1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Think Palmer imo is best suited at the CF role for the time being, with Nkunku supporting him. 

Yes, seems to be the best natural finisher we have, maybe aside from Nkunku, but Nkunku was anonymous at CF against Luton.

6 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Think Palmer imo is best suited at the CF role for the time being, with Nkunku supporting him. 

Should Broja not prove any value. 

That would be criminal for a multitude of reasons.. 

yes he can finish but a CF is more than that such as playing with your back to the goal, making the right runs and having the right instinct, managing offsite, physically being strong enough to hold off defenders.. I mean unless we completely change our system to a false 9 this would be absurd..

besides he is are most creative player and one who is involved in most of our attacks.. none of our current lot can do what he does so effectively.. 

1 hour ago, Jangz said:

That would be criminal for a multitude of reasons.. 

yes he can finish but a CF is more than that such as playing with your back to the goal, making the right runs and having the right instinct, managing offsite, physically being strong enough to hold off defenders.. I mean unless we completely change our system to a false 9 this would be absurd..

besides he is are most creative player and one who is involved in most of our attacks.. none of our current lot can do what he does so effectively.. 

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What probably will happen is Nkunku will play as a 9 and  people will start saying poch is a dinosaur, just play false 9.

 

 

Edited January 5, 20242 yr by Bob stark

15 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I simply think we have enough technical quality where we should be controlling matches and breaking sides down far better. With Nkunku returning, Chilwell, Lavia, Carney, and Madueke and Mudryk slowly improving, I expect to see that this second half. 

It all depend on what is your definition of control. If you are talking about possession. 

We are already among the top with Gallagher practically starting every game. 

 

 

Playing Palmer at CF would be a complete waste of time in my opinion, would negate the things that make him so good. We used to have similar things with Lampard when our strikers went through fallow periods with some fans wanting him shoved up front, he and Palmers strengths are getting into the box past the strikers, away from defenders that are taking up the CB`s etc. 

On 03/01/2024 at 16:04, olderschoolcfc said:

Here's one for us all. 

Who would you rather in the side right now if both were 100% fit. CG or Mount? 

having both isn't an option... 

I'm going with CG... simply no hunger, desire and ability to win the ball back. Think the goals and assists will come. 

On current form or both at their best? 

Mount was FAR better than CG at his best. Looks a shadow of himself now and in hindsight the right time to move him on. 

Madness to sell...even to balance the books. Rather sell broja and I used to be a massive fan of his to step up one day. I see more potential in Jackson than broja atm.

And agreed...definitely no to Palmer up top. Nkunka played there for 2 seasons in the past for other clubs. He just needs a few games on his own up top without Jackson or broja to remember and get in the right positions in the box.

Play 3 of the 4 behind him depending on the oppositions tactics. And Gallagher one of the 2 behind them. I really doubt poch will ever start a match with 3/5 defence and will always opt for a back 4. He can and will change it second half as he's done before but never seen him "start" our lot with 3 or 5.

 

Tldr:

Pls pls do not sell Gallagher. He's the only one that busts a gut for us and he has a position in this side.

13 minutes ago, Simplymo said:

Madness to sell...even to balance the books. Rather sell broja and I used to be a massive fan of his to step up one day. I see more potential in Jackson than broja atm.

And agreed...definitely no to Palmer up top. Nkunka played there for 2 seasons in the past for other clubs. He just needs a few games on his own up top without Jackson or broja to remember and get in the right positions in the box.

Play 3 of the 4 behind him depending on the oppositions tactics. And Gallagher one of the 2 behind them. I really doubt poch will ever start a match with 3/5 defence and will always opt for a back 4. He can and will change it second half as he's done before but never seen him "start" our lot with 3 or 5.

 

Tldr:

Pls pls do not sell Gallagher. He's the only one that busts a gut for us and he has a position in this side.

Nkunku never played as a lone striker. This would be the equivalent of watching Werner in a 2 striker system at Leipzig and signing him thinking he could lead the line for us on his own.

Wait...

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Nkunku never played as a lone striker. This would be the equivalent of watching Werner in a 2 striker system at Leipzig and signing him thinking he could lead the line for us on his own.

Wait...

He was forced to play as a striker instead of a winger...and did really well.

Snippet from bbc article below but there's a better one on the guardian I think...

"Domenico Tedesco was the first coach who regularly fielded Nkunku as a striker and Marco Rose continued that tactic..."

7 hours ago, Bob stark said:

It all depend on what is your definition of control. If you are talking about possession. 

We are already among the top with Gallagher practically starting every game. 

 

 

Already posted somewhere that a huge % of our touches come in our own defensive end. Far greater than the likes of City, Arsenal, Liverpool, and Spurs. 

Need to be doing far better with the ball given the technical quality we have vs recycling back to the defense. 

10 hours ago, Jangz said:

That would be criminal for a multitude of reasons.. 

yes he can finish but a CF is more than that such as playing with your back to the goal, making the right runs and having the right instinct, managing offsite, physically being strong enough to hold off defenders.. I mean unless we completely change our system to a false 9 this would be absurd..

besides he is are most creative player and one who is involved in most of our attacks.. none of our current lot can do what he does so effectively.. 

