18 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Arse and Burnley are irrelevant - You brought up Pochettino and Spurs as the comparator, so stick by that.  And money spent was a tiny part (if anything) of your criteria for "best manager".  There are enough internet experts in here moving their own logical goalposts to make sensible discourse impossibe.  I did't think that you were one of them, is all.

the better question is what is the club's ultimate goal ,do you get a trophy for spending little and overachieving but not winning anything or spending like City and winning the league.

look at Barca and Real(greatest clubs according to everyone) and how much they have spent in last decade, how would anyone compete with them specially in La liga

 we don't have level playing  field , the problem lies in the core  which i think needs to be fixed

Simon Phillips just tweeted:

“There may well be another tale to the Manager saga at Chelsea. Will tweet when I find out more info...

All I can say is the majority of you won’t think it’s bad news... got my best people on it, I will say more when I get the full details.”

Sounds interesting!

Edited May 10, 20188 yr by JM7

Sounds like he's just baiting to get more interest in his twitter thing.

19 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Simon Phillips just tweeted:

“There may well be another tale to the Manager saga at Chelsea. Will tweet when I find out more info...

All I can say is the majority of you won’t think it’s bad news... got my best people on it, I will say more when I get the full details.”

Sounds interesting!

Basically, he doesn't know anything. 

It's still all guess work but Conte would appear to be leaving. 

Apart from Di Marzio and a select few others, I find it hard to believe anyone else on Twitter. It's all about gaining followers, getting likes and creating conversations

This guy has just created that, he's baited people into believing he has some sort of inside information and then vaguely made some predictions. It's almost certain Conte will be leaving, anyone could have guessed that. It's also obvious we would have had some talks with Jardim, he's quite clearly on our shortlist and there were loads of reports about talking with his reps not to long ago

In regards to Sarri, in all honestly I can't see him sticking around at Napoli, he's taken them as far as he can go, he won't be given the funds to take them further, they'll likely lose some of their best players in the Summer and there's been a bit of a public falling out between him and the manager

So yeah, it's obvious Conte is leaving and it's also obvious that we'd be looking at the likes and approaching the likes of Jardim, Sarri and Tuchel

Simon Phillips a well respected journalist and it’s not a fan boy account. He’s usually pretty spot on with most things. 

From all the rumours, it seems that it’s out of Jardim and Sarri. Enrique may have priced himself out of a move. 

Sarri just gives me AVB vibes.

14 minutes ago, Stim said:

Sarri just gives me AVB vibes.

The AVB straight out of Porto would have done good with this squad. 

On 10/05/2018 at 00:46, yorkleyblue said:

Arse and Burnley are irrelevant - You brought up Pochettino and Spurs as the comparator, so stick by that.  And money spent was a tiny part (if anything) of your criteria for "best manager".  

At the risk of spelling out the absolute bloody obvious, Tottenham and Chelsea are not operating on the same financial level/resources and such comparing the two directly is misleading. But surely you are smart enough to know that already and hence my keystrokes were pointless despite what you've written, right?

5 hours ago, Qaz said:

At the risk of spelling out the absolute bloody obvious, Tottenham and Chelsea are not operating on the same financial level/resources and such comparing the two directly is misleading. But surely you are smart enough to know that already and hence my keystrokes were pointless despite what you've written, right?

Sorry, I'm not sure what the argument is here.    Are you saying that results are NOT important when measuring the abilities or otherwise of a manager?

21 hours ago, Stim said:

Sarri just gives me AVB vibes.

Why? AVB's biggest problem is that he plays a high line yet doesn't have his teams do any form of pressing/counter pressing.

One of the reasons why Guardiola presses aggressively after losing the ball is because of his high line. Due to having a high line, when they lose the ball his teams are vulnerable to a counter attacking ball over the top. To prevent this, he has his teams press as soon as they lose the ball, either winning the ball back or forcing a mistake from the player. With less time and space to execute the more difficult ball over the top, counter attacking options for opposing teams are much less frequent.

AVB does not press at all. That means teams have a lot more time and space with which they can play a ball over the top of the defensive line.

8 minutes ago, Total-Football said:

Why?

Nothing to do with play style. Just the no playing experience, and rise to household name off the back of a good season putting him in contention for the big jobs. Can he handle the pressure, can he handle our dressing room. Stuff like that. It's just vibes. I don't watch Italian football.

Anybody agree with this? 

Whoever takes charge of Chelsea next season, they will have a much tougher job than the one Antonio Conte inherited in 2016.

Barring a home defeat for Liverpool against Brighton and a win for Conte’s side at Newcastle, Chelsea will be in the Europa League next season. However, that looks far more of a foundation to build on than the one Conte faced when he took over a club that had finished 10th in the table.

The Italian, who is expected to leave the club after the FA Cup Final, had a point when claiming he achieved a miracle by leading Chelsea to the title 12 months ago. But without demeaning his achievement, the club’s rivals were not in as strong a state as now.

 

For starters, Manchester City are a different force. They have succeeded Chelsea as champions by smashing records along the way.

Manager Pep Guardiola arrived in the same summer as Conte and may have taken longer to adapt to English football but he is its master now.

City also continue to back him heavily in the transfer market. After spending over £450million on players in two years, the forthcoming window will see more high-profile signings arrive.

Runners-up Manchester United have also paid vast sums for players since Jose Mourinho joined two years ago and they will invest heavily again.

Whether or not Liverpool win the Champions League Final, they are on a steep upward curve under Jurgen Klopp and will be a very attractive proposition for Europe’s finest.

