To be honest, for me, it's nothing to do with Chelsea being British, and not even the Pride of London.  It's  my club, it has been all my life, and that's all there is to it, and I can't understand a true supporter saying they would or could change allegiance.

That's part of why I get grumpy in here with other posters and their approving posts about other clubs and players.  I've said in here before that a lot of posters in here seem to be football fans who follow Chelsea, rather than Chelsea fans as such.  Nothing wrong with that at all, and a lot of them appear to be decent sorts.  We have a lot of comment about other matches on the telly or on streams, both premier League and matches abroad and that's great for people who just love football but I don't care about other teams, I don't watch other teams, and I have no interest in watching and commenting in a Chelsea forum about what some sh*te-hawk city player has done or how the Real-Barca match is playing out.  No interest at all.

21 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

To be honest, for me, it's nothing to do with Chelsea being British, and not even the Pride of London.  It's  my club, it has been all my life, and that's all there is to it, and I can't understand a true supporter saying they would or could change allegiance.

That's part of why I get grumpy in here with other posters and their approving posts about other clubs and players.  I've said in here before that a lot of posters in here seem to be football fans who follow Chelsea, rather than Chelsea fans as such.  Nothing wrong with that at all, and a lot of them appear to be decent sorts.  We have a lot of comment about other matches on the telly or on streams, both premier League and matches abroad and that's great for people who just love football but I don't care about other teams, I don't watch other teams, and I have no interest in watching and commenting in a Chelsea forum about what some sh*te-hawk city player has done or how the Real-Barca match is playing out.  No interest at all.

Well I've invoked this imagery because I believe (admittedly as a foreigner) that being British and being the Pride of London (despite its global supporter base) is what Chelsea is all about. 

By your definition, I am probably a football fan who follows Chelsea, given that I do take a passing interest in other leagues and my local team (Brisbane Roar, in the A-League). However, I consider myself to be a Chelsea devotee, someone who obsesses over this great club in a way that I never could with other clubs, even Brisbane Roar (with whom I just check the scores and maybe a few highlights). It wouldn't even cross my mind to do so.

I mean, I proudly wear my Chelsea shirts around my local neighbourhood when I go walking. That's how devoted I am. 

Nonetheless, I respect and salute your all-enduring, all-encompassing commitment and loyalty to this great club.    

4 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

I don't understand this attitude.  What the f**k is this "time to move on"??????  What the f**k is this "switch to ...." and "might get my armchair support"?????

Supporting Chelsea (or any team for that matter) ISN'T a choice, like what f**king jumper to wear or how to have your haircut.  

Saying you could even contemplate changing allegiances is the ultimate in plastic JCL w**kerness.

@Strider6003, I know you are a weird little sod, with your silly herbal remedies and space-alien conspiracy theories about how you cure cancer, but I though at least you were genuine Chels.  Seems I was totally wrong. 

I believe our league is so good because partly because of the fans.

I was supporting before RA came along I missed the success of the 70’s and saw us win the ZDS and the FA Cup. I was also there when we got hammered by Utd in ’94. I also went to Europe when Hoddle was in charge. I was also pleased when Mourinho delivered the league and later we won  the CL.

In the early days we were a side struggling to stay in the top half of the league. I recall away at Grimsby midweek in the 5^th round of the FA Cup 95/96 and it was 0-0. The match was poor and we looked like conceding and the home fans were calling us rent boys. I shouted out a comment back and the people laughed behind me and then we started singing and then the team seemed to smarten up their act and got us back to SB to take us forward to the semis.

Did we get that far as I insulted the Grimsby fans and made our lot laugh and then we started singing. Did this lift the players in the wind and rain to up their game as it meant something to our fans. I don’t know yet it is well known some players are big game players they respond to big or passionate crowds.

I like the FA Cup too and noticed Kante scored one of his rare goals to beat Utd last season another highlight was when Wigan in the third tier knocked out City who looked unbeatable at that time. Yes they were lucky one player was not sent marching yet they were stayed in the game until Will Greig got a cracking winner.

