Hazard". I don't see how she's mixing up the two cases.

The hearing today was about the Chelsea case only. She's either horrible misquoted (creatively edited) or she's mixing up the cases to try and get more sympathy and public support in the only case of the two where they stand a chance of winning.

The hearing today was about the Chelsea case only. She's either horrible misquoted (creatively edited) or she's mixing up the cases to try and get more sympathy and public support in the only case of the two where they stand a chance of winning.

Sorry but today's hearing wasn't about her vs the club only. Sky actually reported there were representatives from the club, JM and her. It was a closed door session and whatever the result of the hearing is, its confidential ( according her lawyer) ,so one outside the courtroom knows much.

I still can't believe that United would choose Giggs over Jose. It's far too risky and such a sentimental appointment.

I think it's all a smoke screen and Jose will be taking over in July.

Good idea. The website takes donations I believe so maybe you should wager on that.

 

Ok, I'll make a £100 donation to this site if Mourinho is appointed by Manchester United and any one of the following three events fail to happen between the start and end of next season:

 

• Based on results, one respected former Manchester United player/coach goes as far to call Mourinho's appointment a mistake.
• At least three well known journalists/pundits question Mourinho's reputation as a top manager and his ability to still get results.

 

And, taking into account how he'll spend a significant amount of money to cover up his increasingly obvious limitations:

 

• He'll still finish five or more points behind the eventual champions /or/ outside the top two.

 

Like I said, he is done as a top manager and next season will prove that.

Ok, I'll make a £100 donation to this site if Mourinho is appointed by Manchester United and any one of the following three events fail to happen between the start and end of next season:

 

• Based on results, one respected former Manchester United player/coach goes as far to call Mourinho's appointment a mistake.
• At least three well known journalists/pundits question Mourinho's reputation as a top manager and his ability to still get results.

 

And, taking into account how he'll spend a significant amount of money to cover up his increasingly obvious limitations:

 

• He'll still finish five or more points behind the eventual champions /or/ outside the top two.

 

Like I said, he is done as a top manager and next season will prove that.

 

That seems overly-complicated and open to interpretation. How about you just put it on whether he wins the league in the next two seasons if he's appointed.

• At least three well known journalists/pundits question Mourinho's reputation as a top manager and his ability to still get results.

 

This would happen in the build up to his first game. Deal is dead in the water before it starts, you can't lose.

Ok, I'll make a £100 donation to this site if Mourinho is appointed by Manchester United and any one of the following three events fail to happen between the start and end of next season:

 

• Based on results, one respected former Manchester United player/coach goes as far to call Mourinho's appointment a mistake.
• At least three well known journalists/pundits question Mourinho's reputation as a top manager and his ability to still get results.

 

And, taking into account how he'll spend a significant amount of money to cover up his increasingly obvious limitations:

 

• He'll still finish five or more points behind the eventual champions /or/ outside the top two.

 

Like I said, he is done as a top manager and next season will prove that.

 

 

I love this - what league winning manger of the last 15 years has not spent significantly to win the league?? ou may have your exception at the end of the season but you don't right now. There is a reason there was a traditional "big 4" for so long... MONEY 

Ok, I'll make a £100 donation to this site if Mourinho is appointed by Manchester United and any one of the following three events fail to happen between the start and end of next season:

 

• Based on results, one respected former Manchester United player/coach goes as far to call Mourinho's appointment a mistake.
• At least three well known journalists/pundits question Mourinho's reputation as a top manager and his ability to still get results.

 

And, taking into account how he'll spend a significant amount of money to cover up his increasingly obvious limitations:

 

• He'll still finish five or more points behind the eventual champions /or/ outside the top two.

 

Like I said, he is done as a top manager and next season will prove that.

Take it you wasn't celebrating when Mourinho won s*** loads of trophies at Chelsea and broke plenty of records.

I love this - what league winning manger of the last 15 years has not spent significantly to win the league?? ou may have your exception at the end of the season but you don't right now. There is a reason there was a traditional "big 4" for so long... MONEY 

 

And so soon after such a low net spend to create our title winning side 

 

And so soon after such a low net spend to create our title winning side 

 

 

This is true - I always forget that we turned a profit in the year we won the league 

Sorry but today's hearing wasn't about her vs the club only. Sky actually reported there were representatives from the club, JM and her. It was a closed door session and whatever the result of the hearing is, its confidential ( according her lawyer) ,so one outside the courtroom knows much.

In that case the BBC article I saw was not fully accurate.

Ok, I'll make a £100 donation to this site if Mourinho is appointed by Manchester United and any one of the following three events fail to happen between the start and end of next season:

 

• Based on results, one respected former Manchester United player/coach goes as far to call Mourinho's appointment a mistake.
• At least three well known journalists/pundits question Mourinho's reputation as a top manager and his ability to still get results.

