2 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

so we will pay 50 million for him to play for 2 seasons at the saints while we could just as well let him play there for free and then recall him anyway??? that's throwing away 25 million

He won't be getting sold unless Saints offer something absolutely ridiculous. 

This isn't like Livramento, Lamptey etc, he's on a long term contract.

36 minutes ago, Argo said:

He won't be getting sold unless Saints offer something absolutely ridiculous. 

This isn't like Livramento, Lamptey etc, he's on a long term contract.

i really hope so, if we sell him i think i will be devastated. Same for Gallagher (contract till 2025). Gilmour has a contract till 2023 so that will be interesting what we are going to do. Will we bring both Gilmour and Gallagher back? You cannot loan out Gilmour again if he doesn't extend. If you bring both Gilmour and Gallagher back then we have 6 midfielders for 2 positions

Edited January 22, 20224 yr by azpi28

He would of scored some of these chances.

Is this gonna be the new "Mendy would've saved that?"

Todays papers are all reporting that West Ham are going to be making an offer. We all know they are going to lowball us, as they expect us to sell our players for cheap, but then say we need £100m for Declan Rice. I hope we tell every team to not bother tbh, but we should definitely telling those lot he's worth £90m so pay up or shut up. 

6 hours ago, Oli said:

Todays papers are all reporting that West Ham are going to be making an offer. We all know they are going to lowball us, as they expect us to sell our players for cheap, but then say we need £100m for Declan Rice. I hope we tell every team to not bother tbh, but we should definitely telling those lot he's worth £90m so pay up or shut up. 

West Ham can take a leaf out the scummers book and go f**k themselves!

If they were to offer a straight swap for Declan Rice that might make things more interesting ... I'd still refuse that though LOL

1 hour ago, Munkworth said:

West Ham can take a leaf out the scummers book and go f**k themselves!

I thought he was dead to you after going to the Saints?

55 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

I thought he was dead to you after going to the Saints?

That doesn’t mean I don’t want to deprive them of his services. He can sign for Portsmouth, Sutton United or Rangers. 

You can just see the next KDB catastrophic type sale, but sprinkled with Salah goals, big big big mistake to sell, cos you know we’d buy back for £90 odd million, cos we’re daft and Chelsea…….

1 hour ago, Ballack & Blu said:

You can just see the next KDB catastrophic type sale, but sprinkled with Salah goals, big big big mistake to sell, cos you know we’d buy back for £90 odd million, cos we’re daft and Chelsea…….

Will he be that good? Time will tell, but I do believe he will become quite a special player.

£25m bid coming in from Southampton soon apparently.

Selling him without even getting him to back this summer have a look at him and see how he's improved would be so dissapointing IMO.

That would show that the board have zero foresight and wouldn't be backing Tuchel enough.

If it's around that area of 25m that means very little to us, why not just keep him and see what happens...

17 minutes ago, 2211 said:

£25m bid coming in from Southampton soon apparently.

Selling him without even getting him to back this summer have a look at him and see how he's improved would be so dissapointing IMO.

That would show that the board have zero foresight and wouldn't be backing Tuchel enough.

Depends whether there is a buy back clause or first option on any future sale. 

Like it or not we're stacked for options in attack at the moment and there is no clear path into the first team for Broja right now. 

So profit of £25m now in a year where we made financial loses despite winning the European Cup. Pair that with the profit in sales made during the summer despite buying Lukaku for just shy of £100m and it's good business from a FFP stand point. 

Means we go into next summer in the black and would presumably be in a strong position financially to spend. Especially when there's a very real posibility of needing to recruit possibly two central defenders should Rudiger and Christensen leave on free transfers and us needing better cover for RB/RWB. 

3 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Depends whether there is a buy back clause or first option on any future sale. 

Like it or not we're stacked for options in attack at the moment and there is no clear path into the first team for Broja right now. 

So profit of £25m now in a year where we made financial loses despite winning the European Cup. Pair that with the profit in sales made during the summer despite buying Lukaku for just shy of £100m and it's good business from a FFP stand point. 

Means we go into next summer in the black and would presumably be in a strong position financially to spend. Especially when there's a very real posibility of needing to recruit possibly two central defenders should Rudiger and Christensen leave on free transfers and us needing better cover for RB/RWB. 

We have a lot of forwards but whether any of them will even score 10 league goals this season is yet to be seen.

I understand what you're saying, but I think selling someone who has a better scoring ratio than our current forwards ATM without even bringing him back in the summer to see how he fits in seems like madness to me.

IMO we should say no regardless for the moment and say he's our player and no decision on his future will be taken until the summer when he's back at Cobham.

18 minutes ago, 2211 said:

We have a lot of forwards but whether any of them will even score 10 league goals this season is yet to be seen.

I understand what you're saying, but I think selling someone who has a better scoring ratio than our current forwards ATM without even bringing him back in the summer to see how he fits in seems like madness to me.

IMO we should say no regardless for the moment and say he's our player and no decision on his future will be taken until the summer when he's back at Cobham.

