His problems are mental. Needs to anticipate better and not lose focus.

That being said, needs to up the ante on a lot of his abilities. Average in pretty much most of them but is woeful in finishing.

I would be really happy if we sold him in January.

Who would take him though? Maybe we can flog him to Swansea or something.

2 minutes ago, OverAndOut said:

I would be really happy if we sold him in January.

Who would take him though? Maybe we can flog him to Swansea or something.

Excuse me good sir, you seem to have a rather large chip on your shoulder. Would you like someone to remove it?

How many players come from foreign leagues and need time to settle in and get use to the English game? Would you have us have sold Drogba?

Drogba contributed, and it's easy to say that when you're looking back with the benefit of hindsight and seeing that Drogba ultimately went on to give so much to the club.

You can tell instinctively that Crapash*tto isn't that player. He is beyond gash. I would rather have Mikel back and that's saying something.

Shooting, passing and intercepting is not unique to the English game. He can't even get the basics right.

Very average at best. If his performances don't improve drastically(which would require his skill set to massively improve.) he's gone at the end of the season. I hold very little hope he'll even improve never mind add quality, worthwhile performances to this team. Bad buy. 

 

OverAndOut, I totally agree. Worst part about playing him apart from playing him is that he's keeping other good players in the squad like Fab and Drink outta the team. 

Edited December 27, 20178 yr by Famous CFC

1 minute ago, OverAndOut said:

Drogba contributed, and it's easy to say that when you're looking back with the benefit of hindsight and seeing that Drogba ultimately went on to give so much to the club.

Hindsight - the thing Chelsea fans are currently using in regards to Salah & KDB who weren’t give a chance and moved on to early. 

If this time next season he hasn’t improved fair enough but I’m willing to give the guy who turn Moses from deadweight to steady wing back a chance. 

Moses has always had good pace, dribbling, crossing and a decent shot so it was an easy transition to RWB. Bakayoko ain't got any decent skills. Maybe he's good in goal. 

I think we as fans are too hard on young players that come in and then don't meet our expectations; yes he has had a few stinkers and certainly missed a few chances, he is young and has talent that needs to be harvested and directed; clearly Conte believes in him or he wouldn't play him as much as he does.  I'm sure if Jose was still at the helm he would have binned him, as he did with several others and we all know where they've ended up. As bad as he appears to be, have some patience or he could end up joining the likes of Salah and KDB.  

2 hours ago, Munkworth said:

Hindsight - the thing Chelsea fans are currently using in regards to Salah & KDB who weren’t give a chance and moved on to early. 

If this time next season he hasn’t improved fair enough but I’m willing to give the guy who turn Moses from deadweight to steady wing back a chance. 

This is it. The same sort who are quick to throw young players they don't like under the bus at the earliest opportunity then complain about losing them when they've developed into top players.

Only been a few months and they want the man gone. Utter stupidity, imo.

Give him a fair amount of time and then decide. Drinkwater is probably not fully fit but I've not been exactly impressed with him so far either, so not sure what some on here are clamouring about. 

(I think he'll do a solid-good job, eventually , though, Drinkwater that is.) 

 

Edited December 27, 20178 yr by Sun zhi

I think we need to respect everyone's opinion, some may want instant success and unless the young player coming in is instantly 'world class' they become a little impatient when mistakes are made as the player hones his craft.....give him a couple of seasons by that time he should have a good understanding of the premier league and hopefully if we have the same manager, fully understand what's expected of him. 

14 hours ago, Sun zhi said:

This is it. The same sort who are quick to throw young players they don't like under the bus at the earliest opportunity then complain about losing them when they've developed into top players.

Only been a few months and they want the man gone. Utter stupidity, imo.

Give him a fair amount of time and then decide. Drinkwater is probably not fully fit but I've not been exactly impressed with him so far either, so not sure what some on here are clamouring about. 

(I think he'll do a solid-good job, eventually , though, Drinkwater that is.) 

