Problem is he'll come back to Chelsea and won't get any sort of reliable service to score the goals like he is for Southampton. 

He's doing well and there's definitely going to be a big decision for the club to make come the summer about his future. 

13 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Problem is he'll come back to Chelsea and won't get any sort of reliable service to score the goals like he is for Southampton. 

He's doing well and there's definitely going to be a big decision for the club to make come the summer about his future. 

Very simple decision. Keep Broja and sell Lukaku.  Harry Kane needs to show some ambition for once and leave Spurs, so Conte can use the money to replace him with Lukaku.

I just have a hard time finding a club willing to spend big for Harry Kane. I guess United, but I said he should show ambition and they are just another Europa League mid-table team like Spurs. 🤣

41 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Problem is he'll come back to Chelsea and won't get any sort of reliable service to score the goals like he is for Southampton. 

I'm fairly certain he would have anticipated Azpi's cut back yesterday, got to that tap in against Plymouth or tucked away the two goals Mount layed on a plate for the forward against Spurs (both of which easier finishes than his goal against the same opponents).

41 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Problem is he'll come back to Chelsea and won't get any sort of reliable service to score the goals like he is for Southampton. 

He's doing well and there's definitely going to be a big decision for the club to make come the summer about his future. 

From what I've seen of Broja at Saints (though I don't watch every of their games), he can make the opportunities by himself. He presses high up, recovers the ball and can score from it, which is what we are lacking at the moment, someone with that hunger. 

5 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Problem is he'll come back to Chelsea and won't get any sort of reliable service to score the goals like he is for Southampton. 

He's doing well and there's definitely going to be a big decision for the club to make come the summer about his future. 

I have watched Broja play for Albania where he gets no service at all and has scored goals. However, if he is brought back here i don't see him starting many games due to Lukaku and Werner. I would imagine they would be outraged that an academy striker starts before them. 

Can't see Werner here next season unless no-one in Europe wants him.

Lukaku is a question mark.

1 minute ago, strider6004 said:

Can't see Werner here next season unless no-one in Europe wants him.

Lukaku is a question mark.

Indeed. I expect Timo will want to go as he is not playing mùch and seems firmly behind Ziyech, CHO and Mount for the support roles and Rom for the striker role.

Don't think the fee is the problem in selling him  I expect the club cold get around 30mill to cut their losses with a sell on fee in case he does well. Problem is his reported 272k wages. Don't see anyone going close to that.

Rom fee plus wages makes him impossible to shift imo. Only way would be benching him for Broja or someone else till his ego got so bruised he forced his way out. Then the fee becomes the only problem.

2 hours ago, Gentian said:

I have watched Broja play for Albania where he gets no service at all and has scored goals. 

It's almost as if the service narrative is just an excuse for sh*t strikers.

Actual top class strikers deliver under any manager, any system. any circumstances.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

It's almost as if the service narrative is just an excuse for sh*t strikers.

Actual top class strikers deliver under any manager, any system. any circumstances.

Broja will become top class imo. Him and Colwill I am very sure will go on to be top players.

Some very idealistic and romanticised opinions going on in this thread. 

15 hours ago, Argo said:

Actual top class strikers deliver under any manager, any system. any circumstances.

Drogba, RvP, Shearer and many, many other top strikers did not get this memo.

He's got huge potential, but still very raw. I hope we keep him around for next season. Two full seasons out on loan should be enough ... and he's already shown he can handle the PL ... 

He's played half an hour less minutes than Lukaku, and has scored one more goal.

Detailed analysis shows he's scored against Tottenham, Brentford, Crystal Palace, Brighton, Burnley and Leeds, whereas Lukaku's strikes are 3 vs Villa, and Brighton and Arsenal.

Not exactly £100M worth of difference is there ? :-) 

1 hour ago, Sindre said:

Drogba, RvP, Shearer and many, many other top strikers did not get this memo.

