6 minutes ago, Lord said:

It is ironic, injury or whatever, Hazard hasn’t been the same player, ever since Sarri said Hazard is almost as good as Messi in one of his press conferences. (can’t recall it verbatim)

 

Hazard got injured, it killed his momentum. That is the main reason why he has dropped off a bit.

1 minute ago, GarfyB said:

Hazard picks the team, organises training, etc, Sarri is just a puppet.  And this comes from a current member of the squad.

So you joined this forum for banter ?

Let's don't downplay this defeat, Spurs have shown us out current level and the gaps we have in the team. If we can get a top 4 finish and back Sarri in the summer to bring in new players, then maybe in the next 2 years we can fight for the title again. I can see now what Napoli fans meant when they said Sarri only has plan A. A changebof tactics and formation is needed when younplay top teams. Reality for umis we habe looked weak against top 10 teams

 

12 minutes ago, dan_cfc said:

Sarri needs to sort out a plan for when Jorginho is pressed we look completely lost when he doesn't get time on the ball.

And so does Jorginho.
Either we have the ball or he's a liability. Defensivly he doesn't have any qualities.

Just now, Theafonis said:

So you joined this forum for banter ?

Nope, been a member since 2012.  I read, but don't post.  I'm not going to tell who the squad member is, but that info did come from a current squad member.  I'm not bothered if you don't believe me, unless you want a wager on it?

3 minutes ago, Giordano_Bruno said:

We are awful without the ball all season long. this is not plan B, this is within the plan A, no matter if it's working on not. 

Kepa needs to put his act together. In football 2 or 3 saves do not justify 2 silly conceded goals. this is not the first time this season he screwed up. I don't care about the saves, he was the main reason to lose this game. Yes, we played terribly and we would probably lose again some other way, but  that doesn't matter now. 

Sorry, what? You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but Kepa? How. We literally had no defence tonight at all. Even Rudi couldn't complete a pass, header or clearance at the end. This was liek shooting fish ina barrell for Kepa. There are a lot more taht should have their heads down before Kepa, in my opinion.

Isn’t the Jorginho issue more a case of other teammates not giving him options? Can remember Pirlo having the same issue for a while with the Italian team. Having De Rossi next to him with the Azzuri, and Seedorf with Milan solved the issue. All the opposition is doing to nullify him at present is closing the passing lanes.

Imagine of Hitler was a Chels today lol.........

7 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Terrible performance, the worst of the season. Similar to the last time we played them, they wanted it far more than us and that shouldn't be acceptable. Losing to Tottenham twice in a row is bad enough, but to lose like that on both occasions is a joke.

Sarri has us playing football that is easier on the eye, but the weaknesses are steadily starting to be exposed. We are dropping points more frequently now and the performances have dropped all over the team. People can say unbeaten until today all they like, but the fixture list has been kind to us and we had all of our toughest games until today at home, and we only got one win. If this is what it's going to be like away from home against teams that have the ability to hurt us then we are in trouble. 

Good points, again Scott

1 minute ago, ducavis said:

Isn’t the Jorginho issue more a case of other teammates not giving him options? Can remember Pirlo having the same issue for a while with the Italian team. Having De Rossi next to him with the Azzuri, and Seedorf with Milan solved the issue. All the opposition is doing to nullify him at present is closing the passing lanes.

Said to my Old Man at half time, if he’s being man marked, why not rotate roles with Kante, even if it’s just for ten minutes? 

He was completely marked out of the game but we seemed to do nothing to try and resolve that?

Pep got spanked by Everton away 4 people need to calm down these losses happen and I am absolutely sure Sarri will learn more from this than if he would of won today. Everyone need to take a step back and realise where we were last season compared to this season.

Our worst performance since the beginning of the season. Our way of football hasn't shown up today, we looked too heavy and slow, we let Spur's players passing us too easily, the best example is Son's goal.

We have a lot to learn from this game and improve it in the next game, we went down but we still have a long season to play and have all the teams to play. That loss should've come somewhere, sadly it has arrived at the derby, but we don't need to panic. It's Sarri's first season and he told us, it will take him some time to build a proper team. I believe he learnt from his mistake today, plan B is necessarily needed in these games. We need better players as well. 

Let's focus on the next game, create a good run again. COME ON CHELS!!!!

Not reading the meltdowns and Im sure theres a lot. So what if they beat us, its not even December.

We are moving in the right direction.

We might lack 1 or 2 players and a leader but that cant be fixed now.

Keep the faith with the manager.

4 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Isn’t the Jorginho issue more a case of other teammates not giving him options? Can remember Pirlo having the same issue for a while with the Italian team. Having De Rossi next to him with the Azzuri, and Seedorf with Milan solved the issue. All the opposition is doing to nullify him at present is closing the passing lanes.

Yes, but if he is the pivot he has to find the solutions, even if its his own position. Alli was man marking him. So either take Alli out to another area or swap with kante and let kante bully man mark him out of the game. The Jorginho finds space futher up the pitch. Witht he intencity of the shuttign down how many forward passes did Jorginho make today. If anything a lot of the moves broke down here due to the pressing that he got

Why take off Morata, the player most in form scoring wise, to play with no recognised striker, when needing 3 goals, for fifteen minutes to then revert back to the same system again when bringing Giroud on?

The general lack of width and players attacking the box needs addressing. We’ve started to look far too narrow and predictable in possession. 

