24 minutes ago, foxedup said:

No he didn't, where do people get this nonsense from. I see it said all the time, but only by people who would never have watched Leicester regularly. I know you want to project that Kante did it all by himself, but he didn't ok. They complimented each other brilliantly.

He was the only player whose form didn't drop off a cliff post title win. It was only from the time he picked up a hip flexor injury that his form dropped off, he was being managed through the rest of the season with it because he was still our best midfielder, even with one working leg. Hence him not being allowed to join up with England despite the call ups.

All of this doesn't matter one jolt as Leicester's not selling him for anything less than 40 million pounds and Chelsea won't pay anywhere near that amount and rightly so.

27 minutes ago, foxedup said:

No he didn't, where do people get this nonsense from. I see it said all the time, but only by people who would never have watched Leicester regularly. I know you want to project that Kante did it all by himself, but he didn't ok. They complimented each other brilliantly.

He was the only player whose form didn't drop off a cliff post title win. It was only from the time he picked up a hip flexor injury that his form dropped off, he was being managed through the rest of the season with it because he was still our best midfielder, even with one working leg. Hence him not being allowed to join up with England despite the call ups.

Nonsense? Drinkwater's pass accuracy was down, shot accuracy down, won less tackles, scored less goals, had fewer assists. To me that's a worse season and certainly doesn't justify a 40m price tag.

Either way all they have to do is stick to their 40mill value and they keep their player.

Chelsea have bid £23m for Danny Drinkwater, Leicester won't even consider it unless it's more than £30m (Sky Sports)

I don't mind him good all round player not very good at anything but can do a bit of everything but at 40 mil it's hard to justify. Sounds even more silly after  taking sh*tpence for chalobah BUT and it's a big but we have a buy back and sell on clause so it's not as bad as made out.

We value him at 20 lcfc at 40 if we panic and pay you have to ask why didn't we overpay 20 for Sandro and get a proper player instead of overpaying 20 mil for bang average. 

  

8 hours ago, Zeta said:

Conte wants an English core supposedly, but Drinkwater, Barkley, etc... would be an English bench. They are not good enough to force their way into the first team. I expect we'll panic and pay the 40m Leicester want, as they were willing to do for Oxlade, but it'll be way too much and he'll be on the bench most of the season.

Leicester won't sell Drinkwater this window and Barkley is spurs bound, I really don't why we bother, I'm afraid we aren't the draw for players we think we are, if we come head to head with another top 6 club now we miss out, at present it seems we are in the market place of wba and Stoke, with the greatest respect to them

2 hours ago, KentPaul said:

Nonsense? Drinkwater's pass accuracy was down, shot accuracy down, won less tackles, scored less goals, had fewer assists. To me that's a worse season and certainly doesn't justify a 40m price tag.

Yes it's nonsense, he did not look "lost" without Kante. It might have escaped your attention when misquoting, but I said the whole team around him was utter gubbins. You expect him to hold his stats when everyone around him are playing like relegation fodder? You might have also missed the part where I said he played half a season with a persistent injury, which also hampered him. He needed resting but we couldn't afford to.

Lets look at it another way you might understand. Kante last season for you had less key passes, less chances created, less tackles, less interceptions, less assists than he did for us. If I came on here and said "well that's because he looks lost without Drinkwater" you'd laugh, because you've seen him week in week out and you know how good he was.

£40m is expensive, but that's the price we set. You want him you pay it, you don't want him you don't. If you'd done your business early we'd probably have accepted far less. But to do any deal to replace him now, it's going to cost us a fortune and we'd have to massively overpay ourselves to get someone from another club. You've made your own issues this summer I'm afraid.

If Conte can make Sideshow Bob and a Bolton reject into world-beaters, he can make Drinkwater a titan of Football.

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Either way all they have to do is stick to their 40mill value and they keep their player.

I'm sure there is wiggle room there, but what can we get for that in this market really? You get quoted £15m for championship midfielders at the moment. Palace quote is £25m for Townsend. Bolasie and Sissoko go for £30m last summer and for one of our best players, we're meant to accept £23m.

We got Maguire for £12m rising the minute the window opened. We could probably sell him for £30m already the market has gone that nuts.

2 hours ago, JM7 said:

Chelsea have bid £23m for Danny Drinkwater, Leicester won't even consider it unless it's more than £30m (Sky Sports)

so where's £40m coming from? 

