1 hour ago, dkw said:

People really need to stop thinking FIFA or Football Manager are real life, just throwing loads of names out as though its as simple as that. The management team will look for a specific type of player that fits not only the way they want to play but also fits into the team ethic, the attitude, the pay structure and the overall plan going forward. They will have looked at all these players and made a decision based on suitability to all those criteria and also availability They dont just filter on football manager by current ability...

I'd happily sign FIFA 20 Chilwell. THAT Chilwell is great! But we are talking about the real thing and I don't see it. 

I definitely don't see it at the price being talked about.

Little bit offtopic but this is how Fifa gather ratings. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vg247.com/2016/09/27/how-ea-calculates-fifa-17-player-ratings/amp/

Again if a FIFA rating is 83 (or there abouts) like for example Alonso it doesn't mean he sucks in a 4 man defensive line in the Premier League against a pacy winger.

Chilwell for me is a 40m player and nothing more. He is (sadly) English, young and on a long contract. That makes it 85m. If Frank and Ashley Cole want him (does Ashley have a job in the club?) I guess it is pretty safe to assume the boy has something.

13 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Are you really trying to tell me that the club can't see Chilwell has 15 acceleration and 13 passing? 

Poor strength though, and his passing is terrible. Though his work rate is good. Sign him up Frank...oh hang on, hes only 81 on FIFA....

3 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Atletico are not selling him, no chance.

Arsenal would also not be selling him,

especially to us (also sure he’s said he prefers playing as a winger).

The others I agree are obtainable but it doesn’t mean they fit the profile of what we’re looking for. I would assume our scouts, Frank etc will have done their research on all these players and decided that Chilwell is their No1 priority.

Personally I would prefer we looked at Telles and keep Alonso which means there’s still a path for Maatsen who I think has high potential. Frank and Ash seem to see something in Chilwell though and if we can get him for a reasonable price I’m inclined to trust them. I don’t think the club will be spending anything near £80m on him though that’s for sure.

 

 

 

Fair point on Saka, with Lodi Atletico Madrid are cash strapped as things stand (paying for Morata, €15m instalment due on Felix, wage bill of £310m & Diego Simeone earns £36m/yr), and they need money desperately.

The funny thing with fullbacks is it is the one position where you can’t guarantee if a player will be a success. Look at how much City have burnt on their “£50m” fullbacks, Pep keeps buying every summer and can’t do better than Walker & a crocked Mandy. Barca are trying to get rid of Firpo & Semedo. Utd’s £50m RB is getting praised for not missing a tackle. The only success stories are Alphonso Davies a £10m winger that has been converted to arguably the best left back on the planet. Robertson a £8m purchase from a relegated club, TAA arguably one of the best RBs on the planet, and the jury is still out on Reece James.

There are too many misses that hits with fullbacks, and for the prices been bandied about I’d rather we went with either Telles or Tagliafico. 

15 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Fair point on Saka, with Lodi Atletico Madrid are cash strapped as things stand (paying for Morata, €15m instalment due on Felix, wage bill of £310m & Diego Simeone earns £36m/yr), and they need money desperately.

The funny thing with fullbacks is it is the one position where you can’t guarantee if a player will be a success. Look at how much City have burnt on their “£50m” fullbacks, Pep keeps buying every summer and can’t do better than Walker & a crocked Mandy. Barca are trying to get rid of Firpo & Semedo. Utd’s £50m RB is getting praised for not missing a tackle. The only success stories are Alphonso Davies a £10m winger that has been converted to arguably the best left back on the planet. Robertson a £8m purchase from a relegated club, TAA arguably one of the best RBs on the planet, and the jury is still out on Reece James.

There are too many misses that hits with fullbacks, and for the prices been bandied about I’d rather we went with either Telles or Tagliafico. 

Jesus, does Simeone seriously make that much?

On a serious note though, please don't get this guy. He'll cost an absolute fortune, and whenever I've watched him play he's bang average. I know we can't be expected to sign the best of the best, but I would even rather just play with Emerson/Alonso than waste whatever ridiculous sum we'll be paying for him, Rodgers will be laughing. 