7 minutes ago, Brutos said:

Pep got spanked by Everton away 4 people need to calm down these losses happen and I am absolutely sure Sarri will learn more from this than if he would of won today. Everyone need to take a step back and realise where we were last season compared to this season.

In no way or shape comparable.........he got to spend 250M on defence alone, on top what he had and he got afterwards.........you see us do that? And please dont use last season as a benchmark........

Edited November 24, 20187 yr by atomis

Kante is useless in Sarri's system. Jorginho needs to realize he's not in Seria A anymore and no one gives you time on the ball in PL. The whole team struggles to get out of their own half when pressed, it was embarrassing to watch tonight. 

Looking at how poor our backline is almost makes me miss Conte's days, at least his first season. 3-5-2 looked a much safer system for the players we've got at hand. Now whenever we face serious opposition we look like conceding every time they attack. I don't think it's a coincidence.

I like the fact that we're trying to play a more positive type of football under Sarri and I realize it's much harder to implement than the 'defence first' style that Mourinho or Conte normally use. It'll take time for the players to adapt, there'll be ups and downs, like in any learning process. Hopefully he'll be given time and money to mould the team but Sarri also needs to learn some valuable lessons along the way.

Edited November 24, 20187 yr by abramovich

3 minutes ago, DP2 said:

Not reading the meltdowns and Im sure theres a lot. So what if they beat us, its not even December.

We are moving in the right direction.

We might lack 1 or 2 players and a leader but that cant be fixed now.

Keep the faith with the manager.

Agreed but you can't just shrug off defeat to Tottenham, it's a pivotal part of our psyche as a club. Fking up against Everton, playing poorly and not breaking them down, then yes, agreed, we are stil headign in teh right direction. But this defeat and teh manner needs a period of introspection and remedial action taken in smeoem areas. There has to be responsibility and accountability by the players for their performances upon occasion

7 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Said to my Old Man at half time, if he’s being man marked, why not rotate roles with Kante, even if it’s just for ten minutes? 

He was completely marked out of the game but we seemed to do nothing to try and resolve that?

He has to be at the base of the system, as he is the building block. Won’t work with him further up the pitch. It is clearly a personnel issue Sarri has to rectify in the coming window. Ideally when he has the ball, players are meant to make themselves available for a pass. Won’t work if players are not constantly on the move.

the difference between us, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool is that we have winners in the team, when it comes to the crunch we'll be ok - keep the faith (and buy a striker in January)

I hope Sarri learns from all this..........I hope he gives them all an ass whooping for such an embarrassing display. And he must mention the refs.......f**k fa and their fines......whats fair is fair.

1 minute ago, ducavis said:

He has to be at the base of the system, as he is the building block. Won’t work with him further up the pitch. It is clearly a personnel issue Sarri has to rectify in the coming window. Ideally when he has the ball, players are meant to make themselves available for a pass. Won’t work if players are not constantly on the move.

But in our league every player has to be able to play with an without the ball. If you can't play when we are out of possession then there will be problems. I'm not saying Jorginho is the only problem but we will not mount a challenge if we are not aggressive, disciplined and structured when not in possession. And building block or not he is a liability defensively.

3 minutes ago, abramovich said:

Kante is useless in Sarri's system. Jorginho needs to realize he's not in Seria A anymore and no one gives you time on the ball in PL. The whole team struggles to get out of their own half when pressed, it was embarrassing to watch tonight. 

Looking at how poor our backline is it almost makes me miss Conte's days, at least his first season. 3-5-2 looked is a much safer system for the players we've got at hand. Now every time we face serious opposition we look like conceding every time they attack. I don't think it's a coincidence.

I like the fact that we're trying to play a more positive type of football under Sarri and I realize it's much harder to implement than the 'defence first' style that Mourinho or Conte normally use. It'll take time for the players to adapt, there'll be ups and downs, like in any learning process. Hopefully he'll be given time and money to mould the team but Sarri also needs to learn some valuable lessons along the way.

Nailed it with the first statement, I disagree with the criticism of Jorginho though. Kante for me is the biggest problem in that midfield, and it will be interesting to see how Sarri fixes the issue long term. I have seen the Allan comparison floated around, but he is so far off Allan as a player. Stick your Eriksen or Isco next to Kovacic & Jorginho, and instantly we look a different side. For all his criticism Pep wanted Jorginho, and he would have played him next to Silva & De Bruyne which is very scary.

2 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Nailed it with the first statement, I disagree with the criticism of Jorginho though. Kante for me is the biggest problem in that midfield, and it will be interesting to see how Sarri fixes the issue long term. I have seen the Allan comparison floated around, but he is so far off Allan as a player. Stick your Eriksen or Isco next to Kovacic & Jorginho, and instantly we look a different side. For all his criticism Pep wanted Jorginho, and he would have played him next to Silva & De Bruyne which is very scary.

In the grander scheme of things you may have a point regarding Kante's best posiiton. But today, and this just my opinion, Kante looked like the only player in our entire team capale of winning the ball by tackling. Not shepherding, not trying to nick it, not "standign tehm up", i mean actually good old manly tackling the ball.

The only ray of light on this god fking awful evening is that i thank god we had N'Golo Kante on the pitch and that he just signed a contract entension.

Sarri: 'I knew very well we had a lot of problems to solve, and today it was clear for everybody to see.' The manager adds our approach to the start of the game was again an issue for his side. (from the club Twitter feed)