7 minutes ago, The Brit said:

Look who they’ve played 

Don’t think they’re good enough but compared to start of season they have tightened up. No European football is a big advantage to them and can see them pushing top 4. 

I love Moyeeeeeees! And Kurt!!!

16 minutes ago, BordeauxBlue said:

I think it's the fact that Origi is the worst striker in any Liverpool lineup. As such, he often gets given space and time others wouldn't. 

I watched him play in Ligue 1, he was horrific. 

And yet when Klopp needs a goal in a big game he usually turns to Origi.

Hard one to judge TBH Bordeaux because he never gets a consistent run of games.  The quality of strikers in front of him at Liverpool obviously limit his chances, but for me whenever he comes on he always seems to be involved and makes things happen. He looks like a finisher to me. Werner absolutely doesn't.

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12 minutes ago, wizardous said:

I love Moyeeeeeees! And Kurt!!!

I doubt we will be saying that on December 4th, another Saturday lunchtime kickoff...

29 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

I doubt we will be saying that on December 4th, another Saturday lunchtime kickoff...

We have 3 games left until December 4th. Let's go step by step and do what we should do.

1 minute ago, wizardous said:

We have 3 games left until December 4th. Let's go step by step and do what we should do.

Aye one game at a time.

Funny how our mutual dislike of Liverpool means we overlook the fact that West ham winning today has affects our top 4 chances.

Last season it was Leicester, this one it appears it is West ham who will be looking to boot us out of the top for. To be 3 points off us is a really impressive start by them.

56 minutes ago, BordeauxBlue said:

I think it's the fact that Origi is the worst striker in any Liverpool lineup. As such, he often gets given space and time others wouldn't. 

I watched him play in Ligue 1, he was horrific. 

Such a strange player. But somehow he fits into their squad and usually delivers when he's needed...

As far as I can remember he played some games as a winger at Lille, didn't he?

1 hour ago, goose said:

Don’t think they’re good enough but compared to start of season they have tightened up. No European football is a big advantage to them and can see them pushing top 4. 

Sure I just think we can’t really judge Arsenal until they’ve played some better sides. Look what happened v palace, the most in form side they’ve faced since the first three losses. Very fortunate to get a draw…at home.

they were bang average today and only won due to a combo of bad refereeing and bad sportsmanship.

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17 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Aye one game at a time.

Funny how our mutual dislike of Liverpool means we overlook the fact that West ham winning today has affects our top 4 chances.

Last season it was Leicester, this one it appears it is West ham who will be looking to boot us out of the top for. To be 3 points off us is a really impressive start by them.

The standards are higher this season. 😁

27 minutes ago, wizardous said:

The standards are higher this season. 😁

The hope is for sure, and hopefully it stays so once we get to February and out of the usual 3 unkind months.

Another plus on today’s result is we don’t have to listen to all the media hype about them being unbeaten this season.

46 minutes ago, goose said:

Another plus on today’s result is we don’t have to listen to all the media hype about them being unbeaten this season.

And we got to see Klopp being the gracious loser he always is…not that the media will say anything about it.

why do we had to be so wasteful yesterday 😪

CHO, Barkley, Kai had theirs golas on a f**king platter

I cheered the Spam goals more than my husband did (he's a Spammer!).  There were a few Dipper fans in the pub who (jokingly tbf) didn't appreciate it!

3 hours ago, mojo said:

why do we had to be so wasteful yesterday 😪

CHO, Barkley, Kai had theirs golas on a f**king platter

Used up our clinical finishing at the end of October. Now is November and we left our shooting boots behind.

8 hours ago, just said:

And yet when Klopp needs a goal in a big game he usually turns to Origi.

Hard one to judge TBH Bordeaux because he never gets a consistent run of games.  The quality of strikers in front of him at Liverpool obviously limit his chances, but for me whenever he comes on he always seems to be involved and makes things happen. He looks like a finisher to me. Werner absolutely doesn't.

Origi played a part in 28 PL games in 19/20 and scored in a grand total of 3 of them. He scored in the first game and the last game of the season, and in 1 of 26 appearances in between.

He played a part (including starts) in 6 CL games in 19/20 and scored in 0.

He played (started) in 3 FA Cup games in 19/20 and scored in 0.

In 20/21, he played a part in only 12 PL + CL + FA Cup games (including a few starts) and scored in 0.

In 21/22, he has played a part in 5 PL + CL + FA Cup games and scored his first goal yesterday.

This is your great finisher? 😉

Just saying that it's useful to use some more information to draw an inference than this one good finish and a vague memory that he scored an important goal in the past. His stats are so bad that even Werner looks like a world class finisher in comparison.

And this is not even considering that Werner adds so much more to a team tactically (pressing, movement, pace and assists). Football is frankly far more complex than putting a finisher (who is incapable of anything else) in the team and expecting good team play as Ole is finding out every game. 

Happy for Moyes and Zouma, we have  3 points lead after 11 games it's very satisfactory.. If Moyes was an ex-United player, he'd have manage them for 3 seasons and have more to show than OLE. Conte will improve Spurs, but the 343  is no longer a secret like his first season with us, so he's going to have a tougher time this time around. If Levy doesn't keep his promise of loads of funds in January, could see him gone after the season.

It would be amusing if Moyes's WHU can finish above Ole's Utd.

I think WHU will fall away as the European matches take their toll. 

Can't believe Villa sacked Dean Smith. What are they smoking up there? 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59172217

Howe is Newcastle's new manager.

6 hours ago, Deino said:

Can't believe Villa sacked Dean Smith. What are they smoking up there? 

Maybe JT will go back?

Interesting. Looks like Emenalo may become Newcastle's new Director of Football. Smart decision, my hopes of Newcastle 'pulling a QPR' are fading by the second...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/08/newcastle-confirm-appointment-of-eddie-howe-as-new-manager

Thinking more about that Cresswell challenge as seen a lot of shots and commentary.

I now think he should have gone, when he makes the initial challenge one leg is on the ground, I'm guessing after the initial challenge he adjusts his boy and lunges in two footed with studs up on Henderson knee.

It must take take some clever footwork to pull that off yet a Red for me.

When we play WHU we will need to watch those corners Ogbonna waving his hands naturally high in front of the keeper and Antonio leaning in from the rear.

 

 

 

18 hours ago, ashwin said:

Origi played a part in 28 PL games in 19/20 and scored in a grand total of 3 of them. He scored in the first game and the last game of the season, and in 1 of 26 appearances in between.

He played a part (including starts) in 6 CL games in 19/20 and scored in 0.

He played (started) in 3 FA Cup games in 19/20 and scored in 0.

In 20/21, he played a part in only 12 PL + CL + FA Cup games (including a few starts) and scored in 0.

In 21/22, he has played a part in 5 PL + CL + FA Cup games and scored his first goal yesterday.

This is your great finisher? 😉

Just saying that it's useful to use some more information to draw an inference than this one good finish and a vague memory that he scored an important goal in the past. His stats are so bad that even Werner looks like a world class finisher in comparison.

And this is not even considering that Werner adds so much more to a team tactically (pressing, movement, pace and assists). Football is frankly far more complex than putting a finisher (who is incapable of anything else) in the team and expecting good team play as Ole is finding out every game. 

Fair points. For comparison, do you know how many minutes he has played in total, and full 90 minute games and consecutive games he has played over the past 2 seasons compared to Werner? What is his goals per minutes played ratio over the past 2 seasons compared to Werner? Both fairly relevant pieces of information I think.

Personally I think that if Origi gets the same number of chances compared to Werner he will finish more. An opinion. Not a statistic.

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