17 minutes ago, Kev56 said:

Really ffs the only player that gives a sh*t, gives 100%, runs his f**king nuts off. Tell me a better buy in the £1,000,000,000 we’ve spent who gives close to that, and you’d sell him for 50m to f**king spurs. Un f**king believable. 

You realize Enzo has covered the most ground out of any player in the Premier League, right?

22 minutes ago, Modueke said:

Roman wouldn't be selling our current captain and one out of a young team that actually looks capable this season. It's next-level crazy!

There's every likelihood Gallagher wouldn't have made the first team squad in the first place had Roman remained.

Just now, Argo said:

There's every likelihood Gallagher wouldn't have made the first team squad in the first place had Roman remained.

Why not?

Just now, Modueke said:

Why not?

Year before we sold two of the best we've produced to fund Lukaku.

We'll never truly know now but it feels to me he and Colwill would have likely meet a similar fate, and if he didn't he'd have been a square peg in a round hole in TT's system anyway (as we saw the few games he did play under him).

25 minutes ago, Modueke said:

Roman wouldn't be selling our current captain and one out of a young team that actually looks capable this season. It's next-level crazy!

agree its next level crazy, big big fan of mr C.G but the club had a model of using cobham grads to raise revenue through loan fees. same for squad players... Bar JT, did we see too many cobham grades make the first team or was the path blocked by senior players as seen with KDB/Salah/Lukaku etc... 🙂 Think it's a case of asking what's more crazy!!! 🙂 Holes in socks or not, want C.G to stay because he's an animal in the final third recycling the ball, one of the best in Europe at it and he can hit some worldies too. 

3 minutes ago, Argo said:

Year before we sold two of the best we've produced to fund Lukaku.

We'll never truly know now but it feels to me he and Colwill would have likely meet a similar fate, and if he didn't he'd have been a square peg in a round hole in TT's system anyway (as we saw the few games he did play under him).

Tammy and Tomori ?

The Tammy sale wasn't great, but it was a very different time then. It isn't anywhere near on par with selling Conor to Tottenham!

4 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

agree its next level crazy, big big fan of mr C.G but the club had a model of using cobham grads to raise revenue through loan fees. same for squad players... Bar JT, did we see too many cobham grades make the first team or was the path blocked by senior players as seen with KDB/Salah/Lukaku etc... 🙂 Think it's a case of asking what's more crazy!!! 🙂 Holes in socks or not, want C.G to stay because he's an animal in the final third recycling the ball, one of the best in Europe at it and he can hit some worldies too. 

I think the difference is many Cobham grads back then were just not good enough for that team, Conor is clearly good enough for this one! He wants to stay, our manager wants him and then the board sells him, what even is the point of any of it?

I always think that they were brought through back then with the main idea of playing for the club and becoming one of 'our' names, now I think they are brought through with the idea to sell on when ripe enough. That is clearly a non-football business model all about making the dough!

18 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

You realize Enzo has covered the most ground out of any player in the Premier League, right?

And yet Conor manages far more defensive actions than Enzo.

It's great Enzo covers a lot of ground, but focusing on just that one stat is a bit misleading if you ask me. Conor makes more tackles, more interceptions, has comparable passing stats, and at the other end of the field has more "Goal Creating Actions" per 90.

This isn't me trying to sh*t on Enzo either, I think he's brilliant and look forward to him maturing into a truly world class midfielder. I just wont abide the dismissive attitude so many seem to have towards Gallagher, who for my money has been our best midfielder this season by a distance.

31 minutes ago, cfr95 said:

And yet Conor manages far more defensive actions than Enzo.

It's great Enzo covers a lot of ground, but focusing on just that one stat is a bit misleading if you ask me. Conor makes more tackles, more interceptions, has comparable passing stats, and at the other end of the field has more "Goal Creating Actions" per 90.

This isn't me trying to sh*t on Enzo either, I think he's brilliant and look forward to him maturing into a truly world class midfielder. I just wont abide the dismissive attitude so many seem to have towards Gallagher, who for my money has been our best midfielder this season by a distance.

If Gallaghers been our best midfielder this season, it's no wonder we're in 10th place. 

2 minutes ago, cfr95 said:

And yet Conor manages far more defensive actions than Enzo.