Just now, foxedup said:

I'm sure there is wiggle room there, but what can we get for that in this market really? You get quoted £15m for championship midfielders at the moment. Palace quote is £25m for Townsend. Bolasie and Sissoko go for £30m last summer and for one of our best players, we're meant to accept £23m.

We got Maguire for £12m rising the minute the window opened. We could probably sell him for £30m already the market has gone that nuts.

But for many of us we want you to keep him...he's not good enough for us...so please keep the price high so our board will look elsewhere...

Just now, doctorblue said:

But for many of us we want you to keep him...he's not good enough for us...so please keep the price high so our board will look elsewhere...

And we want to keep him because we think he is that good and massively underrated. Everyone's a winner.

3 minutes ago, foxedup said:

Yes it's nonsense, he did not look "lost" without Kante. It might have escaped your attention when misquoting, but I said the whole team around him was utter gubbins. You expect him to hold his stats when everyone around him are playing like relegation fodder? You might have also missed the part where I said he played half a season with a persistent injury, which also hampered him. He needed resting but we couldn't afford to.

Lets look at it another way you might understand. Kante last season for you had less key passes, less chances created, less tackles, less interceptions, less assists than he did for us. If I came on here and said "well that's because he looks lost without Drinkwater" you'd laugh, because you've seen him week in week out and you know how good he was.

£40m is expensive, but that's the price we set. You want him you pay it, you don't want him you don't. If you'd done your business early we'd probably have accepted far less. But to do any deal to replace him now, it's going to cost us a fortune and we'd have to massively overpay ourselves to get someone from another club. You've made your own issues this summer I'm afraid.

100% correct. We have been the architects of our own failure again this window. We probably will bring some players in , maybe not the ones we wanted and we will overpay now. 

 

4 minutes ago, foxedup said:

Yes it's nonsense, he did not look "lost" without Kante. It might have escaped your attention when misquoting, but I said the whole team around him was utter gubbins. You expect him to hold his stats when everyone around him are playing like relegation fodder? You might have also missed the part where I said he played half a season with a persistent injury, which also hampered him. He needed resting but we couldn't afford to.

Lets look at it another way you might understand. Kante last season for you had less key passes, less chances created, less tackles, less interceptions, less assists than he did for us. If I came on here and said "well that's because he looks lost without Drinkwater" you'd laugh, because you've seen him week in week out and you know how good he was.

£40m is expensive, but that's the price we set. You want him you pay it, you don't want him you don't. If you'd done your business early we'd probably have accepted far less. But to do any deal to replace him now, it's going to cost us a fortune and we'd have to massively overpay ourselves to get someone from another club. You've made your own issues this summer I'm afraid.

Fair point, but Kante won the league last year without Drinkwater, Drinkwater and Leicester were fighting relegation for much of the season. 

Can i ask, as you're a Leicester fan why are you on a Chelsea forum? 

Just now, foxedup said:

And we want to keep him because we think he is that good and massively underrated. Everyone's a winner.

He is good...playing at your level...so go enjoy...

2 hours ago, BordeauxBlue said:

Don't worry lads, we have Baba Rahman. 

Plus Alonso is awesome. Would hate to see him punted out for a non PL proven player.

 

Baba is sh*te. If Conte saw any future for him at Chelsea, he wouldn't be going out on loans. The only reason he hasn't gone on loan this time is because he's still out injured.

1 minute ago, KentPaul said:

Fair point, but Kante won the league last year without Drinkwater, Drinkwater and Leicester were fighting relegation for much of the season. 

Can i ask, as you're a Leicester fan why are you on a Chelsea forum? 

Kante was surrounded by a hugely expensive squad... Drinkwater was playing in a team that cost about £25m quid. The likes of Morgan, Huth, Simpson, Okazaki are limited footballers. For one season only our tactics worked to perfection and before people saw us coming we were ahead and ground it out... tactics can be worked out though. Far harder to stop a team full of class players.