 Just don’t think with a Super League you will get that drama and connections with the fans.

Sure, certain clubs will be able to earn more revenue yet if revenue is the only thing why not suggest Roman goes on his way and we get the Unilever man in and buy Neymar, Rugani, Fekir and all the rest.

I think what makes this season so exciting is that Sarri is potentially going to coach players in a new system and bring through some of the youth and still challenge.

1 hour ago, yorkleyblue said:

Yes.  My point and concern is how can anyone contemplate NOT supporting Chelsea?

It's like me saying I don't like the way the people of this country have f**ked it up royally by voting to leave Europe so I've decided not to be English anymore, but from now on I'm going to be French.  Or Irish.  Or whatever.  It's genetic, I can't choose that and I can't choose not to be Chelsea.

if you can, I feel sorry for you.

You seem to have mixed up some things here.
If a fan sees that his club is leaving its own domestic league and joining some elite fashion show of a league - if that image wasn't what the club used to represent to the fan, he will feel detached and change his mind about the club and stop following it to a degree or totally stop caring.
A fan is not obliged to always adapt and support the club no matter what, if what a fan deems is important to his club and essential has changed, then his own affection for the club might change as well.
There are some people in London that used to be Chelsea fans but didn't visit the Bridge in 20 years, if you feel that your own identity as a person is clearly connected to Chelsea FC and if you can compare it with being from London or being English, that is your own view of things but other fans might not be as tightly connected to the club as you are so for them, there is always a choice.

For you if you say it's in your blood and it's genetic, then you won't ever change but how can you be sure that you will be able to cope with a potential scary future that might change how football works and how everything around it is built? It's not just about being a fan of a club it's how the structure of football in general could look that can make a fan miss how it used to be...

2 hours ago, DaRick said:

However, I consider myself to be a Chelsea devotee, someone who obsesses over this great club in a way that I never could with other clubs,

And I salute you, mate, having seen your posts over many a year, I can agree whole-heartedly with that.

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

You seem to have mixed up some things here.

Not mixing anything at all, mate.  

It's my club, right or wrong.  There is never a chance of "switching" to another club, or dumping the club, regardless of what decisions transient owners, board members, managers or players do.

It's really very simple.  There is Chelsea and then there is the rest, and I have no interest in the rest.  Regardless of what the club does or doesn't do.

Football is made of passion. The more football gets internationalised, the less passion will there be. It might get a little bit more convertible.

International football is interesting up to a certain level. When you exeed this level, it turns into negative territory.

It ruins the roots of any club and without those everything has to fail. After failure it will take a lot of time and efforts to come back to the present level. So where is the progress?

It wouldn´t be a win-win, but a lose-lose situation.

Maybe other sports would benefit from such a desaster as football would never make it back to the top.

Edited November 6, 20187 yr by nominator

37 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Not mixing anything at all, mate.  

It's my club, right or wrong.  There is never a chance of "switching" to another club, or dumping the club, regardless of what decisions transient owners, board members, managers or players do.

It's really very simple.  There is Chelsea and then there is the rest, and I have no interest in the rest.  Regardless of what the club does or doesn't do.

I didn't mean it like that, it's clear to me that you know where you stand and I can only respect you and hope that you have sons or daughters that can see you as a role model for your strong moral and loyalty. I was trying to say something else.

On 05/11/2018 at 12:30, yorkleyblue said:

And what exactly would be wrong with most of that?

Ah the best days of my Chelsea life 

6 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

Yes.  My point and concern is how can anyone contemplate NOT supporting Chelsea?

It's like me saying I don't like the way the people of this country have f**ked it up royally by voting to leave Europe so I've decided not to be English anymore, but from now on I'm going to be French.  Or Irish.  Or whatever.  It's genetic, I can't choose that and I can't choose not to be Chelsea.

if you can, I feel sorry for you.