It's great Enzo covers a lot of ground, but focusing on just that one stat is a bit misleading if you ask me. Conor makes more tackles, more interceptions, has comparable passing stats, and at the other end of the field has more "Goal Creating Actions" per 90.

This isn't me trying to sh*t on Enzo either, I think he's brilliant and look forward to him maturing into a truly world class midfielder. I just wont abide the dismissive attitude so many seem to have towards Gallagher, who for my money has been our best midfielder this season by a distance.

It isn't great Enzo covers the most ground. I think its a testament to how poorly our midfield is functioning when our most technical central midfielder is seeing the ball less and is running the most. 

Poch is fundamentally playing a system where only Gallagher really benefits. 

As much as I now want him to stay I doubt very much he’ll be at Chelsea next season.

Unless we’re bringing in an expensive striker in January it would be madness to sell him in January.

 

13 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

It isn't great Enzo covers the most ground. I think its a testament to how poorly our midfield is functioning when our most technical central midfielder is seeing the ball less and is running the most. 

Poch is fundamentally playing a system where only Gallagher really benefits. 

It's a pretty bog standard 4231, I'm not really sure what system you'd want us to play considering the injuries / allowances that need to be made with our squad at present.

1 minute ago, cfr95 said:

It's a pretty bog standard 4231, I'm not really sure what system you'd want us to play considering the injuries / allowances that need to be made with our squad at present.

There's been a miss use of several players. It's something I'd like to see improved this second half of the season. 

Gallagher/Enzo switching roles for example is something I want evaporated completely. 

Selling our best most consistent player in January seems a bit weird. Hard to see that happening. Pochettino wants him to stay. If the club needs to sell him for money I am more worried about our finances than anything else. 

Him, Gusto and Palmer are the small bright spots to our first half of the season. 

44 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

There's been a miss use of several players. It's something I'd like to see improved this second half of the season. 

Gallagher/Enzo switching roles for example is something I want evaporated completely. 

I dont disagree that Enzo in the 10 hasn't really worked, but I don't think that's an example of him "fundamentally playing a system where only Gallagher really benefits". I think it's more a sign that he trusts CG more to do the necessary defensive work asked of him in the pivot.

And I disagree with the notion that it's a bad thing Enzo is running a lot, during the world cup he was absolutely everywhere for Argentina. He does that well. His passing range is really strong, but playing him as a quarterback who sits in the middle of the park and pings passes would only really be maximising one of his talents. Not to mention I'm not sure PL football allows for that kind of luxury player (or playstyle might be a better descriptor?) in such an important position.


Not to derail things too much, as I know this is a thread about Gallagher, not Poch, but I just want to ask what other players are being misused in your opinion? And, further to that, whether you think those players would be misused if we had a fully fit squad? Because personally I look at things like Colwill/Disasi at fullback and accept it is a necessary evil in the wake of our many injuries and the lack of aerial presence elsewhere in the side.

39 minutes ago, cfr95 said:

I dont disagree that Enzo in the 10 hasn't really worked, but I don't think that's an example of him "fundamentally playing a system where only Gallagher really benefits". I think it's more a sign that he trusts CG more to do the necessary defensive work asked of him in the pivot.

And I disagree with the notion that it's a bad thing Enzo is running a lot, during the world cup he was absolutely everywhere for Argentina. He does that well. His passing range is really strong, but playing him as a quarterback who sits in the middle of the park and pings passes would only really be maximising one of his talents. Not to mention I'm not sure PL football allows for that kind of luxury player (or playstyle might be a better descriptor?) in such an important position.


Not to derail things too much, as I know this is a thread about Gallagher, not Poch, but I just want to ask what other players are being misused in your opinion? And, further to that, whether you think those players would be misused if we had a fully fit squad? Because personally I look at things like Colwill/Disasi at fullback and accept it is a necessary evil in the wake of our many injuries and the lack of aerial presence elsewhere in the side.

He trusts Gallagher to be given this free role to compensate for Caicedo and Enzo. Just typing that out screams all kind of wrong in my opinion. 