I just don't see him being given any minutes all the time that Lukaku, Havertz and Werner are here. 

Rightly or wrongly, given that we've invested over £200m on those three players means that Tuchel is going to be asked to make it work. 

Abraham had a better strike rate than the current forwards and he was still moved on and is scoring freely for Roma too. The amount of goals scored away from Chelsea doesn't really seem to matter to the club. 

If we sell Broja to keep Werner, Havertz and Pulisic around then that's just another example of everything that is wrong at this club.

If anything we should be trying to shift the beforementioned trio and bring Broja back. Unfortunately Werner and Havertz especially are on monster wages and we are yet again stuck with expensive flops that we can't even sell because no one will match their wages any other place.

 

 

20 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Abraham had a better strike rate than the current forwards and he was still moved on and is scoring freely for Roma too. The amount of goals scored away from Chelsea doesn't really seem to matter to the club. 

Yep, this is true.

My hope is that Southampton have leaked a possible bid to media to test the waters and we give them no signs of encouragement whatsoever, meaning Southampton don't even bid this month.

If we sell to Southampton he’ll be going to Liverpool in a year or two.

1 hour ago, Sindre said:

If we sell Broja to keep Werner, Havertz and Pulisic around then that's just another example of everything that is wrong at this club.

If anything we should be trying to shift the beforementioned trio and bring Broja back. Unfortunately Werner and Havertz especially are on monster wages and we are yet again stuck with expensive flops that we can't even sell because no one will match their wages any other place.

 

 

The problem is, we did the same thing with KDB and Salah and now look at them. I don't think we should be selling Havertz any time soon as he has a decent ceiling. Werner can also come good. My issue with Pulisic is he is too injury prone and that's a big problem. 

 

3 hours ago, RMH said:

If we sell to Southampton he’ll be going to Liverpool in a year or two.

Yes they are a feeder club for Pool. 

I don't watch Southampton much, but from the little that I've seen, Broja looks the forward that we need. He presses up front, is quite mobile within the box and can score from outside the box too (I can't remember against who he recovered the ball pressing the opposition high up, drove the ball to the front of the box and shot scoring a great goal). None of our forwards does that. He may be more inexperienced than Lukaku, but I think that he fits better in Tuchel's style of play and should be in our squad next season starting over Lukaku (unless Lukaku suddenly finds his form and starts scoring week in week out, which looks very unlikely). I think that he could develop a good partnership with Mount and Havertz (and even with Werner). At the very least, we should try him before we sell.

4 hours ago, Sindre said:

If we sell Broja to keep Werner, Havertz and Pulisic around then that's just another example of everything that is wrong at this club.

If anything we should be trying to shift the beforementioned trio and bring Broja back. Unfortunately Werner and Havertz especially are on monster wages and we are yet again stuck with expensive flops that we can't even sell because no one will match their wages any other place.

 

 

Havertz is a smart player capable of solving any game but sadly because of his versatility he was used in far too many positions when he came here which didn't help him to adapt and he had the virus in both seasons now. Not sure how can this 22 year old be a flop when he scored the winning goal of the CL, something that I thought he had in him but that I really didn't expect to come so soon. I admit that I didn't really pay much attention to Broja so I'm not sure how he plays but I doubt that he's a better player than Kai Havertz overall.

Broja didn't really do much yet part from scoring a few goals for the Saints and that's not a good enough argument for selling someone like Havertz. One can argue that all of our strikers have had a difficult time this season, I don't see how it would have been different for a 20 year old Broja.

I would not compare Broja to Havertz more to Werner except he scores, Werner rarely.

Havertz is more of a false 9 and Broja a 9.

I thought Havertz was brought here as an attacking midfielder though the pace of the game in midfield was too quick for him. Hence the false 9, when I heard he was coming I happened to watch him in Germany and he was playing there as a false 9 and looked pretty ordinary. I suddenly thought we might have dropped a clanger and thought I needed to see him in different games and he might be better in midfield.

I think out of Werner and Lukaku he is the best on the ball and has the best touch.

 

Not only are Southampton, West ham and a few unnamed clubs supposedly have strong interest in signing Broja this window, but there is also interest in Gallagher too.

Far as Broja goes a firm point for us is the ability to get him back. Players like KdB, Salah Lamptey being let go at a young age with nothing more than sell on percentages have bite the club in the past and apparently we want the ability to get these players back if the flourish, hence Tammy's buy back fee.

So as previously reported our main priority would be a buy back price, while we would reluctantly consider a matching bid clause so if Saints were to accept 50mill from City they would have to accept 50mill from us as well.

Southampton are willing to deal in these terms. Hence when Tino went there for 5mill we got a 25mill buy back inserted in the deal.

West ham are not willing, which is part of why Zoumas deal took so long to do, as we dropped it in the end.

So it is a matter of price we recieve and how much we can get then back for. Seems like the higher the fee offer the more buy back price we would expect.

Say Saints pay only 20 mill, we would want the buy back around 30mill, if they offered 30mill we would let the buy back be 45mill etc.