1 hour ago, Slojo said:

On a serious note though, please don't get this guy. He'll cost an absolute fortune, and whenever I've watched him play he's bang average. I know we can't be expected to sign the best of the best, but I would even rather just play with Emerson/Alonso than waste whatever ridiculous sum we'll be paying for him, Rodgers will be laughing. 

Especially if he then signs Tierney for 25-30m. 

3 hours ago, ducavis said:

Fair point on Saka, with Lodi Atletico Madrid are cash strapped as things stand (paying for Morata, €15m instalment due on Felix, wage bill of £310m & Diego Simeone earns £36m/yr), and they need money desperately.

The funny thing with fullbacks is it is the one position where you can’t guarantee if a player will be a success. Look at how much City have burnt on their “£50m” fullbacks, Pep keeps buying every summer and can’t do better than Walker & a crocked Mandy. Barca are trying to get rid of Firpo & Semedo. Utd’s £50m RB is getting praised for not missing a tackle. The only success stories are Alphonso Davies a £10m winger that has been converted to arguably the best left back on the planet. Robertson a £8m purchase from a relegated club, TAA arguably one of the best RBs on the planet, and the jury is still out on Reece James.

There are too many misses that hits with fullbacks, and for the prices been bandied about I’d rather we went with either Telles or Tagliafico. 

If we could get Lodi at a decent price that would be my dream. I think he has an incredibly high ceiling but like I say, I’m still not sure he would be the one Aleti would look to sell.

Agree with the rest of your post as well mate.

2 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Especially if he then signs Tierney for 25-30m. 

Are arsenal looking to move him on already?

9 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Are arsenal looking to move him on already?

Was just a rumour. I imagine someone worked out that if Leicester need a LB, that will be the first one they go for and arsenal won't definitely say no. 

Interesting that the merry go round has moved on and Leicester are interested in Tagliafico if Chilwell moves to us. 

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2020/6/10/21285657/leicester-city-looking-to-replace-ben-chilwell-with-nicolas-tagliafico-report

Would be a bit frustrating for them to rinse us for tens of millions and then go out and buy a better player for a quarter the price. 

3 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

Interesting that the merry go round has moved on and Leicester are interested in Tagliafico if Chilwell moves to us. 

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2020/6/10/21285657/leicester-city-looking-to-replace-ben-chilwell-with-nicolas-tagliafico-report

Would be a bit frustrating for them to rinse us for tens of millions and then go out and buy a better player for a quarter the price. 

hence why we should just go straight for Tagliafico and let City or Utd sign the LB version of John Stones for an extortionate price

At least he's got a good cross on him. Feels like forever since we've had someone who's a good crosser at leftback.

I think he's much better than what we have but the price needs to be right. Paying upwards of 60 million would be insanity.

20 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Especially if he then signs Tierney for 25-30m. 

Who's actualy a fairly decent player, good going forward. I would rather have him than Chilwell. 

4 hours ago, driller97 said:

hence why we should just go straight for Tagliafico and let City or Utd sign the LB version of John Stones for an extortionate price

Great comparison 

5 hours ago, driller97 said:

hence why we should just go straight for Tagliafico and let City or Utd sign the LB version of John Stones for an extortionate price

Perfect, sell Emerson for 20 and buy Taglia for 40.

1 hour ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

Great comparison 

Thanks. All the people clamoring for Chilwell now will just realise hes another overhyped english defender like Stones. Bet everybody's glad we didn't sign him now eh?

Quite weird though, I thought Chilwell was good, but that City game he just got ripped apart by Mahrez, and its like the whole City team were just targeting that left side as he was a weak link.

42 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Perfect, sell Emerson for 20 and buy Taglia for 40.

Dont even think Tagliafico is going for that price, pretty sure he would cost under 30m

So is this the consensus in here now then, Chillwell is terrible and any signing the other teams make will be amazing and soooo much better than him. Leicester being linked with Bertrand today, maybe we should just go get him instead.

2 hours ago, dkw said:

So is this the consensus in here now then, Chillwell is terrible and any signing the other teams make will be amazing and soooo much better than him. Leicester being linked with Bertrand today, maybe we should just go get him instead.