 

And, taking into account how he'll spend a significant amount of money to cover up his increasingly obvious limitations:

 

• He'll still finish five or more points behind the eventual champions /or/ outside the top two.

 

Like I said, he is done as a top manager and next season will prove that.

Love to hear your opinion on Hazard then

Mirror saying that LVG is set to see out his three year contract and stay next season.

If that's true, I don't understand the reasoning. LVG hasn't exactly pulled up trees and has left them worse.

That seems overly-complicated and open to interpretation. How about you just put it on whether he wins the league in the next two seasons if he's appointed.

 

He won't. But that’s a bet for those among us who think he’s the "closest guarantee to winning a trophy" to make, not me.

 

I’m not only confident that he won’t make a success of the United job, but that he’ll also make a monumental cockup of the job too, so there’s a few more terms (which let’s remember aren’t get out clauses, they’re all weighted against me, I only have to trip up on one and it's a full donation I'm making).

 

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Ok, I'll make a £100 donation to this site if Mourinho is appointed by Manchester United and any one of the following three events fail to happen between the start and end of next season:

 

• At least three well known journalists/pundits question Mourinho's reputation as a top manager and his ability to still get results.

This would happen in the build up to his first game. Deal is dead in the water before it starts, you can't lose.

 

In my very first line, I went out my way to say between the start and end of next season. Which unless football has changed, means kick-off on the opening day to the final whistle on the final day of the season.

 

In your infinite wisdom, you pick a point that's clearly before the start of the season to attack me with. Good work.

 

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I love this - what league winning manger of the last 15 years has not spent significantly to win the league?? ou may have your exception at the end of the season but you don't right now. There is a reason there was a traditional "big 4" for so long... MONEY 

 

And so soon after such a low net spend to create our title winning side 

 

 

Spend as much money as you like, but build something while you’re doing it. That’s his limitation though, He can’t work with what he’s been given and he can’t build for the long term. ‘Rip it up and start again’ is his only way, and it’s just not the right approach for any club trying to establish themselves in a time where every penny counts. He had to find a better way, but he didn’t. He failed, leaving us burnt out and a point or two off the relegation zone.

 

And as for low net spend, the Individual deserves no applause for inheriting a promising squad, selling off some great young talent and then squandering the money on players we’ve had to loan to Italy just to get them out of our hair, players who aren't fit enough to make the bench and players he’s then unable (due to his own limitations) to get a tune out of after twelve months. 

 

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Take it you wasn't celebrating when Mourinho won s*** loads of trophies at Chelsea and broke plenty of records.

 

I did. Once upon a time, he was a great young manager who was well worth celebrating. Now he’s a spent force, a footballing coward and not a very nice man to boot (I think the term I used before was ‘sh*tbag').

 

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Love to hear your opinion on Hazard then

 

Bit of a random request, but ok:

 

Great player, nice kid. Wrongly characterised by many as being arrogant and having a massive ego.

 

I think he’s genuinely struggled with the demands of carrying an attack. A lot was placed on his shoulders by the previous manager and I think as a club we let him down over the summer by not identifying a star performer to take the strain and attacking responsibility off him. Although we did sign Pedro, there is a genuine conundrum about Oscar’s consistency and that makes us short of genuine, reliable quality across the band of three. I dread to think what would have happened if Willian didn’t step up in such a way. We need to do more this summer. Long term, you cannot burn out players or get away with playing the same names week in week out if you're playing 50 plus games a season. Absolute idiocy from the previous manager and thankfully he's paid the price.

 

I don’t like how the Press constantly throw Hazard into the Messi v Ronaldo debate and make it seem like he’s failing or falling short. Talent wise at least, he’s on a level with the likes of Bale, Reus, Ribery and Robben and there’s no shame in that. It’s a great place to be.

 

I think he’s coming back into form and contributing more as the season goes on. European Championships and World Cups must weigh on a player’s mind though, particularly one who is a flag bearer for his country and has underwhelmed in a previous tournament.  Maybe he is guilty of saving himself a bit. As for us though, I think he owes us some big performances at the business end of the season. And he knows it. Hopefully he can carry that out, starting tonight.

 

He will leave us one day, but I hope he genuinely stretches himself at a Real Madrid, if still interested, rather than take an easy option like a Bayern or PSG. I hope we hold on to him for as long as we can and if still around, I hope the next manager (Conte?) truly values him because it will be incredibly difficult to replace him. 

Spend as much money as you like, but build something while you’re doing it. That’s his limitation though, He can’t work with what he’s been given and he can’t build for the long term. ‘Rip it up and start again’ is his only way, and it’s just not the right approach for any club trying to establish themselves in a time where every penny counts. He had to find a better way, but he didn’t. He failed, leaving us burnt out and a point or two off the relegation zone.

