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Is this the end of Roman era at CFC?

abramovich
in General Chelsea FC

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47 minutes ago, enigma said:

I am not sure many would know who he is tbh. Quite impressive given he is worth so much money. Did you know who he was before reading about him? 

Not really only heard his name occasionly, barely knew anything. I definitely had no idea he was this rich til now.. I agree I don't think many would even know who he is. Reading up on him he was only worth like 6bn last year apparently.  

6 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

A Man Utd fan with a Chelsea Season ticket, if the reporting is true.

Well, David Mellor watches Chelsea and Fulham. In his younger days, Bruce Forsythe used to watch Arsenal and Spurs.

51 minutes ago, Dixon said:

Well, David Mellor watches Chelsea and Fulham. In his younger days, Bruce Forsythe used to watch Arsenal and Spurs.

Surprising, guess that was before Brucie got his bonus......

On a related point being 65 he might not want the hassle of getting to Old Trafford yet might want Chelsea to play the 'Fergie' way.

On 07/06/2018 at 23:16, Davey Baby said:

 

Corbyn's the one who's been saying don't be so quick to blame the Russians. Abramovich has had a residence here and been investing here for 15 years. The renewal of his investment visa wouldn't have caused a splash, seeing as he's almost part of the furniture. It was only when the decision was delayed (not even rejected) that it became big news. Prior to that, nothing, there was no great speculation.

Corbyn changes his tune as much as a studio guitarist. Maybe visa renewal applications aren't matters that are automatically released to the public but the second that Abramovich had had his visa renewed it would have been leaked by some do-gooder in the Home Office and all hell would have broken loose. Corbyn most certainly would jump on the bandwagon to chastise the government for deciding on international positions then caving in when someone waves a cheque under their nose or whatever. The government have been getting heavily pressured to crack down on "dodgy" Russian money for years, which has intensified tenfold since the Salford incident; Abramovich was being namechecked every other minute.

You must have been living under a rock not to see the connection. Similarly give it a few months of ostensibly squared jaws and posturing and it'll blow over. It always does.

Edited by Fatty_Speeding

    ^ Corbyn has been steadfastly consistent on sanctions for Russians since the Salford incident. There's been no changing of tune from him on that one at all. His name was the last one you should have put forward. If Abramovich were applying for a new visa, then yes, that may have attracted criticism had it been granted, but the fact is, he was applying for a renewal, and as owner of a major English football club and in the process of a huge building project, while also having a residence here for the last 15 years, it wouldn't have caused the outrage you suggest, maybe mild criticism but that would have gone away very quickly as there are much bigger stories every day. Fact is, he was already here, he had already invested his money, and lots of it, and the government could easily have batted away any criticism.

     

    Edit: It was the fact it was delayed that became the story and attracted headlines, and now it's a much bigger story than it ever would have been, and everybody will be keeping a far closer eye on it.

    Edited by Davey Baby

    48 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

    ^ Corbyn has been steadfastly consistent on sanctions for Russians since the Salford incident. There's been no changing of tune from him on that one at all. His name was the last one you should have put forward. If Abramovich were applying for a new visa, then yes, that may have attracted criticism had it been granted, but the fact is, he was applying for a renewal, and as owner of a major English football club and in the process of a huge building project, while also having a residence here for the last 15 years, it wouldn't have caused the outrage you suggest, maybe mild criticism but that would have gone away very quickly as there are much bigger stories every day. Fact is, he was already here, he had already invested his money, and lots of it, and the government could easily have batted away any criticism.

     

    Edit: It was the fact it was delayed that became the story and attracted headlines, and now it's a much bigger story than it ever would have been, and everybody will be keeping a far closer eye on it.

    Salisbury incident surely ?.

    2 hours ago, Fatty_Speeding said:

    Corbyn changes his tune as much as a studio guitarist. Maybe visa renewal applications aren't matters that are automatically released to the public but the second that Abramovich had had his visa renewed it would have been leaked by some do-gooder in the Home Office and all hell would have broken loose. Corbyn most certainly would jump on the bandwagon to chastise the government for deciding on international positions then caving in when someone waves a cheque under their nose or whatever. The government have been getting heavily pressured to crack down on "dodgy" Russian money for years, which has intensified tenfold since the Salford incident; Abramovich was being namechecked every other minute.

    You must have been living under a rock not to see the connection. Similarly give it a few months of ostensibly squared jaws and posturing and it'll blow over. It always does.

    Corbyn is the last person who would criticise Russia. I think you've got a bit confused. 

    Yes his job is to criticise the government, but his politics are consistently pro Russia. 

    1 hour ago, Davey Baby said:

    ^ Corbyn has been steadfastly consistent on sanctions for Russians since the Salford incident. There's been no changing of tune from him on that one at all. His name was the last one you should have put forward. If Abramovich were applying for a new visa, then yes, that may have attracted criticism had it been granted, but the fact is, he was applying for a renewal, and as owner of a major English football club and in the process of a huge building project, while also having a residence here for the last 15 years, it wouldn't have caused the outrage you suggest, maybe mild criticism but that would have gone away very quickly as there are much bigger stories every day. Fact is, he was already here, he had already invested his money, and lots of it, and the government could easily have batted away any criticism.