Nobody said he was terrible, but for 80m you could argue he is.

If Chilwell was 30m, I dont think anybody would be complaining about signing him.

So is this the consensus in here now then, Chillwell is terrible and any signing the other teams make will be amazing and soooo much better than him. Leicester being linked with Bertrand today, maybe we should just go get him instead.

Oh grow up. Nobody is saying that. Just that for £80m that player better be utterly transformative to your team and there is no way that Chillwell could justify that price tag.

Do you honestly think we should spend all the up front money from the Hazard transfer on a decent left back? Because that's the comparison you're making. Chillwell is not worth the same as Hazard. There I said it. I can't believe I had to but FML we can be sensible.

I don't want us to be like City, buying Stones, Mangala, Otemendi and hoping each time that this one will be worth the price.

1 hour ago, driller97 said:

Nobody said he was terrible, but for 80m you could argue he is.

If Chilwell was 30m, I dont think anybody would be complaining about signing him.

Why does the price matter, if hes the right player and the manager wants him then we go sign him for his value. Hes English and his price will be high, thats just got to be accepted. Some people are claiming hes bang average and players x, y and z are better. But as I said before they arent the ones our manager wants, or belieevs are obtainable. How

1 hour ago, TheSocialShark said:

Oh grow up. Nobody is saying that. Just that for £80m that player better be utterly transformative to your team and there is no way that Chillwell could justify that price tag.

Do you honestly think we should spend all the up front money from the Hazard transfer on a decent left back? Because that's the comparison you're making. Chillwell is not worth the same as Hazard. There I said it. I can't believe I had to but FML we can be sensible.

I don't want us to be like City, buying Stones, Mangala, Otemendi and hoping each time that this one will be worth the price.

Get stuffed telling me to grow up. As I said above, why do you care about the cost, if hes the right payer that the manager wants then we sign him for his market value. Its amazes me that for years on here we have had people whinging that we havent backed the manager, yet seemingly this is exactly what we are doing and people still whinge.

Get stuffed telling me to grow up. As I said above, why do you care about the cost, if hes the right payer that the manager wants then we sign him for his market value. Its amazes me that for years on here we have had people whinging that we havent backed the manager, yet seemingly this is exactly what we are doing and people still whinge.

Well address the whingers not me.

Why do I care? Because we have other areas in the team to address because I'd rather see us develop talent than always buy it and because I have a feeling that football suffers when clubs like ours and City simply take all there is to have. Outside of Chelsea winning the league the best season in recent times was Leicester winning it? Why because it was exciting, nobody expected it and it was done with Wes Morgan at centre back. Football is about emotional connection and simply opening our wallet for overvalued player is a weakness.

Hazard was a wonderful player and picking him up at the right price made it even better. Vastly overpaying for Torres or Veron was not.

1 minute ago, TheSocialShark said:

Well address the whingers not me.

Why do I care? Because we have other areas in the team to address because I'd rather see us develop talent than always buy it and because I have a feeling that football suffers when clubs like ours and City simply take all there is to have. Outside of Chelsea winning the league the best season in recent times was Leicester winning it? Why because it was exciting, nobody expected it and it was done with Wes Morgan at centre back. Football is about emotional connection and simply opening our wallet for overvalued player is a weakness.

Hazard was a wonderful player and picking him up at the right price made it even better. Vastly overpaying for Torres or Veron was not.

So now after you quoted me you are complaining that I`m addressing you?

Its pretty obvious that we are also addressing other areas of the team also, you understand we can sign Chillwell and do that also? We have a great mix at the moment of young players and bought players, but left back is where we are lacking in both. There is no one from the youth ready to step up, and Alonso and emmerson have both been found lacking. Left back is absolutely a position we need to sort out.

I`m not sure of why you brought Leicester into this, that was a freak season, and as great as it was to see it happen it just wont happen again for a long, long time. So if you want us to compete for trophies, which I presume you do, then we are going to have to buy players as well as bring through our own. I think at the moment we have it just right, but I would be disappointed it we suddenly flood the squad with purchases again. Are we going to make a list of good and bad purchases now?