I've been on here a while and comment when / if you are linked to one of our players, just as I did Kante last year to tell you he was fooking ace when people were moaning about his passing and shooting stats. I like to talk football and I try to be as civil as I can on other peoples boards.

i like how people laugh at this signing, but yet city are after johnny f**king evans lol. yeah the fee is slightly higher for drinkwater, but end of the day he's won the league with leicester and formed a great partnership with kante during that season. i don't think he's as sh*t as people are saying. i know i never watched leicester enough to comment, yet a leicester fan is providing a reason why he's a good player and people are ignoring him. liverpool have just bought a player who had a great season with leipzig for £63 million! leicester are asking for £30-40m for an english player who was also a key player of their title winning side 2 seasons ago. 

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6 minutes ago, charierre said:

100% correct. We have been the architects of our own failure again this window. We probably will bring some players in , maybe not the ones we wanted and we will overpay now.

I can't understand it looking from the outside in, you get into a great position, win the league and then someone there decides to hit the self destruct button. The last two seasons look like a carbon copy of the two before that. Not suggesting it will be that bad a season again, but from such a position of strength it seems odd to not take advantage of it.

8 minutes ago, doctorblue said:

He is good...playing at your level...

Yeah, so you keep saying.

1 minute ago, foxedup said:

Kante was surrounded by a hugely expensive squad... Drinkwater was playing in a team that cost about £25m quid. The likes of Morgan, Huth, Simpson, Okazaki are limited footballers. For one season only our tactics worked to perfection and before people saw us coming we were ahead and ground it out... tactics can be worked out though. Far harder to stop a team full of class players.

I've been on here a while and comment when / if you are linked to one of our players, just as I did Kante last year to tell you he was fooking ace when people were moaning about his passing and shooting stats. I like to talk football and I try to be as civil as I can on other peoples boards.

There is no doubt that Kante propped Drinkwater up massively in my opinion. But I respect your response and opinion, I just don't share it for the most part. 

As a side-note, what do you make of Mahrez? He's obviously another one I believe under-performed last year, but has looked sharp so far this season. 

2 minutes ago, foxedup said:

Yeah, so you keep saying.

Look I've been told that I must be nice to guests so with the greatest of respect please take yourself and your Drinkwater mate to where only my proctologist colleague could find you...see ya 

1 minute ago, KentPaul said:

There is no doubt that Kante propped Drinkwater up massively in my opinion. But I respect your response and opinion, I just don't share it for the most part.

All I will say further, is that when you're Leicester and your starting 11 that season cost about £20m, you cannot prop anyone up. Every single one of them performed to an outstanding level. Some of them are limited footballers and you have to protect their weaknesses. Kante did that to the likes of Morgan, Huth and Simpson as he covered so much ground. Drinkwater just isn't one of them. Kante > Mahrez > Vardy > Drinkwater > Kasper were and are the 5 who were always another level to the rest.

 

1 minute ago, KentPaul said:

As a side-note, what do you make of Mahrez? He's obviously another one I believe under-performed last year, but has looked sharp so far this season. 

He's brilliant, probably one of the most skillful players I've seen. I think in another formation he could seriously be world class, he's hampered by the 442 formation and all the defensive work he has to do. Along with having Simpson behind him, who never supports, never overlaps, can't pass. He is fairly unique now days, so many wide men are all about pace and nothing else. To have someone who can take several people out of a game with a bit of ball movement, Id have that any day of the week over a Sterling headless chicken type.

5 minutes ago, doctorblue said:

Look I've been told that I must be nice to guests so with the greatest of respect please take yourself and your Drinkwater mate to where only my proctologist colleague could find you...see ya 

Doctor... if you are an actual Doctor, couldn't you prescribe yourself something for your anger issues?

1 minute ago, foxedup said:

I can't understand it looking from the outside in, you get into a great position, win the league and then someone there decides to hit the self destruct button. The last two seasons look like a carbon copy of the two before that. Not suggesting it will be that bad a season again, but from such a position of strength it seems odd to not take advantage of it.

Its a mystery to most of us too. The additions so far have been good but haven't strengthened us. Having let so many squad players leave we're arguably weaker now than the previous season which is leaves our strategy open to scrutiny. If the intention was to integrate more youth team players,why let the ones who are closer to PL level leave? We are short of home grown players within the squad, which brings the likes of Drinkwater into focus. Is he good enough? Time will tell. Might gut feeling is, if we were to sign him, he would fall short of the required standard in the same way Scotty Parker did. A good professional that provided he is content with a bench role will do a job for us, albeit an expensive recruit for what he will ultimately bring.