     

    Edit: It was the fact it was delayed that became the story and attracted headlines, and now it's a much bigger story than it ever would have been, and everybody will be keeping a far closer eye on it. ?

    ??

    And steadfastly inconsistent on IRA, Jews, Brexit, just about everything else. Are you one of these people who thinks he's the only politician in the world incapable of flipping on something when it suits their agenda? Bare in mind he wouldn't have to criticise what the government did but more broadly a lack of their conviction feeding into his wider attempts to portray them as indecisive and weak. I don't really know what else to say to you, you seem completely  incapable of reading the situation from the point of view of anything other than a Chelsea fan. Guess the proof wil be in the pudding of what happens next.

     

    53 minutes ago, bluehaze said:

    Salisbury incident surely ?.

    What? No, it's commonly known Jenner and Putin got into an argument the previous day at Iceland.

     

     

    43 minutes ago, Fatty_Speeding said:

    And steadfastly inconsistent on IRA, Jews, Brexit, just about everything else. Are you one of these people who thinks he's the only politician in the world incapable of flipping on something when it suits their agenda? Bare in mind he wouldn't have to criticise what the government did but more broadly a lack of their conviction feeding into his wider attempts to portray them as indecisive and weak. I don't really know what else to say to you, you seem completely  incapable of reading the situation from the point of view of anything other than a Chelsea fan. Guess the proof wil be in the pudding of what happens next.

     

    I just happen to disagree with your opinion that a renewal of his visa would have created a storm. I really can't see what that has to do with my football allegiance, nor do I think I hold that opinion because I live under a rock. Your political allegiance however seems to be swaying your viewpoint. You don't like Corbyn, great. I've neither expressed a like or dislike for him. I don't really see what it has to do with any of this. You vote for who you like, it doesn't bother me.

    Edited by Davey Baby

    41 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

     

    I just happen to disagree with your opinion that a renewal of his visa would have created a storm. I really can't see what that has to do with my football allegiance, nor do I think I hold that opinion because I live under a rock. Your political allegiance however seems to be swaying your viewpoint. You don't like Corbyn, great. I've neither expressed a like or dislike for him. I don't really see what it has to do with any of this. You vote for who you like, it doesn't bother me.

    Fair enough, probably best to forget Corbyn as he was just a throwaway reference, maybe say Labour party in general, left-leaning newspapers, international allies etc instead.

    It's as much posturing to Russia as internal also - as Boris Johnson said in the recent leaked prank call, the only thing the UK government thinks Russia responds to is determination and resolution. Giving Mr Abramovich his nice shiny new visa just because he happens to be waving a fat investment cheque around at the time doesn't exactly fit in with this.

    Anyway, agreee to disagree on the people caring thing; I think his renewal quite simply would have been splashed everywhere - anything "Russia" sells for the media at the moment - and everyone in the country would have been fully aware of how weak it had made the country look internationally. And I think people care far more about the country looking weak than the actual matter of letting Abramovich invest here itself. Therefore when the country can get away with letting him invest here again without looking weak - ie when tensions inevitably de-escalate - his visa will be renewed. The fact that you disagree just seems incomprehensible to me, so I simply have to assume it's coming from a mindset of being annoyed at the government and finding their decision not to renew Abramovich's visa in the first place as itself incomprehensible ie the bias of an irate Chelsea fan.

    NB

    Not that it's relevant but I actually hate Conservatives just as much as Corbyn so if I'm politically bias then it goes neither one way nor the other in my assessment!

    On 10/06/2018 at 02:07, Fatty_Speeding said:

    NB

    Not that it's relevant but I actually hate Conservatives just as much as Corbyn so if I'm politically bias then it goes neither one way nor the other in my assessment!

    I don't like either of them either.

    Corbyn is better on foreign policy generally yet when none of them speak about things like the  77 year old Chelsea Pensioner being sent to trial in Northern Ireland it disgusts me.

     

    Stumbled across this quote in an Evening Standard article. 

    Quote

    While the public relations machine at Chelsea may attempt to convince you otherwise, there is no disguising the fault lines in the club. The footballing empire created at Stamford Bridge by Roman Abramovich's extraordinary wealth is tearing itself apart.

    Anyone want to hazard a guess as to when it was written?

    Quote

    Chelsea chief executive Peter Kenyon...

    2007! The press have been doom mongering about us for donkeys years. Treat whatever they write with a healthy dose of skepticism.

    On 24/06/2018 at 08:30, charierre said:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/19/football/world-cup-russia-roman-abramovich-spt-intl/index.html

     

    Roman showing his generous side.

    Bloomberg names Roman Abramovich Russia's most charitable billionaire

    https://www.rbth.com/business/2013/04/29/bloomberg_names_roman_abramovich_russias_most_charitable_billionaire_25567.html

     

     

    THE TYCOON WHO DONATED HALF A BILLION DOLLARS TO JEWISH CAUSES

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/The-billionaire-who-donated-half-a-billion-dollars-to-Jewish-causes-553014

     

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