8 hours ago, KonaKai Blue said:

Carragher can go F himself. If it was Liverpool or Utd doing this he would separate the owners criticism from the club.  With us he's trying to bring the whole club down saying we "are not a proper club". W##%^er

The club should bar the f**ker from the ground. Let Sky in to do our matches but say "that c**t can't come in, he's barred"

Carragher couldn't find Kyiv on a map but you just know he was salivating when those sanctions were announced. 

However...if we're being honest, his criticisms are all things you'd find said by our fans in this very thread. 

Ok, understood guys.

I'm going to Google if they released the charges like they did for man city. They posted what each of the 115 charges were. Did they release Chelsea's as what i read was ours will be "judged" before man city. I'll look/google for Chelsea's unless someone has a link to hand pls. Cheers in advance.

But covering all the bases and trying to make sense why they would do something as stupid as that.

I'm sorry Ax but doing it to spite Roman is a hard pill to swallow for me bud. Not saying its not the reason but its really hard to believe that and even more of a fk up if it is!

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

By all accounts yes, pretty sure. Can I be 100% sure? No, only those involved can be. 

It is what has been widely reported, including many speculating the owners did so expecting a smaller punishment for coming forward with the issues, and not trying to hide them.

If you did deep enough though I doubt any of the top level clubs are 100% clean.

Ok, here's another, but bear with me pls mate...

In rgds to digging...if someone down the line did make a complaint or a mishap of a hack/email leak (not something as big as the Cyprus leaks, but a misplaced email for example) or anything which then would require the PL to inquire/investigate. Would it then be easy for the PL to find any of that dodgy sh*t with some digging around?

Basically is it easy to find on the surface without much digging? Whatever it/they are (discrepancies and whatever).

 

3 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

There is no way that the PL could have known about, or discovered the alleged breaches, as they were uncovered by examination of strict commercial-in-confidence documents. The 'Cyprus Leaks' (as reported by The Guardian) refer to transactions that pre-date PSR (and even FFP) and include speculative payments made to Chelsea executives that would not be within the remit of PSR/FFP anyway. The only one that was obviously football-related was a payment to Hazard's agent for 'advisory services' which one could speculate was in fact a payment/inducement for Hazard's transfer or contract renewals.

Ok, so the cypres leaks had the info that could have "eventually" lead to the charges against Chelsea.

All the pre psr/ffp stuff is just mehh, only fans from other clubs and media will be annoyed about it and rub it in but it doesn't go against PL rules right?

So it's only the hazard stuff and I read a few managers got paid by a third company too or something like that (no idea why thats not allowed pre psr/ffp btw). I can't remember tbh, I haven't kept up since they initially said we were officially being looked into. 

I really need to read the charges. cheers mate.

 

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Which again raises the question of why the owners did it? What could they have to gain?

Only answer that makes sense, based on further actions taken, was to drag Roman's name through the mud.

Honestly believe "IF" ALL or SOME of the discrepancies were in the Cyprus files then they needed to get ahead of the situation and come out with it before the PL done it themselves after seeing the leaks. Especially if the discrepancies/charges are easy to find.

The PL hates us anyway...they could easily make up an excuse to search the books right? 

I just find it really hard to believe they would own up to it/snitch on themselves if they didn't have to or aren't worried about repercussions down the line if they don't. They can't be that stupid...for the love of God, i really mean it, they can't be that stupid. Lol

Edited August 21, 20241 yr by Simplymo

10 hours ago, KonaKai Blue said:

Carragher can go F himself. If it was Liverpool or Utd doing this he would separate the owners criticism from the club.  With us he's trying to bring the whole club down saying we "are not a proper club". W##%^er

Yeah, the proper club comment got my back up. The w**ker has always hated us.

But that said, a lot of the other stuff said by him and Neville was hard to argue with. Under this current regime, we are a car-crash of a club making unfathomable decisions and making a lot of long standing CFC supporters feel very detached from the club they have always loved.

 

37 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Yeah, the proper club comment got my back up. The w**ker has always hated us.

But that said, a lot of the other stuff said by him and Neville was hard to argue with. Under this current regime, we are a car-crash of a club making unfathomable decisions and making a lot of long standing CFC supporters feel very detached from the club they have always loved.

 

Liverpool fans have never forgiven Sterling for leaving them to join Manchester City, so they are all now licking their lips at the opportunity to pile in on him, with the added bonus of piling in on us as well.

The comments sections of the various newspaper articles about this story have been heaving with indignant Scousers throwing in their 1p LOL

On the back of Gallagher being pushed out the club. We've got chlorinated chicken trump sticks running the place and I want them gone. 

7 hours ago, Simplymo said:

Ok, understood guys.