 

I'm pretty sure I wont have to worry about Bakayoko becoming the same class as KDB or Salah the way he is playing for pool right now. Plus, KDB had class even when he first made his debut for us against Hull. That was a huge mistake on Jose's part to shop him. Just don't think Bakayoko is going to turn out to be a gem. If he does that's brilliant as I'm sure we all want him to be a real class player for the club. I've been at games when our world class players have been slated, that's football. maybe as fans of this club we've had it too good and expect nothing but the best and get frustrated when we're not getting it.

Also you are presuming you have an idea how people are thinking and what their motives are which as you would say is utter stupidity. We're all riding the same bus. sir.

 

Edited December 28, 20178 yr by Famous CFC

I want Awfuljoko to make it at the club, but he’s not going to. I have never seen anyone so inept when on the ball, and we’ve seen some horrendous players at the club. 

Its like he’s never seen a football before and timidly swings the wrong leg at it to see what happens. How did he become a professional footballer?! Complete waste of money. I’d be surprised if he manages to score again this season. 

 

As soon as Drinkwater is 100%, he needs to replace Crapajoko asap.

Edited December 28, 20178 yr by OverAndOut

3 minutes ago, OverAndOut said:

I want Awfuljoko to make it at the club, but he’s not going to. I have never seen anyone so inept when on the ball, and we’ve seen some horrendous players at the club. 

Its like he’s never seen a football before and timidly swings the wrong leg at it to see what happens. How did he become a professional footballer?! Complete waste of money. I’d be surprised if he manages to score again this season. 

 

As soon as Drinkwater is 100%, he needs to replace StupidHairyoko asap.

I respect your opinion buddy but you are losing a lot of credibility with the immature name calling.

i believe he will become a much better player, he just needs time and patience. he had no pre-season, brought back early vs spurs, has had to settle into a new country in a new system with new teammates. the one thing i won't understand though, is why we bothered to let loftus-cheek leave when he could have played the same role pretty much in a midfield three. anyway, every time bakayoko has had a good game it's come against a top side, so that gives me confidence and belief he'll come good. 

Edited December 28, 20178 yr by enigma

Seems like his confidence is easily affected. Looks nervous and a shaky after a bad pass or similar. 

That's a good point.l about big games ^, Spurs, Atletico, Man utd. 

Something interesting he mentioned after the first game... That it is different playing In a three for him, that he'll have to get used to it. Seemed a strange thing for him to say, but seeing him now. There are games where he looks a bit lost.

That's the problem with him... Not sure what kind of player he is meant to be.

Like others mentioned already, he doesn't appear to have the tenacity, workrate and tackling of a dogged DM, nor so much the tactical intelligence as a Makelele type, nor the composure and discipline of a Mikel... 

He doesn't have the attacking quality to be a more advanced midfielder... At the moment it looks like he's a low grade version of...

...Moussa Sissokho :| 

I think Conte will be working hard behind the scenes with him. With some confidence (and some shooting drills for one thing) we'll hopefully be seeing a much better player and a goal threat from midfield.

 

 

Edited December 28, 20178 yr by Sun zhi

Seems like his confidence is easily affected. Looks nervous and a shaky after a bad pass or similar. 
That's a good point.l about big games ^, Spurs, Atletico, Man utd. 
Something interesting he mentioned after the first game... That it is different playing In a three for him, that he'll have to get used to it. Seemed a strange thing for him to say, but seeing him now. There are games where he looks a bit lost.
That's the problem with him... Not sure what kind of player he is meant to be.
Like others mentioned already, he doesn't appear to have the tenacity, workrate and tackling of a dogged DM, nor so much the tactical intelligence as a Makelele type, nor the composure and discipline of a Mikel... 
He doesn't have the attacking quality to be a more advanced midfielder... At the moment it looks like he's a low grade version of...
...Moussa Sissokho :| 
I think Conte will be working hard behind the scenes with him. With some confidence (and some shooting drills for one thing) we'll hopefully be seeing a much better player and a goal threat from midfield.
 
 

Apt comparison that. His strengths are driving forward with the ball, and I have to admit that he makes decent runs, getting into some good positions. In fact, his movement alone has contributed to a few goals already. But in every other facet of the game he is below average (for us). Kante is superior in all aspects which is a bit concerning.