Players like Gallagher and Mount are certain managers' wet dream when it comes to dedication to tactical instructions.  Gallagher's interceptions/chance creation came at a result of pressing and winning the ball back in the opposition half. He's fantastic at it. That being said, for a box-to-box midfielder/attacking mid I'd have hoped to see more progressive stats vs the defensive ones we are only seeing, especially in a possession built side. He certainly doesn't pass the eye test as well with the ball. The likes of B.Silva, Odegaard, Maddison, and Paqueta, aren't being praised for their defensive work.

Regarding Enzo, he was everywhere for Argentina but he was also involved, spearheading the midfield. He had the most touches, most progressive passes, and won the most tackles out of any outfield player. He quite literally elevated Argentina and we saw how good he was when he did the same with us.  So when I see Gallagher orchestrating our midfield and getting more touches than him against low blocks like Everton, I'm going to criticize. When I see Enzo covering the most distance out of any Chelsea player and among the most in the league, whilst seeing less of the ball, I'm going to criticize. 

As far as players being misused, there's Chilwell at LW at the start of the start of the season. Nkunku at ST both in preseason and last weekend. Enzo at CAM. Caicedo as a lone #6 in what appears to be a disjointed 4231. I'm not completely denying injuries played a part, hence why I said I'd like to see an improvement this second half of the season. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

You realize Enzo has covered the most ground out of any player in the Premier League, right?

Ok, i still don't think we sell him to the sh*te that is spurs, because a player we paid over £100m for, covers more ground.

2 minutes ago, Kev56 said:

Ok, i still don't think we sell him to the sh*te that is spurs, because a player we paid over £100m for, covers more ground.

No one said that. 

36 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

No one said that. 

OK then.

7 hours ago, Kev56 said:

Really ffs the only player that gives a sh*t, gives 100%, runs his f**king nuts off. Tell me a better buy in the £1,000,000,000 we’ve spent who gives close to that, and you’d sell him for 50m to f**king spurs. Un f**king believable. 

Going to have to agree to disagree on this one. He does run his nuts off but I personally don’t think he is any where close to the level needed. 
 

Ornstein reporting that the board might listen to offers if a bid of 60mil is made. 

Considering the amount of we spent on the Midfielders, 60M for Gallagher is peanuts. If Spurs somehow meets or get close to the demand, the owners will sell. The real concern is what they will do once they sell, most likely another 2-3 wonder kids to play the same position.

18 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Considering the amount of we spent on the Midfielders, 60M for Gallagher is peanuts. If Spurs somehow meets or get close to the demand, the owners will sell. The real concern is what they will do once they sell, most likely another 2-3 wonder kids to play the same position.

Probably just recall Andrey Santos from Forest. 

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Probably just recall Andrey Santos from Forest. 

Lesly can barely get a game and he already has 2 full seasons of top flight football under his belt. 

Santos will likely be sent to the Championship. I see Palace are interested but I doubt the club will make the same mistake. Will rot on the bench there too. 

Edited January 3, 20242 yr by Sconnie Blue

8 hours ago, cfr95 said:

I dont disagree that Enzo in the 10 hasn't really worked, but I don't think that's an example of him "fundamentally playing a system where only Gallagher really benefits". I think it's more a sign that he trusts CG more to do the necessary defensive work asked of him in the pivot.

And I disagree with the notion that it's a bad thing Enzo is running a lot, during the world cup he was absolutely everywhere for Argentina. He does that well. His passing range is really strong, but playing him as a quarterback who sits in the middle of the park and pings passes would only really be maximising one of his talents. Not to mention I'm not sure PL football allows for that kind of luxury player (or playstyle might be a better descriptor?) in such an important position.


Not to derail things too much, as I know this is a thread about Gallagher, not Poch, but I just want to ask what other players are being misused in your opinion? And, further to that, whether you think those players would be misused if we had a fully fit squad? Because personally I look at things like Colwill/Disasi at fullback and accept it is a necessary evil in the wake of our many injuries and the lack of aerial presence elsewhere in the side.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2862210/Cesc-Fabregas-covered-ground-Premier-League-season-Chelsea-ace-player-surpass-100-mile-mark.html

It just means you are playing midfielder and you move around. 

There is an easy way to make Enzo run less. Play him higher more like a 10. 🤭🤭🤭