I'm going to Google if they released the charges like they did for man city. They posted what each of the 115 charges were. Did they release Chelsea's as what i read was ours will be "judged" before man city. I'll look/google for Chelsea's unless someone has a link to hand pls. Cheers in advance.

But covering all the bases and trying to make sense why they would do something as stupid as that.

I'm sorry Ax but doing it to spite Roman is a hard pill to swallow for me bud. Not saying its not the reason but its really hard to believe that and even more of a fk up if it is!

Ok, here's another, but bear with me pls mate...

In rgds to digging...if someone down the line did make a complaint or a mishap of a hack/email leak (not something as big as the Cyprus leaks, but a misplaced email for example) or anything which then would require the PL to inquire/investigate. Would it then be easy for the PL to find any of that dodgy sh*t with some digging around?

Basically is it easy to find on the surface without much digging? Whatever it/they are (discrepancies and whatever).

 

Ok, so the cypres leaks had the info that could have "eventually" lead to the charges against Chelsea.

All the pre psr/ffp stuff is just mehh, only fans from other clubs and media will be annoyed about it and rub it in but it doesn't go against PL rules right?

So it's only the hazard stuff and I read a few managers got paid by a third company too or something like that (no idea why thats not allowed pre psr/ffp btw). I can't remember tbh, I haven't kept up since they initially said we were officially being looked into. 

I really need to read the charges. cheers mate.

 

Honestly believe "IF" ALL or SOME of the discrepancies were in the Cyprus files then they needed to get ahead of the situation and come out with it before the PL done it themselves after seeing the leaks. Especially if the discrepancies/charges are easy to find.

The PL hates us anyway...they could easily make up an excuse to search the books right? 

I just find it really hard to believe they would own up to it/snitch on themselves if they didn't have to or aren't worried about repercussions down the line if they don't. They can't be that stupid...for the love of God, i really mean it, they can't be that stupid. Lol

 

c**ts the lot of them. 

I saw a piece saying we have nearly 200 years of player contracts on our books now - 198 to be precise.

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3 minutes ago, Blue Exile said:

I saw a piece saying we have nearly 200 years of player contracts on our books now - 198 to be precise.

Its media reusing already known info to just continue the agenda.

If you ask any, non chelsea supporting, football fan about whats going on at Cheslea the two things that they would know are we have loads of players and we have long contracts. Its been used and used and used all summer. Getting bored of it? Well, heres a stat, Chelsea have got 200 years of player contracts on their books (shh say it quietly but its just adding up all the loads of players with their long contracts).

When has the cumulative number of contract years on books ever been used as a comparison for any club ever before? 

I get that we've been seen as badly ran since the takeover but the agenda is wild. 

42 minutes ago, Niall1905 said:

Its media reusing already known info to just continue the agenda.

If you ask any, non chelsea supporting, football fan about whats going on at Cheslea the two things that they would know are we have loads of players and we have long contracts. Its been used and used and used all summer. Getting bored of it? Well, heres a stat, Chelsea have got 200 years of player contracts on their books (shh say it quietly but its just adding up all the loads of players with their long contracts).

When has the cumulative number of contract years on books ever been used as a comparison for any club ever before? 

I get that we've been seen as badly ran since the takeover but the agenda is wild. 

So you don’t feel the club is being run badly at the moment? Genuine question. 
 

This business model isn’t sustainable and also carries risk that these young players don’t develop and the club is stuck with them and their long contracts. 
 

Surely the club should have focussed on sales more in the last 12 months before another gigantic transfer window. 
 

The coach has come out and said that 15-20 of the players aren’t even involved with his training sessions. 

Edited August 21, 20241 yr by Blue Exile

58 minutes ago, Blue Exile said:

I saw a piece saying we have nearly 200 years of player contracts on our books now - 198 to be precise.

Whoopy f**king doo we’re on the right path. 

1 minute ago, Blue Exile said:

So you don’t feel the club is being run badly at the moment? Genuine question. 
 

This business model isn’t sustainable and also carries risk that these young players don’t develop and the club is stuck with them and their long contracts. 
 

Surely the club should have focussed on sales more in the last 12 months before another gigantic transfer window. 
 

The coach has come out and said that 15-20 of the players aren’t even involved with his training sessions. 

Honest answer? I don't have enough of a clue about business or running a football club to know for sure. 

I think the level of transfer activity is unsustainable and the over expoloitation of the 'pure profit' players is concerning. 

But I am also aware that times change, that the way the things were done 5, 10, 20 years ago aren't necessarily the way things are done now. PSR is fairly new, clubs are still finding ways to operate within it. Only this summer we saw the first wave of 'psr deadline' duff deals being done between ourselves, villa and a few others to navigate PSR. 

Does the way the Blue Co operate fit with how I think a football club should be ran, based on what I have seen from football since I was a child? No. 