You mean Shearer who was still top class and banging them in even when the likes of Jermaine Jenas , Kieran Dyer and Shola Ameobi were his "service"? Or Drogba who won the most one sided UCL final of all time for the inferior side in that game? Or RVP who's best season productivity wise came playing with Arteta and a half arsed Arshavin as Arsenal's main creative outlets?

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

He's got huge potential, but still very raw. I hope we keep him around for next season. Two full seasons out on loan should be enough ... and he's already shown he can handle the PL ... 

He's played half an hour less minutes than Lukaku, and has scored one more goal.

Detailed analysis shows he's scored against Tottenham, Brentford, Crystal Palace, Brighton, Burnley and Leeds, whereas Lukaku's strikes are 3 vs Villa, and Brighton and Arsenal.

Not exactly £100M worth of difference is there ? 🙂

One goal plus added workrate, tactical suitability and actually wants to be here, sounds a pretty decent trade off to me. Not to mention if he's not cutting it he'll actually be held to account instead of being rewarded with 90 minutes every game no matter how bad he gets.

He's not going to come in and he prime Henry from the off and ofcourse he'll be green for a while but like with the Torres/Sturridge situation, if one or the other I'd rather role with something that could come good as opposed to something that quite clearly won't.

3 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Some very idealistic and romanticised opinions going on in this thread. 

Interesting to see how some fans think bringing him back to the club will suddenly see us scoring a hatful of goals, when Tuchel hasnt been able to manage that with any of our other attacking players as of yet. Broja is not the golden bullet, he wont get 25+ goals due to the way we play and he will have exactly the same problems as all our other forwards under Tuchel.

16 minutes ago, dkw said:

Tuchel hasnt been able to manage that with any of our other attacking players as of yet. Broja is not the golden bullet, he wont get 25+ goals due to the way we play and he will have exactly the same problems as all our other forwards under Tuchel.

They didn't perform for Lampard either and that was with an entirely different way of playing. How about we stop making excuses for our poor, underperforming attackers? 

Or were the 16 league goals Abraham, Werner, Havertz, Mount, Ziyech. Hudson Odoi and Pulisic scored between them from the season started until Lampard got sacked last year good enough? 

If anything they've become a bit better than they were under Tuchel. But they are simply not very good to begin with.

Broja I like very much. He looks like he's could walk into this side of ours right now. Certainly already proved to be a much better Premier League player than Werner & Havertz.

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3 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Some very idealistic and romanticised opinions going on in this thread. 

If he wasn’t from our academy no one would be suggesting we sign him as our starting striker. 
 

18 minutes ago, dkw said:

Interesting to see how some fans think bringing him back to the club will suddenly see us scoring a hatful of goals, when Tuchel hasnt been able to manage that with any of our other attacking players as of yet. Broja is not the golden bullet, he wont get 25+ goals due to the way we play and he will have exactly the same problems as all our other forwards under Tuchel.

I agree. If you look at the stats on some of the strikers that were signed by Liverpool in the last 5-6 years the likes of Mane, Salah, and Jota were not overwhelming. At their previous clubs they scored about 1 in 3, but now look at their records. By comparison our strikers have gone in the opposite direction. So either we continually sign awful strikers, or it is the system.

2 minutes ago, forbzy said:

I agree. If you look at the stats on some of the strikers that were signed by Liverpool in the last 5-6 years the likes of Mane, Salah, and Jota were not overwhelming. At their previous clubs they scored about 1 in 3, but now look at their records. By comparison our strikers have gone in the opposite direction. So either we continually sign awful strikers, or it is the system.

Lampard: 3-4-3, 4-3-2-1 (main formation) and 4-3-3.

Tuchel: 3-4-2-1 (main formation) and occasional 4-2-4.

Five different systems with two different managers and they have not looked consistently good in any of them. Speaks volumes doesn't it?

Out of the two managers Tuchel is the one who's got the most out of them by far. And that was during our Champions League run last season. But unfortunately they have returned to norm after that.