1 hour ago, Imran_CFC said:

I respect your opinion buddy but you are losing a lot of credibility with the immature name calling.

I can't go back and edit them I'm afraid. I'll refer to him by his proper name from now on.

Edited December 28, 20178 yr by OverAndOut

4 hours ago, Famous CFC said:

I'm pretty sure I wont have to worry about Bakayoko becoming the same class as KDB or Salah the way he is playing for pool right now.

You're right, let's all hope he doesn't turn out to be an excellent player for Chelsea eh,  that would be terrible..... 

I'm hopeing as I said in my post that he becomes a great player. But I don't think he will. Guess you missed that part. 

9 hours ago, Famous CFC said:

I'm pretty sure I wont have to worry about Bakayoko becoming the same class as KDB or Salah the way he is playing for pool right now. Plus, KDB had class even when he first made his debut for us against Hull. That was a huge mistake on Jose's part to shop him. Just don't think Bakayoko is going to turn out to be a gem. If he does that's brilliant as I'm sure we all want him to be a real class player for the club. I've been at games when our world class players have been slated, that's football. maybe as fans of this club we've had it too good and expect nothing but the best and get frustrated when we're not getting it.

Also you are presuming you have an idea how people are thinking and what their motives are which as you would say is utter stupidity. We're all riding the same bus. sir.

 

In fairness, I think my comment was a little out of turn. I wasn't actually specifically referring to yourself when I made the comment but I've seen a few posts on here and the match thread which just come across as a little bit distasteful and excessive in criticism and even personal name-calling, etc.

Zappacosta is another who's shown he isn't really up to the level, and he's frustrating to watch, but we can't go around calling for him to be booted out already. He could develop, improve his play, his crossing, his decision making...who knows. These are still relatively young players.

Salah had a few bright moments in the snatches of game time he got, but soon looked very, very poor, lacking in confidence, lacking in basic levels of passing, controlling a ball, shooting.

In fact, a lot of the things mentioned about Bakayoko applied to him.

I remember there was a long time and quite respected user here named Forever Carefree who would have a go at him quite frequently, and he was very sure that Salah would remain a poor player. He didn't have basic technique, he didn't have the intelligence, the ability and that he was just a pace merchant - even while he was performing superbly with Fiorentina. 

When you mentioned coming into Chelsea, it was his first season as a 21 year old in a major league... from limited development in Egypt, then a year (?) in Switzerland, it didn't matter much as he'd made up his mind though that the guy was pretty much useless and would remain that way.

it seems certain people do take a bias towards / against certain players for whatever reason while others get more leeway. 

MaybeI'm guilty of it myself and maybe it's not always with suspect intentions. For myself, I'll always have a soft spot for a player who's physical, works hard, doesn't get knocked off the ball, because I like that type of player. If he and his lightweight, more technically gifted counterpart were going through an equally poor patch, I'd probably be quicker to criticise the latter.

 

Back to the point, though...

I've seen it mentioned here that Bakayoko can't even do the basics right... And I agree. It does seem that way. I think that was the case with Salah, too. And Drogba was pretty much out of his depth as a striker in his first season. I recall watching an interview back then when he was talking about aiming to curl shots into  the corners the way Henry did for Arsenal, and I thought to myself... This is embarrassing. You can't even kick a ball straight or stay on your feet for two seconds, or even properly control a ball, and you're talking about being like Thierry Henry?

(We all know what happened after, though! :p )

Lack of confidence does these things to players...

Thought he looked pretty sh*t when he came on.

Right now his place is in the development team. Can not shoot. He just seams very uncomfortable out there.

I'm happy with the other guys we bought but can not see much good from Baka.

I hope Conte stop using him now. I seen enough for awhile. 

Reckon, despite the good performance of drinkwater today, is back to the 3-5-2 at arsenal with baka, Kante and cesc 

He better not do. Drink needs a run in the team now. Chelsea are a much better team with Bakayoko on the bench and Drink on the pitch. 

Edited December 31, 20178 yr by Famous CFC