But take a look at the enviornment around us, Brighton for instance. Painted by fans and the media as a prime example of how a business should be run. They have invested heavily this summer in young players (albeit without the long contracts). Who says that over the next few years we don't see other teams begin to adopt this policy?

So business wise, until we have categoric proof that it hasn't worked, I refuse to cast judgement on it. Football wise, its a similar boat. First season was awful, second season not much better but we finished 6th. Lets see where we go this year. 

But to circle back on my issue from my orginal post, my main gripe is the overuse of the critisism against us. You'd think we were the only club in Europe with problems. Funny how Neville and Co gloss over Uniteds failing projects with Ten Haag, which based on their opening day performace is exactly where it was when he took over, despite hundreds of millions of investment. I'm not against people critisising the club. Im against the manipluation of the same facts and the same stories, over and over and over again.

11 minutes ago, Niall1905 said:

Honest answer? I don't have enough of a clue about business or running a football club to know for sure. 

I think the level of transfer activity is unsustainable and the over expoloitation of the 'pure profit' players is concerning. 

But I am also aware that times change, that the way the things were done 5, 10, 20 years ago aren't necessarily the way things are done now. PSR is fairly new, clubs are still finding ways to operate within it. Only this summer we saw the first wave of 'psr deadline' duff deals being done between ourselves, villa and a few others to navigate PSR. 

Does the way the Blue Co operate fit with how I think a football club should be ran, based on what I have seen from football since I was a child? No. 

But take a look at the enviornment around us, Brighton for instance. Painted by fans and the media as a prime example of how a business should be run. They have invested heavily this summer in young players (albeit without the long contracts). Who says that over the next few years we don't see other teams begin to adopt this policy?

So business wise, until we have categoric proof that it hasn't worked, I refuse to cast judgement on it. Football wise, its a similar boat. First season was awful, second season not much better but we finished 6th. Lets see where we go this year. 

But to circle back on my issue from my orginal post, my main gripe is the overuse of the critisism against us. You'd think we were the only club in Europe with problems. Funny how Neville and Co gloss over Uniteds failing projects with Ten Haag, which based on their opening day performace is exactly where it was when he took over, despite hundreds of millions of investment. I'm not against people critisising the club. Im against the manipluation of the same facts and the same stories, over and over and over again.

I often like to believe that there's a business plan smarter than any of us. 

And then I remember that we still don't have a front of shirt sponsor. 

25 minutes ago, Blue Exile said:

So you don’t feel the club is being run badly at the moment? Genuine question. 
 

This business model isn’t sustainable and also carries risk that these young players don’t develop and the club is stuck with them and their long contracts. 
 

Surely the club should have focussed on sales more in the last 12 months before another gigantic transfer window. 
 

The coach has come out and said that 15-20 of the players aren’t even involved with his training sessions. 

Agreed. The current situation also undermines the manager's position when he is trying to establish himself at the club. He is now distracted by having to manage 2 first team squads, knowing that a decent number need to be moved on in the next couple of weeks. It is a total mess and was all fully avoidable.

18 minutes ago, Niall1905 said:

Honest answer? I don't have enough of a clue about business or running a football club to know for sure. 

I think the level of transfer activity is unsustainable and the over expoloitation of the 'pure profit' players is concerning. 

But I am also aware that times change, that the way the things were done 5, 10, 20 years ago aren't necessarily the way things are done now. PSR is fairly new, clubs are still finding ways to operate within it. Only this summer we saw the first wave of 'psr deadline' duff deals being done between ourselves, villa and a few others to navigate PSR. 

Does the way the Blue Co operate fit with how I think a football club should be ran, based on what I have seen from football since I was a child? No. 

But take a look at the enviornment around us, Brighton for instance. Painted by fans and the media as a prime example of how a business should be run. They have invested heavily this summer in young players (albeit without the long contracts). Who says that over the next few years we don't see other teams begin to adopt this policy?

So business wise, until we have categoric proof that it hasn't worked, I refuse to cast judgement on it. Football wise, its a similar boat. First season was awful, second season not much better but we finished 6th. Lets see where we go this year. 

But to circle back on my issue from my orginal post, my main gripe is the overuse of the critisism against us. You'd think we were the only club in Europe with problems. Funny how Neville and Co gloss over Uniteds failing projects with Ten Haag, which based on their opening day performace is exactly where it was when he took over, despite hundreds of millions of investment. I'm not against people critisising the club. Im against the manipluation of the same facts and the same stories, over and over and over again.

United definitely have issues and some comparisons can be drawn between the way the Glazers destroyed the club over the last decade and the initial impact from our owners. But even the Glazers never managed to create the sort of chaos we are seeing now. 

The way Chelsea is being managed by these owners is frightening. I really fear for the worst. Maybe it'll all turn good and there will be huge success on the pitch but at the moment I feel it's like a runaway train hurtling towards disaster. 