 

And as for low net spend, the Individual deserves no applause for inheriting a promising squad, selling off some great young talent and then squandering the money on players we’ve had to loan to Italy just to get them out of our hair, players who aren't fit enough to make the bench and players he’s then unable (due to his own limitations) to get a tune out of after twelve months. 

 

Rofl! That's exactly what he did his first time here, and that team carried us to 2012, and the second term he turned also rans into title winners. If that's failure I want to know what succeeding is.

 

And squandering the money on the likes of Matic, Costa, Fabregas, Willian who were all bench players and made minimal impact in our title winning season. O wait.

 

But yeah, the last 8 months have really validated the conclusion you seem to have formed 10 years ago and has erased every achievement a long the way

Edited March 9, 201610 yr by Stim

A bit poignant looking at Mourinho's celebration of Ba's goal on the video (PSG thread). Happy days.

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Rofl! That's exactly what he did his first time here, and that team carried us to 2012, and the second term he turned also rans into title winners. If that's failure I want to know what succeeding is.

 

And squandering the money on the likes of Matic, Costa, Fabregas, Willian who were all bench players and made minimal impact in our title winning season. O wait.

 

But yeah, the last 8 months have really validated the conclusion you seem to have formed 10 years ago and has erased every achievement a long the way

 

He's about third in line for managerial credit for 2012, and as good as asset stripped our squad the first time round.

 

As for also rans, in 2013/14, Torres, Eto'o and Ba as his strikeforce wasn't the brightest idea and in his first season back where he should have had weight and clout behind him, he could have easily rectified that. He didn't and we came up short when it mattered. He gets an unbelievably free ride there for what was a colossal mistake, particularly then if you're stupid enough to slag said strike force off and get caught doing it.

 

Ultimately though, he finished third in a league season where Brendan Rodgers bettered him point for point. 

 

As for the players you mentioned, take Diego Costa. Mourinho signed a striker who'd come off the back of a 36 goal season and then damaged him in such a way that Hiddink has now got more goals out of him in two months than what Mourinho managed in the whole of 2015. Special.

I think you are being abit extreme in some of the things you're saying but some of the points I do agree with you. Particularly around stripping good youth products and burning out the team.

And he certainly isn't the same Jose that we saw in 2004. He's definitely more moody and attacks players more. He used to give players confidence, now he just takes it away from them.

That said, I would be very hesitant to write him just yet. If it's true that the United job that he's already dreamed of the it might just reenergise him b

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He's about third in line for managerial credit for 2012, and as good as asset stripped our squad the first time round.

 

As for also rans, in 2013/14, Torres, Eto'o and Ba as his strikeforce wasn't the brightest idea and in his first season back where he should have had weight and clout behind him, he could have easily rectified that. He didn't and we came up short when it mattered. He gets an unbelievably free ride there for what was a colossal mistake, particularly then if you're stupid enough to slag said strike force off and get caught doing it.

 

Ultimately though, he finished third in a league season where Brendan Rodgers bettered him point for point. 

 

As for the players you mentioned, take Diego Costa. Mourinho signed a striker who'd come off the back of a 36 goal season and then damaged him in such a way that Hiddink has now got more goals out of him in two months than what Mourinho managed in the whole of 2015. Special.

 

Asset stripped? The squad that made a CL final? Ok.

 

Lack of top strikers around and he got his man afterwards. Improved our league position and actually had us in a title race.

 

Now there is a masterfully crafted piece of being disingenuous I've ever seen. Bravo.

 

So he cant take credit for the 36 goal season but has to take the blame for the coming back overweight and disinterested. Alright.

 

Think I'll bow out of this, you clearly made up your mind years ago and damned the evidence if contrary.

I think you are being abit extreme in some of the things you're saying but some of the points I do agree with you. Particularly around stripping good youth products and burning out the team.

And he certainly isn't the same Jose that we saw in 2004. He's definitely more moody and attacks players more. He used to give players confidence, now he just takes it away from them.

That said, I would be very hesitant to write him just yet. If it's true that the United job that he's already dreamed of the it might just reenergise him b

We're fooling ourselves if we think Jose at United would end in anything less than a trophy a season for them.

I still can't believe that United would choose Giggs over Jose. It's far too risky and such a sentimental appointment.

I think it's all a smoke screen and Jose will be taking over in July.

Nah, they won't have him. He can go to Italy, if he wants to manage a top team. Other than that no top club will take him. He just brings too much baggage with him.

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It is incredible that Jose could potentially be in no mans land job wise.

Still think he'll be at United next season but if he's not, I can't see where he'll end up.

Nah, they won't have him. He can go to Italy, if he wants to manage a top team. Other than that no top club will take him. He just brings too much baggage with him.

Lol. It is not like he is the reigning PL champion.

Edited March 9, 201610 yr by JoseBlues