Why didn't Chiwell get game time against Scotland? He's better going forward than Shaw, if not a better player all round. I know it's only the second group name, but there are many options on the bench that Southgate happily ignored, maybe he was contend with a point or even group runner up.

3 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Why didn't Chiwell get game time against Scotland? He's better going forward than Shaw, if not a better player all round. I know it's only the second group name, but there are many options on the bench that Southgate happily ignored, maybe he was contend with a point or even group runner up.

I think Southgate's luck might have finally run out. The switch to a back four in particular seems bizarre after the success with 3-4-3 in recent years. Shaw was awful, not picking Chilwell who is on a high from the CL win seems strange, especially given he has played regularly beforehand. 11Leaving Sancho out is perhaps even stranger.

England looked clunky and Scotland were arguably the better side last night. I sense a classic England Round of 16 crash out.

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14 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

I think Southgate's luck might have finally run out. The switch to a back four in particular seems bizarre after the success with 3-4-3 in recent years. Leaving Sancho out is perhaps even more bizarre.

England looked clunky and Scotland were arguably the better side last night. I sense a classic England Round of 16 crash out.

I think we will make the 1/4s though will need to change things for sure.

Never rated Southgate as a tactical manager so don't expect him to change too much or make telling substitutions yet we live in hope he gets some inspiration. 

Would be nice to see Sancho next time we need a goal rather than Grealish. 

 

1 hour ago, Strider6003 said:

I think we will make the 1/4s though will need to change things for sure.

Never rated Southgate as a tactical manager so don't expect him to change too much or make telling substitutions yet we live in hope he gets some inspiration. 

Would be nice to see Sancho next time we need a goal rather than Grealish. 

Agree re: Southgate. 

Just bizarre to go away from an approach that has served England so well heading into a tournament they have the players to win. Surely the 3-4-3 with the wingbacks creates more than the very stagnant 4-2-3-1.  Sancho surely has to start not just be a sub as well. 

@Valerie James finally ditches peroxide ikebana on his head and his swag immediately jumps 

11 minutes ago, mojo said:

@Valerie James finally ditches peroxide ikebana on his head and his swag immediately jumps 

 He needn't turn into a Pogba, but this is so....unremarkable.

2 hours ago, charierre said:

 

Haha. Saw this earlier. Very funny! 

Southgate is a poor manager. He seems to pick players based upon seniority and reputation rather than current form. 

If I were DCL I'd be insulted to see a half fit winger in Rashford put on the pitch as a striker while DCL sits on the bench.

And as a German journalist said, any team that benches Sancho for two consecutive games must have a phenomenal attack.

Foden should not have been subbed off. Sterling was poor. Bellingham should've come on second half for Phillips. 

Southgate out. Muppet. 

 

Mbappe is an absolute superstar 

3 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Mbappe is an absolute superstar 

He irritates me so much.

5 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

He irritates me so much.

Why? 

Ignore that one. Must have been asleep!

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Just now, Munkworth said:

I thought Giroud was the key man to the French attack and he needed to leave Chelsea to play regularly for the good of his nation. Why’s he not even on the pitch despite France needing a goal. 

??? 

He is on the pitch 

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

??? 

He is on the pitch 

Yeah I’ve been in and out of consciousness while watching this  

6 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Why? 

His pace is absolutely ridiculous, all he need to do is run at full speed and 99% of the time he’ll get past the defenders. It’s not fair. Terrifying player.

Well done to Hungary

4 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

His pace is absolutely ridiculous, all he need to do is run at full speed and 99% of the time he’ll get past the defenders. It’s not fair. Terrifying player.

Yup, he is already a superstar level player. It is almost like cheating. 

Ousmane Dembele is such a sad story, a superstar level talent but had so many injuries

 

6 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

I think Southgate's luck might have finally run out. The switch to a back four in particular seems bizarre after the success with 3-4-3 in recent years. Shaw was awful, not picking Chilwell who is on a high from the CL win seems strange, especially given he has played regularly beforehand. 11Leaving Sancho out is perhaps even stranger.

England looked clunky and Scotland were arguably the better side last night. I sense a classic England Round of 16 crash out.

If you play 343, there are only 3 attacker slot. One is for Kane. Now you have 2 slots left for sterling, mount, sancho, foden, grealish, Rashford. 

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

If you play 343, there are only 3 attacker slot. One is for Kane. Now you have 2 slots left for sterling, mount, sancho, foden, grealish, Rashford. 

No you don’t, you have three spaces for Mount, Calvert-Lewin and Sancho and the bench for the other c**ts. 

Does anyone understand how this tournament is considered fair when certain teams play at home every time while others need to travel for every game? I am so confused. Hungary now played against Portugal and France in front of nearly 60k people in their home stadium. Germany will play EVERY single group stage game at home. Same for England.

???

Along with the terrible refereeing this tournament more and more feels like some random preseason cup in America or Dubai to me. A total mess. Nothing makes any sense.

22 minutes ago, reparto corse said:

Does anyone understand how this tournament is considered fair when certain teams play at home every time while others need to travel for every game? I am so confused. Hungary now played against Portugal and France in front of nearly 60k people in their home stadium. Germany will play EVERY single group stage game at home. Same for England.

???

Along with the terrible refereeing this tournament more and more feels like some random preseason cup in America or Dubai to me. A total mess. Nothing makes any sense.

Not quite cricket, is it 

I agree it seems a bit arbitrary on which teams get home advantage. 

Great to see the Hungary crowd buzzing and am wondering how Scotalnd will fare when the Tartan army heads back home from virus hot-spot Leicester Square. 

6 hours ago, Strider6003 said:

I think we will make the 1/4s though will need to change things for sure.

Never rated Southgate as a tactical manager so don't expect him to change too much or make telling substitutions yet we live in hope he gets some inspiration. 

Would be nice to see Sancho next time we need a goal rather than Grealish. 

If we win the group - although a draw against the Czechs is looking more likely than a win, we will play one of France, Portugal or Germany. 
 

I think we should be seriously hoping we don’t win the group.

4 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

Agree re: Southgate. 

Just bizarre to go away from an approach that has served England so well heading into a tournament they have the players to win. Surely the 3-4-3 with the wingbacks creates more than the very stagnant 4-2-3-1.  Sancho surely has to start not just be a sub as well. 

Some of the football press are calling Southgate a coward.

We were being stifled and said we needed a formation change and he bottled it.

I guess he thought on it and worried about Foden vs Mount and Rice vs Phillips as two of them would probably had to go off.

For me it is the key point, now is he afraid to drop the media darlings? 

The press acknowledged he did drop Kane and that showed he wasn't totally inept as Kane did not look fit yet added it was crying out for us to go with 3CBs and two wide men.