I mean its not ideal, but Nkunku at CF is also complete waste. 

One of the 2 is going to pushed there if Broja isn't preforming. 

5 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

I mean its not ideal, but Nkunku at CF is also complete waste. 

One of the 2 is going to pushed there if Broja isn't preforming. 

Don't know about the stuff in the beginning but I disagree with the nkunku bit. I want to see him as a lone striker and judge for ourselves. If he could do it for 2 different managers abroad and do it well, we should give him a try at least.

2 minutes ago, Simplymo said:

Don't know about the stuff in the beginning but I disagree with the nkunku bit. I want to see him as a lone striker and judge for ourselves. If he could do it for 2 different managers abroad and do it well, we should give him a try at least.

When has he ever played as a lone striker? Even in the Bundesliga he played off of Werner/Poulsen where Nkunku was actually a CAM role wise more than anything. 

It's how I feel about him now. He's great at finding space and linking up with midfield/attack. 

Edited January 5, 20242 yr by Sconnie Blue

5 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

When has he ever played as a lone striker? Even in the Bundesliga he played off of Werner/Poulsen where Nkunku was actually a CAM role wise more than anything. 

It's how I feel about him now. He's great at finding space and linking up with midfield/attack. 

I need to find the proper article I read, think it was the guardian or even athletic, can't remember.

The Beeb had one but it wasn't in depth as the one above, it only mentions it as part of a small paragraph. 

Beeb:

"Domenico Tedesco was the first coach who regularly fielded Nkunku as a striker and Marco Rose continued that tactic..."

 

He was forced to play up top on his own on several occasions by 2 different managers.

Edited January 5, 20242 yr by Simplymo

15 minutes ago, Simplymo said:

I need to find the proper article I read, think it was the guardian or even athletic, can't remember.

The Beeb had one but it wasn't in depth as the one above, it only mentions it as part of a small paragraph. 

Beeb:

"Domenico Tedesco was the first coach who regularly fielded Nkunku as a striker and Marco Rose continued that tactic..."

 

He was forced to play up top on his own on several occasions by 2 different managers.

Where does it say, "on his own"?

Article could simply be referring to when they moved him from wing back to the attack. 

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

Where does it say, "on his own"?

Article could simply be referring to when they moved him from wing back to the attack. 

That's why I need to find the other article.

5 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

On current form or both at their best? 

Mount was FAR better than CG at his best. Looks a shadow of himself now and in hindsight the right time to move him on. 

Right now CG all day long. 

11 hours ago, Jangz said:

That would be criminal for a multitude of reasons.. 

yes he can finish but a CF is more than that such as playing with your back to the goal, making the right runs and having the right instinct, managing offsite, physically being strong enough to hold off defenders.. I mean unless we completely change our system to a false 9 this would be absurd..

besides he is are most creative player and one who is involved in most of our attacks.. none of our current lot can do what he does so effectively.. 

It doesn't require too much of a change as we saw against Arsenal where his performance was Firmino esque.

Just to clear up where Nkunku played at RB Leipzig, this is how Transfermarkt have it recorded :

 

Under Tedesco : 

 

 

Under Rose : 

 

 

 

Edited January 5, 20242 yr by Sexyfootball

On 04/01/2024 at 00:04, olderschoolcfc said:

Here's one for us all. 

Who would you rather in the side right now if both were 100% fit. CG or Mount? 

having both isn't an option... 

I'm going with CG... simply no hunger, desire and ability to win the ball back. Think the goals and assists will come. 

What do you need though? 

If you want somebody to win the ball, screen defense, crash the box Gallagher is far superior. 

If you want a player who can connect midfield with attacker, then mount is better. 

 

15 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Already posted somewhere that a huge % of our touches come in our own defensive end. Far greater than the likes of City, Arsenal, Liverpool, and Spurs. 

Need to be doing far better with the ball given the technical quality we have vs recycling back to the defense. 

I mean its not ideal, but Nkunku at CF is also complete waste. 

One of the 2 is going to pushed there if Broja isn't preforming. 

Keeping the ball high has nothing to do with Gallagher. Your problem is with mudryk and jackson. 

On 05/01/2024 at 14:28, Kev56 said:

Right now CG all day long. 

You think CG currently is better than Mount 20-22?

Give me 2021 Mount. 

The Mount vs Gallagher thing is interesting.

What we really want is the Gallagher of the first 19 games he played at Palace. I can't find the data any more, but I think he was averaging about a 7.6 rating on Whoscored in that period. Mount has never got anywhere near that over a 19 game stretch. 

In terms of what has been showed in a Chelsea shirt though, I'd have to take peak Mount.

9 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

You think CG currently is better than Mount 20-22?

Err, as in right now.

Looks like he's staying until end of season at least, if we don't sign anyone else I'd call it a sound transfer window. We need a bit of stability after 3 windows of 'rebuild'