That’s the way modern society works. If someone’s gender can be ‘fluid’ why not their football club? 

Its all a load of bollocks mind but you’re not allowed to say so because some social justice w**ker will get offended by it. 

One question here nobody seems to have asked; what if the players don’t want it?

With no relegation for a start would be pointless. No Champions lge, F A cup or lge cup you are cutting down games to watch. No games for fringe players or youngsters to get game time. With all the Euro political issues, would we even be able to join!

Also people talk about TV deals. How can all the games be on Saturday as they would all be top games. Also travel would be  so expensive, you would end up with corporate fan base with no atmosphere. Apart from that it will be ok!!!

I cannot see how the this European super league can compete with the Premier league for generating TV money. 

Look at this chart and you will see that the EPL gives out as much prize money as the other top leagues in Europe combined.

The amount of money the British pay for their football via the turnstiles and TV is literally the golden goose of football. 

 

I’m pretty sure the money will be even more ridiculous in Super league. Premier league gets big bucks because of all the top teams, now imagine combining the money with La Liga, series A, etc. It’ll be more than what PL get currently, easily.

35 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

I’m pretty sure the money will be even more ridiculous in Super league.

If that's the case why do SKY and BT pay far more for Premier league broadcasting rights than Champions league ? It's all down to what subscribers will pay,  in the UK the football fans pay premium subscription rates for EPL games, this is what attracted the billionaires into our clubs.

Why would English clubs give up their economic advantage over the power houses in Europe ?

13 hours ago, Munkworth said:

That’s the way modern society works. If someone’s gender can be ‘fluid’ why not their football club? 

Someone's  gender can't be "fluid"

Edited November 7, 20187 yr by yorkleyblue

18 hours ago, Strider6003 said:

I believe our league is so good because partly because of the fans.

 

I was supporting before RA came along I missed the success of the 70’s and saw us win the ZDS and the FA Cup. I was also there when we got hammered by Utd in ’94. I also went to Europe when Hoddle was in charge. I was also pleased when Mourinho delivered the league and later we won  the CL.

 

In the early days we were a side struggling to stay in the top half of the league. I recall away at Grimsby midweek in the 5^th round of the FA Cup 95/96 and it was 0-0. The match was poor and we looked like conceding and the home fans were calling us rent boys. I shouted out a comment back and the people laughed behind me and then we started singing and then the team seemed to smarten up their act and got us back to SB to take us forward to the semis.

 

Did we get that far as I insulted the Grimsby fans and made our lot laugh and then we started singing. Did this lift the players in the wind and rain to up their game as it meant something to our fans. I don’t know yet it is well known some players are big game players they respond to big or passionate crowds.

 

I like the FA Cup too and noticed Kante scored one of his rare goals to beat Utd last season another highlight was when Wigan in the third tier knocked out City who looked unbeatable at that time. Yes they were lucky one player was not sent marching yet they were stayed in the game until Will Greig got a cracking winner.

 

 Just don’t think with a Super League you will get that drama and connections with the fans.

 

Sure, certain clubs will be able to earn more revenue yet if revenue is the only thing why not suggest Roman goes on his way and we get the Unilever man in and buy Neymar, Rugani, Fekir and all the rest.

 

I think what makes this season so exciting is that Sarri is potentially going to coach players in a new system and bring through some of the youth and still challenge.

So you have all that history with the club and you say you would give it up and change allegiance to another club?  You have to ask yourself what you gave up all those years for.

UEFA president Aleksander Ceferin has said any breakaway European Super League would be 'damaging' for the game globally.

6 minutes ago, nguyenvan1982 said:

UEFA president Aleksander Ceferin has said any breakaway European Super League would be 'damaging' for the game globally.

He means it would be “ damaging “ for UEFA. Echoing previous comments, it would be a boon for half and half scarf peddlers, ticket touts and hoteliers, and sh*te for proper fans IMO.