Tottenham, meanwhile, will move into their new 62,062 ground later this year. A third consecutive campaign in the Champions League should ensure they keep Harry Kane and Dele Alli and it is understood they want to make a big marquee acquisition as a signal of intent when they begin life at the revamped White Hart Lane.

And even though Arsenal are going to finish below Chelsea, they will have a new coach for the first time since 1999 and no longer be handicapped by the sideshow caused by the ‘Wenger out’ brigade. 

Of course, Chelsea can never be written off. No club has won more trophies than the Blues following Roman Abramovich’s arrival in 2003.

However, the Russian billionaire is not bankrolling them as he once did. Figures show that Chelsea’s net spend on players was less than Everton and Crystal Palace over the last four years.

Abiding by Financial Fair Play rules is a priority and the estimated £1bn bill to turn the stadium into a 60,000 all-seater by 2024 has to be financed.

Revenue streams from sponsorships are on the increase but selling talent to buy is now standard practice. Eden Hazard, N’Golo Kante and Thibaut Courtois would generate the most revenue, yet they are players Chelsea cannot afford to lose.

Europa League football also means less riches and stardust to keep key men from looking elsewhere or to convince others to move to west London.

Cesc Fabregas, Pedro, David Luiz and Gary Cahill have all moved into their 30s under Conte. Willian reaches the landmark in August and Olivier Giroud arrived as a 31-year-old in January.

Chelsea can lean on their vast array of loanees and Academy stars to fill some of the gaps but the next coach will find it hard to get them back in the top four, let alone claim top spot again.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/next-chelsea-manager-will-inherit-a-tougher-job-than-the-one-antonio-conte-faced-a3836311.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1526027867

 

Jardim would be a good choice to bring through youth, which is what we need to start doing. Sarri or Jardim would be a good choice. It's just a case of whether Roman will allow the new coach the time. 

5 hours ago, Stim said:

Nothing to do with play style. Just the no playing experience, and rise to household name off the back of a good season putting him in contention for the big jobs. Can he handle the pressure, can he handle our dressing room. Stuff like that. It's just vibes. I don't watch Italian football.

He has had three good seasons. He is a bit of a lunatic but plays offensive football  (which seems to be the main gripe our dressing room has with Conte) and can build a side on limited resources. His biggest problem is lack of rotation (Although Napoli had no depth and he acknowledged his own weakness this season when reflecting on why they lost to Florentina. Lots of top managers have no playing experience, including Jose Mourinho and Jardim. Also, his sides play the best football in Europe.

5 hours ago, enigma said:

Anybody agree with this? 

Whoever takes charge of Chelsea next season, they will have a much tougher job than the one Antonio Conte inherited in 2016.

No, not even remotely close!!!

50 minutes ago, Total-Football said:

He has had three good seasons. He is a bit of a lunatic but plays offensive football  (which seems to be the main gripe our dressing room has with Conte) and can build a side on limited resources. His biggest problem is lack of rotation (Although Napoli had no depth and he acknowledged his own weakness this season when reflecting on why they lost to Florentina. Lots of top managers have no playing experience, including Jose Mourinho and Jardim. Also, his sides play the best football in Europe.

I hope you are right, if he comes here.

15 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

Sorry, I'm not sure what the argument is here.    Are you saying that results are NOT important when measuring the abilities or otherwise of a manager?

LOL. Now i know you are taking the p*ss :P

Good one :)

You definitely had me there

On 10/05/2018 at 21:30, Argo said:

The AVB straight out of Porto would have done good with this squad. 

Sorry to continue my anti AVB thoughts in a different thread. But it is very apparent now that AVB had an exceptional squad at Porto that included peak Falcao, James Rodriguez, Hulk, Moutinho, Otamendi and others. His coaching wasn't much of a factor.

Given Simeone isn't available, I still don't think there is another manager out there better than Conte. Enrique is a disaster waiting to happen,  Sarri has won nothing and Jardim had a very talented squad last season.

Allegri has had a very talented squad and a very smart transfer strategy behind him, but he might be the next best bet. I also like Conceicao at Porto.

Personally have a good feeling about Sarri though agree his success is recent in Serie A, so care needs to be taken.

I also ask what motivates a top manager in Serie A to forsake La Dulce Vita for rainy windy England. Of course there is the temptation to pit your wits against Mourinho, Pep, Klopp and Pochettino.

For the latter the squad needs investment and we might get a manager like Poch or Wenger competing yet not winning much.

Would we settle for just CL qualification for three years while the stadium rebuild occurs?

14 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

Personally have a good feeling about Sarri though agree his success is recent in Serie A, so care needs to be taken.

I also ask what motivates a top manager in Serie A to forsake La Dulce Vita for rainy windy England. Of course there is the temptation to pit your wits against Mourinho, Pep, Klopp and Pochettino.

For the latter the squad needs investment and we might get a manager like Poch or Wenger competing yet not winning much.

Would we settle for just CL qualification for three years while the stadium rebuild occurs?

I would like a premier league title and a domestic cup or two in the next 3 years.

23 hours ago, enigma said:

Jardim would be a good choice to bring through youth, which is what we need to start doing. Sarri or Jardim would be a good choice. It's just a case of whether Roman will allow the new coach the time. 

Not just will Roman allow the new coach the time but us fans too.. I think history will repeat itself with the new coach too. 

1 hour ago, dansubrosa said:

I would like a premier league title and a domestic cup or two in the next 3 years.

Domestic cups maybe but PL? Not realistic unless we spend huge given the strength of the top 4 

Feel Sari would be risky but would have the highest reward factor. 

3 hours ago, TomCFC85 said:

Feel Sari would be risky but would have the highest reward factor. 

if that didn't work out we can move to 

 

Edited May 12, 20188 yr by theone