I should be clear: I really don't give a single sh*t what a suited-up, barely literate, over-salivated chimp like Carragher thinks.

A transfer ban is a good thing. It means that the worthless lackwits in charge of the club have fewer decisions to make; if we are lucky it will extend for the entirety of their cursed reign. Maybe we'll be forced into using our academy, which produces players superior to the f**king expensive idiots we keep signing.

 

This new era we’re in now, where we have relationships with clubs on a basis of offloading adds somewhat of a safety net, Aston Villa, Atletico Madrid deals show where the game is heading ‘scratch our back, we’ll scratch yours’, at least with clubs towing the lines of FFP. Granted, deals we’ve seen so far are for homegrown profit but nonetheless, same principle. 

Reevaluate the number of years remaining on contracts once the transfer window has closed. I expect this to reduce. 

It will still be elevated relative to other clubs due to average length of contracts. But then overlay average wage on top and see how it then looks. 

Can spin the data to any story they need. Chelsea are doing things differently (and not suggesting I agree), but the reporting is drive by at best. 

And it’s sport. If we start winning no one will be talking about it. Problem is to start winning is quite the challenge right now! 

15 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I often like to believe that there's a business plan smarter than any of us. 

And then I remember that we still don't have a front of shirt sponsor. 

Mind you, you wouldn't be able to a see a name anyway on the front of that monstrosity of a shirt.

15 hours ago, forbzy said:

Agreed. The current situation also undermines the manager's position when he is trying to establish himself at the club. He is now distracted by having to manage 2 first team squads, knowing that a decent number need to be moved on in the next couple of weeks. It is a total mess and was all fully avoidable.

And deal with a barrage of media negativity and loaded questions.It seems that nobody has yet asked him a footballing question about this upcoming match

15 hours ago, forbzy said:

United definitely have issues and some comparisons can be drawn between the way the Glazers destroyed the club over the last decade and the initial impact from our owners. But even the Glazers never managed to create the sort of chaos we are seeing now. 

Yes, we need to employ the PR merchants that perpetually hoodwink the world over the corrupt and bankrupt w*nk3rs at Barcelona.  How they can openly carry on corrupt business practices inventing new, spurious ways to save themselves, how they can openly abuse their players to force them out, including happily having ultra fans protesting against players, how they can get away, again openly reported, by not paying players at times and not even being able to register them sometimes, and yet every footballer professes these muppets to be their dream club, is a feat of outstanding gall that make the idiots that we have in charge look like amateurs at it.

11 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

I should be clear: I really don't give a single sh*t what a suited-up, barely literate, over-salivated chimp like Carragher thinks.

A transfer ban is a good thing. It means that the worthless lackwits in charge of the club have fewer decisions to make; if we are lucky it will extend for the entirety of their cursed reign. Maybe we'll be forced into using our academy, which produces players superior to the f**king expensive idiots we keep signing.

 

I agree on Carragher. Never ever listen what they have to say about Chelsea. They have no idea what they are talking about nor are they interested about our club the slightest. Only if we seem to be in trouble they open their mouths. 

In terms of the owners you are jumping the gun.

In terms of the academy we are still one of the best academies in the world. We are buying the top talent from age groups around the world. Such as is Palmer and Madueke for example. Estevao is one of them. Joonsup-Bell is just sold to somewhere from Tottenham and will probably end up in League One. He wasn't top of his age group in the world.

Andrey Santos and Casadei are. Santos hopefully hits through in France and we are probably going to make profit over Casadei if he wants to move on. 

Our academy is not solely to produce players to the side we are fans of. Like it or not. 

45 minutes ago, evissy said:

I agree on Carragher. Never ever listen what they have to say about Chelsea. They have no idea what they are talking about nor are they interested about our club the slightest. Only if we seem to be in trouble they open their mouths. 

In terms of the owners you are jumping the gun.

In terms of the academy we are still one of the best academies in the world. We are buying the top talent from age groups around the world. Such as is Palmer and Madueke for example. Estevao is one of them. Joonsup-Bell is just sold to somewhere from Tottenham and will probably end up in League One. He wasn't top of his age group in the world.

Andrey Santos and Casadei are. Santos hopefully hits through in France and we are probably going to make profit over Casadei if he wants to move on. 

Our academy is not solely to produce players to the side we are fans of. Like it or not. 

I get the point you are trying to make here, but none of the players that you have referenced have anything to do with our academy.

What would be relevant, but gets scant media attention, is that despite the over bloated squad and the clubs current transfer strategy, and of course the ongoing media and punditry narrative Sam Rak-Sakyi from the Chelsea academy has just extended his stay by signing on for a further two years. Clearly the lad is happy to get changed anywhere...that has a Chelsea badge on it, Carragher, you feeble minded tw@t