Then again top clubs aren’t really fussed what their fans think. Rather than do what we want, they get us to do what they want ( a bit like politicians)

If the match going supporters aren’t happy, no bother. This gives them an opportunity to “ import” new, spend more dough in the club shop fans.

Money, money, money......

 

 

2 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

So you have all that history with the club and you say you would give it up and change allegiance to another club?  You have to ask yourself what you gave up all those years for.

If RA decided tomorrow to move Stamford Bridge to North London. Would you continue to support Chelsea? 

I'm just saying, because for me ripping the soul out of Chelsea means either moving the club physically or moving the club emotionally (exiting all the competitions and focusing on a global fan base not a local one). 

Imagine never playing Tottenham again. Or Fulham. Or in the FA Cup. Or watching us develop young talent in the minor cups. I would very much ask myself what I gave up all these years for.

3 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

So you have all that history with the club and you say you would give it up and change allegiance to another club?  You have to ask yourself what you gave up all those years for.

Only if Chelsea stops being a London side and becomes purely an global/ international side.

I respect Coco providing the figures yet in India and China alone you have a potential viewing public of 4bn, I think that would sway most financial backers though of course the complications of winning a slice of that market would be tricky.

1 hour ago, benjsross said:

If RA decided tomorrow to move Stamford Bridge to North London. Would you continue to support Chelsea? 

I'm just saying, because for me ripping the soul out of Chelsea means either moving the club physically or moving the club emotionally (exiting all the competitions and focusing on a global fan base not a local one). 

Imagine never playing Tottenham again. Or Fulham. Or in the FA Cup. Or watching us develop young talent in the minor cups. I would very much ask myself what I gave up all these years for.

Like we do that anyway looool

4 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

Someone's  gender can't be "fluid"

I know, you know and they probably know but you’re not allowed to say it in case they get upset...

1 hour ago, benjsross said:

If RA decided tomorrow to move Stamford Bridge to North London. Would you continue to support Chelsea? 

I'm just saying, because for me ripping the soul out of Chelsea means either moving the club physically or moving the club emotionally (exiting all the competitions and focusing on a global fan base not a local one). 

Imagine never playing Tottenham again. Or Fulham. Or in the FA Cup. Or watching us develop young talent in the minor cups. I would very much ask myself what I gave up all these years for.

I'm not sure how much clearer I can make it. Yes, Chelsea is my club.  It doesn't really matter to me where we play, though staying at the Bridge would be great, or who we play.  If either Spuds or us got relegated, we wouldn't play them.  That surely doesn't mean you'd stop supporting us.  Never cared about Fulham anyway.  If I ended up standing all alone on an empty Shed, so be it, it's my club.

I truly cannot conceive of the mentality that says "I can change my allegiance, because I have gone off that club, so I'll be a fan of sh*tsville United or something".

48 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

Only if Chelsea stops being a London side and becomes purely an global/ international side.

Then that falls into the WTF sort of supporter are you?  You gave a long list of all the headline events of the past that you attended, and then say you would f**k off and support another team unless Chelsea conform to exactly what you think the club should  be.   "If you don't do exactly what I want, I'm never going to speak to you again and I'm going to find a new best friend, so there."

 

Anyway, I'm going to leave it at that.  I personally don't think this super-league will ever happen, but, if it does, I'll still be here.  All of you who feel you won't can slither off to Fulham or QPR or the Pikies, and go join your new forum, and enjoy your new club until they upset you about something, then you can choose another club.  It will all be wonderful.

4 hours ago, benjsross said:

If RA decided tomorrow to move Stamford Bridge to North London. Would you continue to support Chelsea? 

I'm just saying, because for me ripping the soul out of Chelsea means either moving the club physically or moving the club emotionally (exiting all the competitions and focusing on a global fan base not a local one). 

Imagine never playing Tottenham again. Or Fulham. Or in the FA Cup. Or watching us develop young talent in the minor cups. I would very much ask myself what I gave up all these years for.

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