 

 

 

38 minutes ago, Sindre said:

But unfortunately they have returned to norm after that.

Its not the norm though, not without Chilwell and James back in the team, the last two games we had with them in the team was a 0-3 win away to Leciester and 4-0 against Juve. Since then we have struggled. The longer we go without our wingers, the more we forget how important they really are.

40 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Lampard: 3-4-3, 4-3-2-1 (main formation) and 4-3-3.

Tuchel: 3-4-2-1 (main formation) and occasional 4-2-4.

Five different systems with two different managers and they have not looked consistently good in any of them. Speaks volumes doesn't it?

Out of the two managers Tuchel is the one who's got the most out of them by far. And that was during our Champions League run last season. But unfortunately they have returned to norm after that.

 

 

 

I agree that at some point, we have to look at the players. They just aren't stepping up. But to play devil's advocate, I was reading an article on how Tuchel differs from Pep and Klopp. Pep and Klopp manage each and every small detail in attack while Tuchel gives his attackers freedom in what they want to do. It works if attackers are talented as Neymar, Mbappe, Dembele, etc. but our attackers may need a lot more hand holding which they probably aren't getting. 

1 hour ago, Sindre said:

Lampard: 3-4-3, 4-3-2-1 (main formation) and 4-3-3.

Tuchel: 3-4-2-1 (main formation) and occasional 4-2-4.

Five different systems with two different managers and they have not looked consistently good in any of them. Speaks volumes doesn't it?

Out of the two managers Tuchel is the one who's got the most out of them by far. And that was during our Champions League run last season. But unfortunately they have returned to norm after that.

 

 

 

Clearly the problem to them must be supply then, so Jorginho, Kante and Kovacic are the problems... 😉

2 hours ago, dkw said:

Interesting to see how some fans think bringing him back to the club will suddenly see us scoring a hatful of goals, when Tuchel hasnt been able to manage that with any of our other attacking players as of yet. Broja is not the golden bullet, he wont get 25+ goals due to the way we play and he will have exactly the same problems as all our other forwards under Tuchel.

No one is saying he'll be the golden bullet. If he works hard, controls a ball properly and actually wants to be here that's already an improvement on the current striker.

If he can be an improvement on Lukaku the way Eto'o was on Torres then that's a start.

2 hours ago, RomansRoubles said:

I agree that at some point, we have to look at the players. They just aren't stepping up. But to play devil's advocate, I was reading an article on how Tuchel differs from Pep and Klopp. Pep and Klopp manage each and every small detail in attack while Tuchel gives his attackers freedom in what they want to do. It works if attackers are talented as Neymar, Mbappe, Dembele, etc. but our attackers may need a lot more hand holding which they probably aren't getting. 

If this is true, it could explain why the players are having such difficulties in attack. I remember hearing Lampard had a similar approach to attacking giving them complete freedom and the attacking players (Werner, Havertz etc) were not used to this and this was cited as one of the main reasons our attack fell apart under Lamps.

The only attackers that really work in a free role are Havertz and Ziyech. You could argue perhaps Mount as well but the majority need detailed instructions to get the best out of them. Even Havertz I believe would benefit from attacking instructions

4 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

If this is true, it could explain why the players are having such difficulties in attack. I remember hearing Lampard had a similar approach to attacking giving them complete freedom and the attacking players (Werner, Havertz etc) were not used to this and this was cited as one of the main reasons our attack fell apart under Lamps.

The only attackers that really work in a free role are Havertz and Ziyech. You could argue perhaps Mount as well but the majority need detailed instructions to get the best out of them. Even Havertz I believe would benefit from attacking instructions

Tuchel himself has mentioned that he isn't a fan of automatism like Pep as it limits the imagination of players. He prefers guided philosophy. Automatism, however, creates cohesion between players and that is why some of our attackers look like they are playing together for the first time. In theory Tuchel's philosophy is sound but breaks down when players aren't bright, which is what we have bar maybe some exceptions.